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Solid move. Though Brown isn't exactly a spring chicken (he's 29), that gives us a few years with a solid LT (assuming he's back from his scary injury).

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Good deal as long as he's healthy.

This move immediately turns our boys into a legit NFL O-line. Not the best in the NFL, but no longer a weakness (obvious caveat being the assumption that Brown can play at least 14 games this season). As important as anything else, our depth looks soooo much better after sliding Hicks, Williams and Heyer down one level in the chart.

A so/so move. On the one hand, Brown is a former pro bowler. On the other hand, he is disgruntled (having essentially done what some people on here criticized Rocky for doing) and is coming off a hernia injury that cost him all of 2009. I also question a player's desire to win when he forces a trade from a Super Bowl winning team that has a chance to repeat.

CanesSkins26 wrote:A so/so move. On the one hand, Brown is a former pro bowler. On the other hand, he is disgruntled (having essentially done what some people on here criticized Rocky for doing) and is coming off a hernia injury that cost him all of 2009. I also question a player's desire to win when he forces a trade from a Super Bowl winning team that has a chance to repeat.

Get your point, but remember, it was questionable whether or not he was going to start in NO. Though I think most players would take starter on a good team over starter on a 4-12 team...most players would also take starter on a 4-12 team over sub for a good team (esp. on o-line, where subs play only in case of injuries). In addition, the Saints were unwilling to sign him to a long term contract...whereas the Skins are interested in doing so.

Can't blame him for taking playing time and a long term contract over just staying with a better team, really.

So...

We got a tackle that made the probowl 2/3 of the last seasons he's played. He was able to sit all last year and heal, he's fresh. He's 29. We'll get prolly 4-5 years out of him... Now we have an added layer of depth and an ability to switch him to LT if Trent isn't doing well.

For a 3rd or 4th round pick... What's there to complain about?

PulpExposure wrote:Can't blame him for taking playing time and a long term contract over just staying with a better team, really.

I agree, how can you fault a probowl tackle for not wanting to ride the bench at the height of his career (injury aside)? He made the PB 2 out of the last 3 years he played.

Great move by the FO — lots of potential here. It always hurts to give a draft pick away, but sometimes you have to when there are so many holes to fill. In the long-term I don't think that's going to be the Allen-Shanahan strategy.

His ability, age, etc., all check out. The only lingering question is health.

I'm not so optimistic to say that this move makes our offensive line a strength or that it's no longer a weakness. But it does alleviate a lot of the lingering concern. I think we are in position to (1) not get embarrassed by o-line play this year and (2) turn this o-line into a solid unit after another offseason.

CanesSkins26 wrote:A so/so move. On the one hand, Brown is a former pro bowler. On the other hand, he is disgruntled (having essentially done what some people on here criticized Rocky for doing) and is coming off a hernia injury that cost him all of 2009. I also question a player's desire to win when he forces a trade from a Super Bowl winning team that has a chance to repeat.

Haslett has some history with him.....Brown should/will stand down and be a good soldier.

What else can the Skins do? They get no-names, it's an issue.

They get camp fodder that they're familiar with, it's an issue.

They pick up guys that showed promise in previous camps, it's an issue.

They get a 2 time probowler out of 3 years, it's an issue. LOL

I keep saying it, the only solution is a time machine.

Irn-Bru wrote:
His ability, age, etc., all check out. The only lingering question is health.

I think his health will not be a issue and he is durable ( missed 6 games in his first four years.... played 13-15-15and 15) not counting last year.

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not so optimistic to say that this move makes our offensive line a strength or that it's no longer a weakness.

It may not be a strength yet but it is no longer a weakness

Irn-Bru wrote:But it does alleviate a lot of the lingering concern. I think we are in position to (1) not get embarrassed by o-line play this year and (2) turn this o-line into a solid unit after another offseason.

The line looks good at this time of year every year then someone gets hurt and everyone else gets shifted around to positions that they have never played before.

This year the starters look like a group that can get the job done, Casey is the only guy left from the 2008 starting group and most of the guys from that unit won't even be backups this time around.

Trent Williams at left tackle is a project but Brown made the All Pro first team at right tackle his rookie season but made the Pro Bowl at left tackel which means, it will be easy for the two to switch positions if Williams isn't ready. Artis Hicks will move to right guard (where he is better suited) and BMW will backup both spots on the right side.

Can't blame him for taking playing time and a long term contract over just staying with a better team, really.

True, I just hope that we don't sign him to a long-term deal until after he plays the season healthy.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:So...

We got a tackle that made the probowl 2/3 of the last seasons he's played. He was able to sit all last year and heal, he's fresh. He's 29. We'll get prolly 4-5 years out of him... Now we have an added layer of depth and an ability to switch him to LT if Trent isn't doing well.

For a 3rd or 4th round pick... What's there to complain about?

It will depend on the type of season he has. If he just has a normal season, the trade will have been worth it. If he is out of the line-up due to injury, it will have been a bad trade.

I love this move. The o-line just looks so much more solid now. It's only on paper at this stage, of course, but a decent o-line is the first step back to respectability on the field for this team.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/qa-with-jammal-brown.html

Q&A with our newest OT.

Question: What about this situation seems ideal for you?
Brown: "I just think coming here, playing for Coach [Mike] Shanahan -- I watched him in Denver -- I like the scheme of offense that he runs. The zones, things like that. I'm gonna come in; they want me to play right tackle.I still think I'm a left tackle, but I'm going to do what they want me to do. I know they got my college teammate Trent [Williams] on the left side. We'll see how that all plays out. But I'm going to play wherever they want me to play. I'm just excited to be here and to be a part of a first-class program."

That to me says they've discussed with him the possibility of swapping them if Trent struggles. Which any sane person would have done because it's a real possibility.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Can't blame him for taking playing time and a long term contract over just staying with a better team, really.

True, I just hope that we don't sign him to a long-term deal until after he plays the season healthy.

Great plan. Let him play a healthy year here under a one year deal so we have to get into a bidding war at the end of the season.

The guy has proven he can play, and he's young. To top it off, we've already committed a third or a fourth round pick for him. If the doctors evaluate and believe he's recovered from his sports hernia, you absolutely sign him to a long term deal. In fact, you don't even make this deal to begin with unless you believe you can sign him to such a deal.

btw I like this move alot. Anything to make the o-line better is a good move in my book!

This was a good signing.

Basically we had the worst collection of offensive line "talent" last year. We now have a player that has actually been to the pro bowl before. So now what we have to hope for is that Jamal Brown will work hard for us.

He did not start in N.O. last year, he was injured the previous year and maybe they had two very good LT prospects making one expendable. One player in Jamal BRown was coming off injury previously making pro bowls, Saints drafted another tackle prospect who happened to thrive once Brown was injured. Jamal BRown was not happy with his current contract bam Saints win the SuperBowl. So Saints are fine with current roster, Brown was expendable and not happy with his contract. Here comes the Redskins.

This makes sense for us and the Saints. The Saints could easily get more for Brown. It is just that the Saints are coming off a SuperBowl win there roster is solid they have a LT in place, Brown wants a new contract, Saints dont want to give that contract, Redskins need a LT, we are willing to pay BRown and give Saints compensation.

I love this trade! Instantly upgrades our offensive line to at least average. If everything goes perfect, we have a solid offensive line. But regardless of rookies struggling, or everyone learning a new scheme, this line is 10 times better than last years...Aside from fat albert, this is about as good an offseason as a 4-12 team could possibly have =)

Very good move as long as the health checks out. I think that he's going to need his ego to check out but I'm sure that he's been checked since being considered to be a backup.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/qa-with-jammal-brown.html

Q&A with our newest OT.

Question: What about this situation seems ideal for you?
Brown: "I just think coming here, playing for Coach [Mike] Shanahan -- I watched him in Denver -- I like the scheme of offense that he runs. The zones, things like that. I'm gonna come in; they want me to play right tackle.I still think I'm a left tackle, but I'm going to do what they want me to do. I know they got my college teammate Trent [Williams] on the left side. We'll see how that all plays out. But I'm going to play wherever they want me to play. I'm just excited to be here and to be a part of a first-class program."

That to me says they've discussed with him the possibility of swapping them if Trent struggles. Which any sane person would have done because it's a real possibility.

Nice... but I can't help to remember that Fat Al also said that we "are a FIRST CLASS" program....... and now we wants to walk away...

Currently, I have confidence in our FO.

Scottskins wrote:I love this trade! Instantly upgrades our offensive line to at least average. If everything goes perfect, we have a solid offensive line. But regardless of rookies struggling, or everyone learning a new scheme, this line is 10 times better than last years...Aside from fat albert, this is about as good an offseason as a 4-12 team could possibly have =)

It's bad business to sign a player to an extended contract who hasn't played a down of football since 2008. It's time for us to actually have players EARN their paychecks before giving them large sums of money. Not to mention the fact that nobody knows what the CBA situation is going to be, and it makes no sense to invest in a longterm deal at this point. At least wait until the season to see how he does.

he missed one year because of injury. he was a probowler before that. we have the ability to have his salary NOT count against the cap and he has something to prove. with the state of our offensive line, I'd say it would be bad business NOT to sign this guy to a 4 or 5 year deal. if he comes back to form and we wait to sign him, it will cost us much more AND it will count against the cap...no brainer in my mind...

Scottskins wrote:he missed one year because of injury. he was a probowler before that. we have the ability to have his salary NOT count against the cap and he has something to prove. with the state of our offensive line, I'd say it would be bad business NOT to sign this guy to a 4 or 5 year deal. if he comes back to form and we wait to sign him, it will cost us much more AND it will count against the cap...no brainer in my mind...

Hernias are not like knee's and most other sports injuries. The surgery essentially fixes and even strengthens the problem area. I think this is a quality trade with a ton of upside.

Scottskins wrote:he missed one year because of injury. he was a probowler before that. we have the ability to have his salary NOT count against the cap and he has something to prove. with the state of our offensive line, I'd say it would be bad business NOT to sign this guy to a 4 or 5 year deal. if he comes back to form and we wait to sign him, it will cost us much more AND it will count against the cap...no brainer in my mind...

Too many times we've signed players to big deals that have performed somewhere else but done nothing here (i.e. Big Al). We should make Brown prove himself before we sign him long-term. Besides, you're going to have some awfully disgruntled defensive players (i.e. Rocky and Rogers) if we sign Brown long-term, and don't extend them.