Oh no, Haynesworth wants out!!

[Snout]

It is a good article that explains everything. He made it clear that he wanted to be in a 43 before he signed and said that's why he didn't go for other offers. I wish he didn't take the money but he did. He has been mislead.

I think you need to take everything in the article with a grain of salt. The article quotes his agent, and the agent is working toward his next payday.

Even if AH wanted to be in a 4-3, and even if he communicated this when he signed his contract, so what? Neither Snyder or Cerrato makes the decision what defense to use. How could they possibly mislead him? Did they know that they would hire Shanahan, and that Shanahan would hire a defensive coordinator who would install a 3-4? Of course not. Did they promise him that Washington would run a 4-3 as long as AH played in Washington? Is that in the contract? Of course not.

If AH wanted to be traded, he could have and should have shown some class. He could have showed up at the voluntary workouts while quietly requesting a trade behind the scenes. He could have acted in a way that could result in a win-win situation both for himself and for the Redskins. But no, the guy has no class, and now it looks like it will be a lose-lose for both.

I say let the guy rot on the bench. Thanks a lot for nothing, Fat Albert.

[davidon]

Sean Gilbert all over again. They have to keep him and wait for a key injury on another team to be able to get some kind of value for him.

[Skinsfan55]

Who, in all honesty will give up ANYTHING close to fair market value for this useless pile of crap anyway? Thanks a lot Fat Albert, refuse to work out with your team, slap the organization and your future hall of fame coach in the face, sit back and cash those checks.

Is there any way we could trade one problem for another? Maybe we could deal Haynesworth for Logan Mankins, either in a 3-way trade, or if the Pats wanted him to play DE.

Seriously though, what would the Vikes, Lions, Raiders or Titans ever give up for him?

[VetSkinsFan]

Where are all of the people who were saying Haynesworth is ok and the media created this story? What happened to all will be fine cause he'll show up for mandatory stuff??

At this point, the Skins have no choice but to try and trade him. Otherwise we are in for a long season.

I dont know what kind of value we can get for him now - but this guy is a huge pile of $h*t

We're still here, and at that point in time, it was all based on rumors and assumptions. I, as crazyhorse, know that I'm wrong. You want to fault me and people like me for being positive in a situation with a gray area, go ahead. I don't like assuming the worst every time about something that is supposed to give me joy. If there's something further to discuss on this situation, I don't think it can be done here; we've exhausted this venue.

[Chris Luva Luva]

What happened to all will be fine cause he'll show up for mandatory stuff??

He simply lied to us and the team. Can't fault us for taking the man for his word. We were wrong and don't have a problem admitting that.

That being said, both sides are at fault to an extent.

I can't blame Haynesworth for feeling like this isn't what he signed up for because it isn't. This isn't Bruce/Shanny's fault, moreso Snyders since he's all that's left of last year's circus.

I blame Haynesworth for not giving it a try and realizing this is a different regime and for not being a man of his word.

[The Hogster]

Sean Gilbert all over again. They have to keep him and wait for a key injury on another team to be able to get some kind of value for him.

If this turned out the way the Sean Gilbert fiasco did, that would be a huge win for the Skins. We got 2 first round picks for Gilbert. That simply will not happen for AH. He's making himself tougher to trade by being a jacka$$. If he weren't a moron he would realize that behaving the way he is and publicly demanding a trade will devalue him in the trade market.

If the Skins don't get a fair trade in that market, they are less likely to trade him. Thus, he will sit out and have to suffer the consequences. Unfortunately, he's shown himself to be a classless piece of $h*t and I don't think he really cares if he plays this year or not. If a team offers us a starting caliber player i.e (Jared Gaither, Jamaal Brown, Marcus McNeil, or Vincent Jackson) UNLIKELY, then we should pull the trigger.

Anything less than two second round picks is a rip off. And, he's more worth a first and third...but with his behavior that is a total long-shot.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Let's skip over the surface issues here, the root of the issue is this...

1.

Speck said Haynesworth's desire to leave Washington after only one season is rooted more in his belief that he was lied to from the beginning of his relationship with the team.

This is more or less true...

2. The other issue is what we paid him. It was Snyder/Vinny's decision to pay this dude what they paid him.


That being said, he's still acting like a chump. But IMHO those are the root issues here. Both which I doubt will happen again with Bruce/Shanny in charge, they're still dealing with the crap from the past.

[ATX_Skins]

If I were offered a job for a certain salary, then new management came in and told me my role would be changed.... I would deal with it.

Let's cut the crap, Haynesworth is being unreasonable. Because of this he will not give 100% on the field. We all know what he does then.

Trade him, cut our losses, learn from it.

These issues will continue to come into play with the salaries these players are making, it's almost unavoidable nowadays.

[Chris Luva Luva]

If I were offered a job for a certain salary, then new management came in and told me my role would be changed.... I would deal with it.

I believe you're in the minority sir. I know for a fact that if I had new management come in today and told me I'd be doing something different that is beneath my capabilities, I'd be looking for a new job. Why would I work somewhere that I'm not happy when I have options? C'mon now... Let's be real here.

Let's cut the crap, Haynesworth is being unreasonable.

This I can agree with. I don't think he's giving the new regime a fair shake. Totally agree.

Trade him, cut our losses, learn from it.

There's nothing to learn from because Bruce/Shanny wouldn't have done this. They're dealing with baggage.

These issues will continue to come into play with the salaries these players are making, it's almost unavoidable nowadays.

You have to be very judicious in who you reward that type of many to, I don't believe Bruce would have done this.

[WARHOG]

This guy is a joke!

The way I see it is that the Redskins had a decent defense with him, and without him. More sacks with less wins is not the thing for the "good" for this team.

I'm hoping they could get a young back like that guy Stewart in Carolina along with a draft pick and then maybe we can let go of some of these old heads in the backfield.
Even better maybe we can grab a 2nd round pick and another young lineman that has proven themselves to be a starter in this league.

I've taken Albert off my Madden team with the expectation that he would do just this.

Has anyone seen what type of condition he is in?

[Chris Luva Luva]

Haynesworth was stunned, team sources said, when Shanahan during a meeting in March told Haynesworth he did not want him to penetrate the backfield and did not expect him to pressure the quarterback or produce many sacks.

n fact, Shanahan told Haynesworth he would be displeased if Haynesworth had more than two sacks this season,

The more I read up on this... The more it seems that the new regime is being unreasonable too.

This is not a one sided affair of a player being a jerk.


For the sake of the team, I hope they can reach a resolution. Nothing good comes out of lashing out and being bitter. SMH. We're a better team with him. This is disappointing on both ends as to how this is apparently being handled.

[The Hogster]

Haynesworth was stunned, team sources said, when Shanahan during a meeting in March told Haynesworth he did not want him to penetrate the backfield and did not expect him to pressure the quarterback or produce many sacks.

n fact, Shanahan told Haynesworth he would be displeased if Haynesworth had more than two sacks this season,

The more I read up on this... The more it seems that the new regime is being unreasonable too.

This is not a one sided affair of a player being a jerk.


For the sake of the team, I hope they can reach a resolution. Nothing good comes out of lashing out and being bitter. SMH. We're a better team with him. This is disappointing on both ends as to how this is apparently being handled.

How are the Skins being unreasonable?? Shanahan said that during his year off, he studied hours upon hours of game film, and visited with many coaches across the league and even observed their practices. After that experience, he decided that if and when he went back into coaching, he would implement a 3-4 defense even though he had not used one before.

Was he supposed to throw away all of the knowledge that he gained that year just because Albert Haynesworth doesn't like that defense? Absolutely not - besides, Hayneworth himself said that the End in a 3-4 is basically the same as a DT in a 4-3. He hasn't even shown up to see how much he will be at End which is not a position change for him.

You would never hear Reggie White say anything like this.

I usually agree with you CLL, but please explain how this isn't a one-sided jerk move by AH.

[Chris Luva Luva]

How are the Skins being unreasonable??

You don't see anything unreasonable about the highlighted areas of my post?

Was he supposed to throw away all of the knowledge that he gained that year just because Albert Haynesworth doesn't like that defense?

Nope.

But does that sound like a happy median for both parties? It doesn't sound that way to me.

I understand he's made a ton of money..., but that's not the issue here. The issue is that he signed up for one thing and now that's gone. So what did we want him to do? Be flexible right?

Well, IF those quotes are true and his agent pretty much said that they are, then Mike is being JUST as unreasonable IMHO.

[The Hogster]

How are the Skins being unreasonable??

You don't see anything unreasonable about the highlighted areas of my post?

Was he supposed to throw away all of the knowledge that he gained that year just because Albert Haynesworth doesn't like that defense?

Nope.

But does that sound like a happy median for both parties? It doesn't sound that way to me.

I understand he's made a ton of money..., but that's not the issue here. The issue is that he signed up for one thing and now that's gone. So what did we want him to do? Be flexible right?

Well, IF those quotes are true and his agent pretty much said that they are, then Mike is being JUST as unreasonable IMHO.

The highlighted areas of your post are what we call in the law "hearsay" - but more importantly, the quote comes from Haynesworth and his agent. Do you believe that? Does that make any sense really? If Haslett has publicly stated that Albert would be used all over the line, why on God's green earth would the coaches not want him to be disruptive.

It doesn't make any sense. Haynesworth is talented and he would get his chances to make plays...this is his way of trying to mitigate the negative appearance of his ridiculous behavior. The truth of the matter is Haynesworth played in one defense for 7 years, and even then he didn't make a ton of sacks every year. Haynesworth is in his own way with his conditioning and committment. If he bought-in, he could dominate because he's that talented.

Richard Seymour is a prime example of how a Lineman in a 3-4 can make plays. Haynesworth doesn't know how dominant he could be because he hasn't even given it a chance.

[Chris Luva Luva]

The highlighted areas of your post are what we call in the law "hearsay" - but more importantly, the quote comes from Haynesworth. Do you believe that? Does that make any sense really? If Haslett has publicly stated that Albert would be used all over the line, why on God's green earth would the coaches not want him to be disruptive.

Jeez Louise dude, nobody is calling the guy a saint. Did you not see where I said "if" and "allegedly", and the quotes are coming from his agent.

IF the quotes are true, then both sides are being foolish. If they aren't, he's even more if a jerk.

If you guys wanna just burn the witch at the stake at the drop of a hate, fine, do so. I'd rather be a bit more cautious, there's always two sides of a story.

Richard Seymour is a prime example of how a Lineman in a 3-4 can make plays.

But he's not Richard and we're not the Patriots, nor are we running the same type of 3-4. That's a moot point.

[langleyparkjoe]

To every single post made in this thread.... OH WELL!

If he wants to go, bye!

If he wants to stay, get to work!

As for me, I STILL say 13-3!

I can care less who's at fault here; Shan/Bruce or Albert. It doesn't matter whatsoever. I personally feel if the coach says "Joe, your gonna be doing this from now on".. I'd be like "Aite coach, just teach me and I'll learn"... after practice is done I'll go to my Mercedes, sit down on that soft leather, put on the AC, tune the radio to 96.3 and listen to some Luther..close my eyes and think to myself "damn, it sux I have to learn this all over but wow, I have big money.. so lemme go buy another car just to remind myself of what I have"

.. but that's just me

[Chris Luva Luva]

I can care less who's at fault here; Shan/Bruce or Albert. It doesn't matter whatsoever. I personally feel if the coach says "Joe, your gonna be doing this from now on".. I'd be like "Aite coach, just teach me and I'll learn"... after practice is done I'll go to my Mercedes, sit down on that soft leather, put on the AC, tune the radio to 96.3 and listen to some Luther..close my eyes and think to myself "damn, it sux I have to learn this all over but wow, I have big money.. so lemme go buy another car just to remind myself of what I have"

I take issue with that train of thought, money is relative.

There's a homeless man somewhere in this world that would eat giraffe poop for the rest of his life for the money I make. Money is relative.

Haynesworth could make this money somewhere else and was actually offered more money by another team.

I don't know of any sensible adult that would put his aspirations/goals on the back burner for a company that they felt like wasn't using him properly.

I guarantee you if we got a new management team at my job and they changed my role, I'd be looking for a new job. That wasn't what I was hired to do, it doesn't fall in line with my career goals/path and I KNOW I could make this money somewhere else and prolly get more.

[Countertrey]

Let's skip over the surface issues here, the root of the issue is this...

1.

Speck said Haynesworth's desire to leave Washington after only one season is rooted more in his belief that he was lied to from the beginning of his relationship with the team.

This is more or less true...

Chris, if you have facts to back that up, why don't you put them on the table. You are relying on the word of Fat Al's agent... who is now in pure damage control mode, and is spinning as fast as he can.

How has he been lied to "from the beginning"? How is he being lied to NOW?

Where in his contract is he told that the Redskins Defensive scheme will be held hostage to Al's wishes?

[SkinsJock]

They reworked his contract this year because there is no cap...
Or
They saw this coming.

The $21M he got this off-season was converted into a signing bonus and his 2010 & 2011 base salaries were guaranteed. That allowed them to count the whole $21M this year, it also gave them the opportunity to insert voidable years in his deal (years AH can void). There is a clause in the new contract that states if Al wants out after this year he would have to pay back $16.8M of the $21M. Not sure how much he'd have to give up leaving a year early. At a minimum Hayneworth would have to find a team willing to give him $26M over the next two years to break even.

That same team will have to compensate the Redskins with players and or draft picks. A lot for a guy that hasn't been to a single NFL workout since last year.

To become a free agent Big Al would have to give up the $16M out of his own pocket and we know that ain't happening.

IF Haynesworth is a no-show for mini camp and training camp, I think they should make him sit the whole year.
Next year there will be a salary cap and the Redskins will have an extra $13.2M to play with.

IF Haynesworth and his agent continue to not be a part of getting ready to play for this franchise this year, then I hope he is not let go or in any way gets away with any of this BS - I understand that he may be disapointed in how he was apparently lied to but that has nothing to do with what this franchise is trying to do in order to become consistently competitive again

this is a very disapointing situation for both Haynesworth and the Redskins BUT I am very glad that we have Allen and Mike Shanahan in charge here and dealing with this - I am also VERY sure that Snyder will have made it clear to both of them that he will support whatever they have in mind

[Chris Luva Luva]

How has he been lied to "from the beginning"? How is he being lied to NOW?

Where in his contract is he told that the Redskins Defensive scheme will be held hostage to Al's wishes?

I could definitely be wrong here, so please correct me.

I doubt that it says anything in his contract... But I don't think it's too far fetched that when he was pursued by Danny/Vinny that he was made some promises that are now not being honored. I don't think it's far fectched that some of those promises weren't honored by our previous DC (who I'm not too sure wanted Al in the 1st place, and not that he should have been forced to honor them).

I believe that this marriage was between the previous FO and Al and left the coaches out of it... That's a recipe for disaster, hence our current situation.

I'm simply taking a stance that both sides are at fault to an extent and not just blaming it on one person.

How is he being lied to now? I don't think that he is but I don't think that he wants to be here, this isn't what he signed up for.

[GoSkins]

My intitial reaction was like most of yours...get rid of Big Al asap. But I'm thinking Big Al (sans agent) needs to meet face to face with Shanny and Allen. It is clear there has been no communication between the 2 sides and until there is this crisis will only get worse. After they have met and talked they can then determine what to do.

[aswas71788]

Not a good situation, but I still don't understand why the coaches want to use a guy like Haynsworth as a nose tackle.

So far, the only one I have heard say that is Haynesworth. What I have read is the Redskins will use him at DE.

[CanesSkins26]

Not a good situation, but I still don't understand why the coaches want to use a guy like Haynsworth as a nose tackle.

So far, the only one I have heard say that is Haynesworth. What I have read is the Redskins will use him at DE.

The two articles linked in this thread, both make mention of him being used as a NT, and it's not from quotes from Haynesworth.

[CanesSkins26]

Redskins teammates unhappy with Haynesworth
I received many phone calls and text messages from current and former Redskins players shortly after word emerged that Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth will not report to the mandatory two-day minicamp that begins today and wants to be traded.

Several of the players (they all declined to comment on the record) criticized Haynesworth, who does not want to play nose tackle or any position in a 3-4 defense, for his actions after receiving $32 million from the Redskins in the first 16 months of his contract. Not surprisingly, some of Haynesworth's teammates continued to express concern that the situation could become a season-long distraction.

One Redskins veteran starter reminded me that Haynesworth rarely seemed happy last season despite receiving $41 million guaranteed money -- then the highest total in NFL history. So if the Redskins decline to trade Haynesworth and hold firm on their plan to have him play at a position he doesn't want to play, it's doubtful his mood would improve, the player said.

So what do the Redskins do about their Haynesworth problem?

For starters, I expect Coach Mike Shanahan to accentuate the positive while addressing the media today after practice at Redskins Park. He'll probably talk about preferring to focus on all the hard-working players who are in attendance.

That was Shanahan's approach while Haynesworth's skipped all but one day of the team's voluntary 47-day offseason workout program. Reporters, for the most part, cooperated, asking only a few questions about Haynesworth during minicamps and organized team activities.

But that was before Haynesworth, through agent Chad Speck, made it known he wants out because he no longer trusts the Redskins.

As for General Manager Bruce Allen, he could attempt to take disciplinary action against Haynesworth for skipping a mandatory team event, which Washington is able to do under the terms of the league's collective bargaining agreement. But teams generally are only permitted to fine players about $10,000 for skipping a mandatory minicamp, according to two people familiar with the situation. Of course, the Redskins might attempt to take more money from Haynesworth, but the NFL players union would get involved if Allen tries to break new ground with the eight-year veteran.

Haynesworth arguably is the most talented player on the roster and Shanahan would prefer to try to make things work with him, league and team sources say. No team has offered the Redskins what they want in exchange for the two-time all-pro, so Haynesworth might be on the roster when training camp opens in late July.

The Redskins could fine Haynesworth about $14,000 a day if he misses training camp. Haynesworth and Speck have not addressed their plans for training camp.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/redskins-teammates-unhappy-wit.html#more

[riggofan]

I've been giving Albert the benefit of the doubt this offseason and trying not to get distracted by the media hype. But what a massive d-bag.

I can understand his argument that he would never have come to the Redskins for this situation regardless of the money. This apparantly didn't prevent him from taking a $20 million check from the Redskins this offseason.

I don't care if the Skins get rid of him or not, but I hope they take a stand and refuse a trade unless he returns some of that cash.