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tribeofjudah wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Jake wrote:They restructured Al and DeAngelo's deals a few weeks ago so that they can pay back a large portion of their 2011 salary if they want to get out of their contracts NEXT year.

And they just paid Al a roster bonus of $21 million last week, I believe, so I don't know why they would wait to move him until after that check gets paid.

He becomes much easier to trade. Nobody would have gone after him knowing that they'd have to pay him $21 million as soon as they signed him. Danny will just eat that cost in the uncapped year, so it doesn't necessarily hurt the Skins to get rid of him just after paying it, either.

So what did Fat Al do for US during his ONE year contract? Absolutely NOTHING.... what a waste of humanity....!!!

Let's see. Carter had his best season as a Skin, our team sack totals more than doubled from the previous season without him, and no one ran up the middle on us when he was in. Yep, you're right, he added nothing.

Really.... we were 8/8 in 2008 and 4/12 in 2009.... Fat Al helped up win more games....NOT.

Countertrey wrote:

fleetus wrote:http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34654&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45

fleetus wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Jesus, the man's taking it in to his own hands to get a trainer to give him 1vs1 attention. The same guy who got him to his peak performance. How is this an issue. As WaPo was quoted, the team is not upset (which probably includes Shanahan it's safe to assume). If you don't like the dude, that's fine, but don't attempt (poorly) to twist details to your agenda.

... Shanahan stated day one that he wanted 100% participation. Has Shanahan retracted that? Do you think he is fine with no shows by the highest paid player on the team in the very first series of workouts? Keep drinking that kool-aid.

It may all workout in the end, there is always that possibility. I hope so because Haynesworth is the most talented player on the team and could be the difference between a solid defense and a nasty, dominant defense. But there is no disguising the reality of the situation and it ain't a good sign for things to come when your highest paid player puts more priority on his personal trainer than his new Head Coach.

Hey, if I'm wrong, come back here in September and say so.

Is it too early to say, "I told you so"? It just isn't a good idea to introduce yourself to a brand new Vice President of Football/Head Coach and GM by saying give me my 21m bonus. Oh by the way, I won't be playing any NT, and oh by the way, I may not work out with the team. Just sayin'

The message from Shanahan is pretty clear... "Mr Haynesworth... I am running this team. Paying attention, Mr Landry?"

Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.

The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.

Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.

PulpExposure wrote:Skins actively trying to trade Haynesworth still.

Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.

The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.

Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.

I really, really dislike this. I get that Shanahan wants to lay down the law and be the man, but this guy is our best defensive player. You trade him, and now you're looking at spending that draft pick you get back drafting someone to play NT/DE in that 3-4. Who won't be as good as Haynesworth.

Seriously, the guy is working out on his own. He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary. This is a little too much control freak coach for me.

At three years and $16 million, Haynesworth contract is now very tradeable
Posted by Mike Florio on April 6, 2010 11:03 PM ET
With the Redskins paying defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth a $21 million bonus last week, we're told that the practical length and value of his contract is three years, $16 million, with $9 million guaranteed.

As a league source opined, "Every team in the NFL would have interest in that."

The question is whether and to what extent the Redskins would want reimbursement of the money paid last week. And that question depends on whether the Redskins prefer cash or draft picks -- and whether the teams that want him are willing to give up cash or draft picks.

In our view, coach Mike Shanahan likely would prefer to stockpile picks.

We've confirmed that the Redskins definitely attempted to trade Haynesworth before the $21 million payment came due. Others have reported that the efforts continue, with the Titans and Rams the teams most frequently mentioned. Now that the financial package has been reduced to a ridiculously affordable $16 million over three years, someone will bite if the price is right.

PulpExposure wrote:Skins actively trying to trade Haynesworth still.

Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.

The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.

Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.

I really, really dislike this. I get that Shanahan wants to lay down the law and be the man, but this guy is our best defensive player. You trade him, and now you're looking at spending that draft pick you get back drafting someone to play NT/DE in that 3-4. Who won't be as good as Haynesworth.

Seriously, the guy is working out on his own. He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary. This is a little too much control freak coach for me.

Albert Haynesworth a goner with Redskins?
April, 6, 2010

By Matt Mosley
The remarkable subplot to the Donovan McNabb trade is that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is apparently still trying to move defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. We already knew the Redskins initially gauged the Eagles' interest in Haynesworth before completing the blockbuster trade Sunday.

But since the Redskins wrote a $21 million roster bonus check to Haynesworth on Thursday, it seemed unlikely that he'd remain on the market. Now, the Washington Post is reporting that Shanahan is continuing to shop Haynesworth this week. The Skins have already paid Haynesworth $32 million of the $41 million he's owed in guaranteed money. Can you imagine how owner Dan Snyder feels about paying that type of money to a player his new coach is actively trying to move?

Haynesworth has gotten off on the wrong foot with Shanahan by choosing not to participate in the club's offseason conditioning program. And I'm sure his complaints about having to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme aren't helping the situation. We knew that Shanahan would swing a big stick in this organization, but I didn't know it would be this big.

The Post's Jason Reid points to the Lions, Bucs, Jaguars and Titans as potential trading partners. No matter what you think of Haynesworth, you have to admit that he's one of the most dominant defensive players in the game. He didn't have a great season with the Redskins in '09, but I thought that had more to do with the dysfunction in the locker room.

To be willing to trade someone the organization has committed so much money to speaks to the level of frustration Shanahan must have with Haynesworth. If Shanahan and Bruce Allen pull the trigger on a Haynesworth trade, they'd be sending the message that no player is bigger than the team. And it would be one of the most expensive lessons in league history.

So what would it take to land perhaps the best defensive tackle in the league? I think a team such as the Titans could potentially get it done for a second- and fourth-round pick. That's how much Shanahan wants to get rid of Haynesworth. Pretty amazing stuff.

We'll keep you posted on any developments.

frankcal20 wrote:

Albert Haynesworth a goner with Redskins?
April, 6, 2010

By Matt Mosley
The remarkable subplot to the Donovan McNabb trade is that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is apparently still trying to move defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. We already knew the Redskins initially gauged the Eagles' interest in Haynesworth before completing the blockbuster trade Sunday.

But since the Redskins wrote a $21 million roster bonus check to Haynesworth on Thursday, it seemed unlikely that he'd remain on the market. Now, the Washington Post is reporting that Shanahan is continuing to shop Haynesworth this week. The Skins have already paid Haynesworth $32 million of the $41 million he's owed in guaranteed money. Can you imagine how owner Dan Snyder feels about paying that type of money to a player his new coach is actively trying to move?

Haynesworth has gotten off on the wrong foot with Shanahan by choosing not to participate in the club's offseason conditioning program. And I'm sure his complaints about having to play nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme aren't helping the situation. We knew that Shanahan would swing a big stick in this organization, but I didn't know it would be this big.

The Post's Jason Reid points to the Lions, Bucs, Jaguars and Titans as potential trading partners. No matter what you think of Haynesworth, you have to admit that he's one of the most dominant defensive players in the game. He didn't have a great season with the Redskins in '09, but I thought that had more to do with the dysfunction in the locker room.

To be willing to trade someone the organization has committed so much money to speaks to the level of frustration Shanahan must have with Haynesworth. If Shanahan and Bruce Allen pull the trigger on a Haynesworth trade, they'd be sending the message that no player is bigger than the team. And it would be one of the most expensive lessons in league history.

So what would it take to land perhaps the best defensive tackle in the league? I think a team such as the Titans could potentially get it done for a second- and fourth-round pick. That's how much Shanahan wants to get rid of Haynesworth. Pretty amazing stuff.

We'll keep you posted on any developments.

I'd take a 2nd and forth maybe over a 1st - only b/c that's two players to fill the many needs we have. Looking at the trade value chart, it looks like if you pile the two picks together, it would equal the #26 pick. Who wouldn't take that.

fleetus wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Skins actively trying to trade Haynesworth still.

Coach Mike Shanahan has instructed General Manager Bruce Allen to identify potential destinations for Haynesworth, whom the Redskins paid a $21 million bonus April 1, and the Redskins have talked with multiple teams about the eight-year veteran. Through team spokesman Zack Bolno, the Redskins declined to comment.

The Detroit Lions, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Jacksonville Jaguars and Tennessee Titans -- whom Haynesworth left to join the Redskins before the 2009 season for $41 million in guaranteed money -- are among the teams that could be interested in acquiring the two-time all-pro selection. Haynesworth prospered in Tennessee under the tutelage of Titans defensive line coach Jim Washburn.

Though it is possible Haynesworth could remain with the team if a suitable deal can't be ironed out, the Redskins would prefer to move him before their first voluntary three-day minicamp that runs from April 16-18, said the people familiar with the team's plans. Haynesworth's potential presence during the minicamp, at which media members are permitted to attempt to conduct interviews with all players, could present an uncomfortable situation for the Redskins.

I really, really dislike this. I get that Shanahan wants to lay down the law and be the man, but this guy is our best defensive player. You trade him, and now you're looking at spending that draft pick you get back drafting someone to play NT/DE in that 3-4. Who won't be as good as Haynesworth.

Seriously, the guy is working out on his own. He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary. This is a little too much control freak coach for me.

When someone pays you tens of millions in salary, more money than anyone else at your company, you better be first in line to "volunteer". Haynesworth wasn't gonna play much NT any way, doesn't suit him just so.

I'd rather have Haynesworth. A lot of people are severely underestimating his ability.

chiefhog44 wrote:[-o<
oh please trade this guy just to solidify to many that Shannahan and Allen are in charge.

PulpExposure wrote:He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary.

Countertrey wrote:canes said:

I'd rather have Haynesworth. A lot of people are severely underestimating his ability.

Nobody is "underestimating his ability". They are simply not overestimating his motivation... nor his attitude...

We have no idea what may have been said behind closed doors when Haynesworth and coach sat and talked.

Shanahan is not one to cut off his nose to spite his face... and he has a history of giving second chances to individuals with significant character issues. Doesn't that cause you to wonder "what, then, would cause him to take such a hard line with Haynesworth????"

Irn-Bru wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:He's not participating in voluntary workouts...well so what? They're voluntary.

In this day and age, they aren't.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:canes said:

I'd rather have Haynesworth. A lot of people are severely underestimating his ability.

Nobody is "underestimating his ability". They are simply not overestimating his motivation... nor his attitude...

We have no idea what may have been said behind closed doors when Haynesworth and coach sat and talked.

Shanahan is not one to cut off his nose to spite his face... and he has a history of giving second chances to individuals with significant character issues. Doesn't that cause you to wonder "what, then, would cause him to take such a hard line with Haynesworth????"

Shanahan also has a history of making very poor player personnel choices on the defensive side of the ball. I honestly don't care what Haynesworth said behind closed doors. He is still our best defensive player. The entire idea of him playing NT is absurd and I hope that he told the coaches that.