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VetSkinsFan wrote:

BnGhog wrote:AH is under contract, I don't see how he can do much more than just throw a fit.

Unless, he becomes one of those, who try to thow a fit till he gets traded, i don't see him doing that.

I like the 3-4. Carter is too small for DE in 3-4.

But the guys we have, will work in a rotation. We will alternate people between rushing and passing downs.

I don't know much about Haslet, but in searching, it look like his D when he was the d coach for the steelers, was pretty good. His d coaching, is what got him a shot at being a head coach. Atleast, thats how it appears.

He's run both, so why can't we have elements of both?

Interestingly, he only ran a 3-4 in Pittsburgh...which has been running a 3-4 forever. In NO and STL, when he was the HC, he ran a 4-3.

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

BnGhog wrote:AH is under contract, I don't see how he can do much more than just throw a fit.

Unless, he becomes one of those, who try to thow a fit till he gets traded, i don't see him doing that.

I like the 3-4. Carter is too small for DE in 3-4.

But the guys we have, will work in a rotation. We will alternate people between rushing and passing downs.

I don't know much about Haslet, but in searching, it look like his D when he was the d coach for the steelers, was pretty good. His d coaching, is what got him a shot at being a head coach. Atleast, thats how it appears.

He's run both, so why can't we have elements of both?

Interestingly, he only ran a 3-4 in Pittsburgh...which has been running a 3-4 forever. In NO and STL, when he was the HC, he ran a 4-3.

That's what I was referencing. He's run both (not necessarily at the same camp). I like the idea of a hybrid 3-4/4-3 defense.

i think it could be potentially nasty if they get a nosetackle and let haynesworth and griff or golston play ends. it does concern me that carter failed in the 3-4 once but would be with a better group here. it will be key to keep guards off london and rocky

i think it could be potentially nasty if they get a nosetackle and let haynesworth and griff or golston play ends. it does concern me that carter failed in the 3-4 once but would be with a better group here. it will be key to keep guards off london and rocky

brad7686 wrote:i think it could be potentially nasty if they get a nosetackle and let haynesworth and griff or golston play ends. it does concern me that carter failed in the 3-4 once but would be with a better group here. it will be key to keep guards off london and rocky

We can rotate Carter in as a pass rushing OLB kinda like PIT does with Woodley and Harrison. We also have Wilson and Jackson to work in for OLBs and I think regardless of hand down or up, Orakpo rushing the QB moajority of the time is a good thing. Rocky and Fletch in the middle, but look for a good coverage LB to rotate in for whomever's not blitzing or for Rocky in coverage. It could work if we get a good DB coach who can get these guys to pop...

brad7686 wrote:i think it could be potentially nasty if they get a nosetackle and let haynesworth and griff or golston play ends. it does concern me that carter failed in the 3-4 once but would be with a better group here. it will be key to keep guards off london and rocky

Under that scenario haynewsowrth's main job is to take up blockers, which is a huge waste of his talent.

Fact is if we change the defense to a 3-4 we'll need another LB, how about McClain out of Alabama. He's probably a reach at 4 but if we trade back to 13 he might be there.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Fact is if we change the defense to a 3-4 we'll need another LB, how about McClain out of Alabama. He's probably a reach at 4 but if we trade back to 13 he might be there.

Ugh! No more defensive first rounders. We need o-linemen and pleanty of 'em.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:i think it could be potentially nasty if they get a nosetackle and let haynesworth and griff or golston play ends. it does concern me that carter failed in the 3-4 once but would be with a better group here. it will be key to keep guards off london and rocky

Under that scenario haynewsowrth's main job is to take up blockers, which is a huge waste of his talent.

it would be even more like that at nose the 3-4 is not meant to have linemen rush but it is easier at end than nose

CanesSkins26 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:i think it could be potentially nasty if they get a nosetackle and let haynesworth and griff or golston play ends. it does concern me that carter failed in the 3-4 once but would be with a better group here. it will be key to keep guards off london and rocky

Under that scenario haynewsowrth's main job is to take up blockers, which is a huge waste of his talent.

From what I understand, listening to various input today, Haynesworth might in fact be able to play end in the 3-4 because the job of the ends is to mainly take on blockers - that being said, the coaches decide what they think is in the best interests of the team and then coach the players to execute - it's not up to the players to do anything but learn from the coaches and do what the coaches want them to do

we have seen recently many examples of players both not learning from the coaches AND not executing the game plan in a way that makes the other players around him better able to do their jobs too

Whatever defense we have here the players will be prepared for and they will be buying into it or they will not be on the field

I think Cgriff could take up the nose spot while we look for someone in the draft. I think it will take at least a season to build a 3/4 that can dominate since most of our guys are 4/3 guys. AH should be at the end, line him up on the same side as Rak, then set them loose. I think RockyMac will be perfect at LB on either postion, he has good speed for a big body. I'm wondering where Fletch fits in all this though.

Man, I don't know what to think about this. In three years with the Steelers they were 11th, 7th, and 12th in points allowed. I hope that he is a great addition.

I'm wondering where Fletch fits in all this though.

I've already seen "experts" voicing the opinion that he's too small to play the middle in a 3-4.

I'm wondering how many of them were also saying that he was too small to play the middle in a 4-3?

All they are going to do is give him another reason to turn up the heat.

There's nothing like a motivated London Fletcher!

Countertrey wrote:

I'm wondering where Fletch fits in all this though.

I've already seen "experts" voicing the opinion that he's too small to play the middle in a 3-4.

I'm wondering how many of them were also saying that he was too small to play the middle in a 4-3?

All they are going to do is give him another reason to turn up the heat.

There's nothing like a motivated London Fletcher!

Am I the only one who remembered a London Fletcher clone (Sam Mills) manning the middle of perhaps the best 3-4 LB set in history, the Saints' Dome Patrol?

This is begining to have a Gibbs/Williams feel...with all the big name coaches coming in....I'm thinking DS has Mike Martz on speed dial just in case....

DEHog wrote:...with all the big name coaches coming in..

DUDE! that's crazy, i thought that when i first heard bout haslett in the car.. allen, shananananahan, and now haslett. if you throw bobby april in there you'd have a decent squad of coaches

but yea, i'm wit Vet..and i really can't wait to see orakpo jumpin around switching up btwn 3-4/4-3.. he'll cause havoc. I also like the way some defenses don't even get in there stance and make the offenses guess who/where is coming in. i forgot what they call that

kamikaze.. that's the name

langleyparkjoe wrote:

DEHog wrote:...with all the big name coaches coming in..

DUDE! that's crazy, i thought that when i first heard bout haslett in the car.. allen, shananananahan, and now haslett. if you throw bobby april in there you'd have a decent squad of coaches

but yea, i'm wit Vet..and i really can't wait to see orakpo jumpin around switching up btwn 3-4/4-3.. he'll cause havoc. I also like the way some defenses don't even get in there stance and make the offenses guess who/where is coming in. i forgot what they call that

I'm not a big fan of Haslett I'd love to see April come here but I'm hearing they are going to retain Smith??

There is no need to talk about Haynesworth at all. Haynesworth can play any and I mean any position on the D line. He would dominate at any position on the D line as well.

You just have to think of the 3-4 as more of a 5-2.
The defensive ends in a 3-4 are really just taller defensive tackles. In a 4-3 you have two defensive tackles. In a 3-4 you really actually have 3 defensive tackles. The two outside linebackers/defensive ends are just more athletic defensive ends.
Lets say you call a blitz of both outside linebackers you have three defensive tackles eating up blockers and two very athletic linebackers chasing after the Qb.
Lets say you call for a blitz up the A gap. You now have three defensive tackles possibly creating double teams opening up gaps?

Richard Seymour would be a tremendous pick up. He knows the 3-4 and has thrived in the 3-4.

DEHog wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:

DEHog wrote:...with all the big name coaches coming in..

DUDE! that's crazy, i thought that when i first heard bout haslett in the car.. allen, shananananahan, and now haslett. if you throw bobby april in there you'd have a decent squad of coaches

but yea, i'm wit Vet..and i really can't wait to see orakpo jumpin around switching up btwn 3-4/4-3.. he'll cause havoc. I also like the way some defenses don't even get in there stance and make the offenses guess who/where is coming in. i forgot what they call that

I'm not a big fan of Haslett I'd love to see April come here but I'm hearing they are going to retain Smith??

I was under the assumption that all of them were gonna be out.. i thought moreso when they hired haslett. I honestly don't remember anything bout his defenses like if they were real good or not. I know someone put up that our DEF the last couple years were better according to some stats?

HEROHAMO wrote:Richard Seymour would be a tremendous pick up. He knows the 3-4 and has thrived in the 3-4.

he's aged, he's a big name.... He fits Danny's criteria, but I don't think Bruce and Shanny will let him tie up more money up front right now. But you are right that would be awesome having him in there with AH

Lets say you call a blitz of both outside linebackers you have three defensive tackles eating up blockers and two very athletic linebackers chasing after the Qb.
Lets say you call for a blitz up the A gap. You now have three defensive tackles possibly creating double teams opening up gaps?

You don't use someone like Haynesworth to take up blockers.

PulpExposure wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

I'm wondering where Fletch fits in all this though.

I've already seen "experts" voicing the opinion that he's too small to play the middle in a 3-4.

I'm wondering how many of them were also saying that he was too small to play the middle in a 4-3?

All they are going to do is give him another reason to turn up the heat.

There's nothing like a motivated London Fletcher!

Am I the only one who remembered a London Fletcher clone (Sam Mills) manning the middle of perhaps the best 3-4 LB set in history, the Saints' Dome Patrol?

Swilling, Johnson, Mills and Jackson! Amazing group. It's a whole different thread, but was that group better than Taylor, Carson, Johnson and Banks of the Giants?

As for London, he can definitely play inside in the 3-4 defence. He's not one of the issues I worry about when discussing the possibility of changing the scheme.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Lets say you call a blitz of both outside linebackers you have three defensive tackles eating up blockers and two very athletic linebackers chasing after the Qb.
Lets say you call for a blitz up the A gap. You now have three defensive tackles possibly creating double teams opening up gaps?

You don't use someone like Haynesworth to take up blockers.

He draws double teams every single play. It is a given. What are you talking about? Have you watched any of the games? He takes up two blockers wherever he lines up. Every play!

In Tennessee Haynesworth was double teamed constantly and penetrated the backfield. Creating a one on one for his teammates making his teammates that much more effective.

Did you notice an increase in defensive sacks this year? Andre Carter and Orakpo both getting double digits? Well guess who was taking up blockers?

Adding Seymour would assure us that either Seymour or Haynesworth would be going one on one meaning domination. We need to pick up Seymour.

We're not switching to a 3-4! Sure they'll throw in some 3-4 looks and zone blitzes and stuff, but our base defense and personel will be that of a 3-4...