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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:I agree. Several players are not playing to their skills and or best positions. Orakpo, Landry, Haynesworth, ...

And we need to replace Griffin. It would be nice if he stays as a backup with a smaller salarary but we need another great player side-by-side with Albert.

Orakpo has 11 sacks and you use him as an example he's NOT being used for his skills? What a bunch of incompetent boobs we are, wasting draft picks like that. Sure.

I refer to the FACT that whenever he has been successful, he has been used as DE and not in pass coverage.

He is not a good pass coverage LB. He could have been far more effective rushing all the time than trying to become a LB player in coverage that he is not.

I knew what you were referring to, I just don't buy it. He's having a great season, to use him as a vehicle to criticize our coaches is just plain silly. Sure, they try him in different ways, but obviously what they're doing with him is working.

That's specious reasoning. If they would play him with his hand in the dirt every play, then he could have 20 sacks instead of just 11, and wouldn't be getting burned in pass coverage.

Haynesworth's contract has not been the downfall of the 2009 Redskins.

It sounds like AH is trying to give an honest assessment of what he sees as a philosophy difference between himself & Coach Blache.

I am liking the media less & less for their misinterpretations of what is going on behind the scenes.

Jay Glazer spoke on the FOX NFL pregame show speaking as if had spent the whole week in Skins' team meetings.

His tone was sarcastic & described the atmosphere in Washington as "defeated."

Before the Giants game Jason was getting much better pass protection.

Only the coaching staff can answer why Osi Umenyora ate Levi Jones' lunch.

Jason was a ragdoll out there. From no sacks to Five & numerous pressured throws. It's not a surprise the Skins had 77 yards of total offense in the first half.

No one who is associated with the b&g should be pleased with their performance.

Be accountable, and work harder the next game.

frankcal20 wrote:I agree but my main thing is that he needs to be utilized in the weightroom on a bike burning some cardio and building up his stamina. That guy flops more than any player I've ever seen.

Alright sir, lets see you take on 2-3 270+lb men in the trenches and see how long you last. He's never taking on JUST ONE PERSON, he's creating havoc against 2-3 men. We have guys on this team that couldn't make an impact if they went unblocked.

I'm sorry but you're overreacting. Sure, things could get better but this is far from an issue. The bigger issue is that he's the ONLY DT on this team worth a damn. As someone stated earlier, we need to replace Griff.

Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used

I question spending 40 Mil guaranteed on a guy who has never played a full season, usually doesn't play more than 75% snaps in any game and has never been accused of being a leader.

But I was questioning those same things BEFORE Snyder/Cerrato signed him. He needs to STFU and play to his highest level to have any hope of playing up to his contract.

fleetus wrote:

Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used

I question spending 40 Mil guaranteed on a guy who has never played a full season, usually doesn't play more than 75% snaps in any game and has never been accused of being a leader.

But I was questioning those same things BEFORE Snyder/Cerrato signed him. He needs to STFU and play to his highest level to have any hope of playing up to his contract.

He's already playing up to his contract, IMHO.

Deadskins wrote:

fleetus wrote:

Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used

I question spending 40 Mil guaranteed on a guy who has never played a full season, usually doesn't play more than 75% snaps in any game and has never been accused of being a leader.

But I was questioning those same things BEFORE Snyder/Cerrato signed him. He needs to STFU and play to his highest level to have any hope of playing up to his contract.

He's already playing up to his contract, IMHO.

Ask Andre Carter and Orakpo if he is playing up to his contract. I'm prettu sure they are both going to get him something nice for Christmas for making their lives easier.

vwoodzpusha wrote:Ask Andre Carter and Orakpo if he is playing up to his contract. I'm prettu sure they are both going to get him something nice for Christmas for making their lives easier.

Amen.

All we need is a GREAT player on his side as a starter and DEPTH to have a rotation in place.

Having been a big supporter of Blache these past two years, here in the second half of 2009, there has been a major drop in performance of the defense. Having given up 27 to Philly twice, 31 to Atlanta, 33 NO, and 45 NYG in the last 8 games is a rather pathetic decline.

What ever is happening in the secondary tells me we need some serious changes back there. Between Steve jackson and Jerry Gray, they aren't getting it done. Rogers and Landry have been major disappointments this year, but more troubling is these player's attitudes after laying eggs. They just don't seem to care or think they've got to step it up. Landry, especially, with his swagger when he's being roasted every week, and frequently out of position to make plays, taking poor angles, and whiffing on tackles. And I've seen NO CHANGE in this.

That Haynesworth is questioning the way the defensive line is being held back is not the first time a D lineman has made such comments about Blache either.

So, given the poor showing over the second half of the season, and especially Monday night, I say the whole bloody lot of them should be shown the door.

And I'd work hard in the off season to unload both Landry and Rogers ... two first round picks that have not lived up to their draft positions.

fleetus wrote:

Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used

I question spending 40 Mil guaranteed on a guy who has never played a full season, usually doesn't play more than 75% snaps in any game and has never been accused of being a leader.

But I was questioning those same things BEFORE Snyder/Cerrato signed him. He needs to STFU and play to his highest level to have any hope of playing up to his contract.

I be you were one of the people saying Davis and Thomas were busts...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

fleetus wrote:

Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used

I question spending 40 Mil guaranteed on a guy who has never played a full season, usually doesn't play more than 75% snaps in any game and has never been accused of being a leader.

But I was questioning those same things BEFORE Snyder/Cerrato signed him. He needs to STFU and play to his highest level to have any hope of playing up to his contract.

I be you were one of the people saying Davis and Thomas were busts...

Not to get this too far off-topic, but Thomas has a lot more to prove before we can say that he isn't a bust. He has 25 catches on the year...that hardly qualifies someone as not being a bust. You expect a lot more production out of a second round player in his second year.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

fleetus wrote:

Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used

I question spending 40 Mil guaranteed on a guy who has never played a full season, usually doesn't play more than 75% snaps in any game and has never been accused of being a leader.

But I was questioning those same things BEFORE Snyder/Cerrato signed him. He needs to STFU and play to his highest level to have any hope of playing up to his contract.

I be you were one of the people saying Davis and Thomas were busts...

Not to get this too far off-topic, but Thomas has a lot more to prove before we can say that he isn't a bust. He has 25 catches on the year...that hardly qualifies someone as not being a bust. You expect a lot more production out of a second round player in his second year.

I don't think it's possible to evaluate WRs when the passing game is 26% behind the line of scrimmage, and another 40% less than 7 yards. That's 67% of passing plays within 7 yards of the line ... with a 64% completion percentage, that really limits the number of opportunities ANYONE will get on the outside.

This passing offense revolves around screens and dump offs. From what I've seen from Thomas when he does get the ball has been impressive. But receivers have to get the ball ... he just hasn't gotten that many. But then again, Moss's numbers are down too ... especially his total yards and TDs.

You can't do too much more when you get hit before you finish your 3 step drop.

Haynesworth is exactly what you had hoped he would be; dominant most of the time, takes a few plays off, and misses a few games each season. That's pretty much his history. You were just hoping that he wouldn't mail it in once he got his paycheck, and to me, he most certainly has not.

Our d-line is in pretty good shape overall, I'd say. We're set at DE for the near future (Orakpo and Jarmon, and Carter), and DT is fine with Haynesworth and Gholston. Yes, it would be nice if we had all-stars at every position on the d-line, but this is one area of the team where we don't need a lot more investment.

VetSkinsFan wrote:You can't do too much more when you get hit before you finish your 3 step drop.

I predict Ray's response will include something about Todd Collins, Seattle, passing yards, 2 TDs, etc.

PulpExposure wrote:Haynesworth is exactly what you had hoped he would be; dominant most of the time, takes a few plays off, and misses a few games each season. That's pretty much his history. You were just hoping that he wouldn't mail it in once he got his paycheck, and to me, he most certainly has not.

Our d-line is in pretty good shape overall, I'd say. We're set at DE for the near future (Orakpo and Jarmon, and Carter), and DT is fine with Haynesworth and Gholston. Yes, it would be nice if we had all-stars at every position on the d-line, but this is one area of the team where we don't need a lot more investment.

VetSkinsFan wrote:You can't do too much more when you get hit before you finish your 3 step drop.

I predict Ray's response will include something about Todd Collins, Seattle, passing yards, 2 TDs, etc.

Yeah, suddenly, I feel deja vu coming.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

fleetus wrote:

Haynesworth Questions How He Is Being Used

I question spending 40 Mil guaranteed on a guy who has never played a full season, usually doesn't play more than 75% snaps in any game and has never been accused of being a leader.

But I was questioning those same things BEFORE Snyder/Cerrato signed him. He needs to STFU and play to his highest level to have any hope of playing up to his contract.

I be you were one of the people saying Davis and Thomas were busts...

Nope, I said they need more time. But Haynesworth is a known quantity. his lack of endurance and leaderships precedes him. Of course he is a great player. Not a 40M guaranteed guy though. Especially if he's going to start pointing fingers in the media.