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WE WANT DALLAS!!!!!

Hey I am new, but that sucked bad. It had a sense of the game being being thrown. if they want there jobs then they would not have done this tonight. Or maybe they just dont care as they did earlier in the season. put yourselelf in there place tonight. I played college ball and know there is alot of variables that efect play, help me figure this out. I predict Jim Zorn will be fired by Friday. Mark it , read it , believe it. It is time. Blach will cover for the last two losses.........or maybe one loss. cowboys will fall!

What an idiot....

Hoss wrote:WE WANT DALLAS!!!!!

I think that should read Dallas wants us

Well, that was embarrassing.

PTI will be good tomorrow.

jim will b gone by friday. all off you are idiots if you dont believe it. sorry for breing mean oooohhh

that was pathetic.......................................................................

I am ashamed to see this disaster.

Please put Jim Zorn out of his misery. Fire him or resign, whatever ...

And some of you thought we had the foundation of an OL ....

Well, the NFC East are NOT the Raiders.

How much more inaccurate and inept can Jason become?

I never thought I would ever look forward to say I want the season to finish today. No more games. Please stop this misery.

I wanted to turn the TV off at the start of the second quarter but lasted till half time. It was probably the most embarassing showing in Redskin history by then-- and I couldn't stand the certain knowledge that the Giants were going to run right over us for first down after first down.

I still don't understand it. We simply can't be that bad, or so I thought. Even Orakpo sucked. One tackle, no sacks, playing linebacker every time I looked. He can't play linebacker. Carter and Daniels were worthless, as were other linemen, and our DB's were playing without a clue. We were terrible, unbelievably terrible.

This catastrophe is on the defense, not the offense. True, the offense sucked, but not to the mind-bending extent the defense sucked. The defense set the tone, and, in many ways, the game was over before the offense could even get warmed it.

What is there to say?

Bruce Allen get the guillotine and line these bums up. Starting with Zorn then Campbell.

People who I think should stay Haynesworth, Moss, ey, Fred Davis, Levi Jones, Sellers, Devin Thomas, Malcom Kelly, Orakpo, A. Carter, Fletcher, Mcintosh, Portis, Betts, Chris Samuels(if he decides to come back), Randy Thomas, Dockery(maybe), Hall, Landry, Horton, Marko Mitchell(he deserves a fair shot), Mike Williams(only had one year), Cartwright, Doughty, Chris Wilson, Montgomery, Golston, Barnes, Landry, Moore, Tyron, Griffin, Daniels, Gano and Smith.

People who need to restructure contracts Moss, Portis, Griffin and Randy Thomas.

The rest of the players I say off with the head!

Zorn is an embarrassment. What in the world was that nonsense at the end of the first half. The last play of the first half was the type of call that a coach that has no idea what he is doing makes. Like they said on post game, it was "amateur hour" out there with Jim Zorn. It's unbelievable how unfit he is to be an NFL head coach.

He shouldn't have been our coach 2 years ago. Was a stupid decision to begin with but who can blame him. I would have taken the job too.

frankcal20 wrote:He shouldn't have been our coach 2 years ago. Was a stupid decision to begin with but who can blame him. I would have taken the job too.

I would've too, but that doesn't mean he should be criticized any less. Bottom line is that as an HC he is incompetent.

Here's the deal. This coaching staff failed to get this team ready to play, and the Giants had an offensive game plan that they executed perfectly on the opening possession, which highlighted the first mistake the coach made ... winning the toss and giving the giants the ball first anyway. Then, this ill prepared and clueless offense went three and out the next three possessions putting the defense back on the field, boom, boom, boom. The Giants scored 4 times on a defense that didn't even have time to catch a breath and figure out what was being done to them and make adjustments. Boom, down 24, right out of the blocks, and the game is over before it even gets started.

Now, Campbell was being beat up ... no doubt about that ... but Collins was in for 3 plays ... an immediate 47 yarder to Moss ... and a throw to Davis should have resulted in a TD had Davis held on to it. This HAS TO HIGHLIGHT the fact that this is the SECOND time Collins has come off the bench with the offense unable to make a bloody yard, and immediately makes big plays down field. Collins is NOT a super star QB, yet he shows that there are plays to be made down field, IF YOU GET THE BALL OUT QUICKLY AND ACCURATELY, and to the right people. That Zorn decided to put Campbell back in there just solidifies the fact that he and his staff are clueless to a criminal extent.

That ridiculous end of half play must be the most lame brained thing I've ever seen ... similar to what you might expect from a pick up game at the park, and is indicative of coaching staff that has no business on the sidelines of an NFL game.

That Blache failed to adjust the defensive strategy in the second half by at least trying to blitz Manning in the midst of his soft zone coverages being unmercifully shredded play after play and made to look foolish, is yet another reason to fire everyone except the hot dog salesmen, including Blache, Zorn, Smith ... EVERYBODY (and I've been a big supporter of Blache).

Campbell got beat up ... yes ... but I've said this before and I'll say it again ... he's thrown only 5 TD passes outside the 20 yard line over the past three years. The Giants know this better than anyone, and they know they can simply stack the box, play press coverage on the outside, and blitz the daylights out of him and completely stymie Campbell every time. They have NO FEAR of him ... not one iota, and why should they? He sucks, and they know it.

Even when not under pressure he misses short passes badly ... in tonight's case, one for a pick 6 ... another short screen, and yet another for an intentional grounding, which is INEXCUSABLE.

The cat stinks ... plain and simple. That 26% of his passes are behind the line of scrimmage, and another 40% less than 7 yards makes his stats totally meaningless and proves that he is not a starting QB calibre player.

He needs to be on the same bus out-of-town with his coaches, because anyone can do what he does, which is lose and look bad doing it.

Draft a QB, and let Collins and Brennan fight it out for the starting job next year while training your rookie.

Could Collins or Brennan do any worse than 45-12 and a pick 6 ? Could they do any worse than 4-10 ... looking more and more like 4-12 ? I don't think so. It doesn't get much worse than this, and it's time to stop making excuses and start making changes ... we've changed coaching staffs once already ... time to send a few players out the door with this group of inept coaches.

like I said earlier, I really hope JC goes elsewehre. It'll be the best move he can make for his career. You could see at the end of the game with the black eye and looked like he got beat up. He said this was the worst game he's been a part of here. I would agree. Not his worst game but THE worst game.

He couldn't keep the offense on the filed long enough for the defense to look at pictures. 3 and out, 3and out, 3 and out.

That's not an excuse for such a poor defensive effort ... but it does contribute to the problems.

Bottom line is that the last time we beat the NYG, it was Todd Collins at QB. Jason has never beaten the Giants over the past 4 years. He's 0-6.

Who care's. Really. The whole team played like crap. Not just Jason Campbell. So don't put the blame solely on him. And Todd Collins sure as hell wasn't going to flip this game around. If you honestly think that, then you've clearly drank too much this evening.

I heard Bruce Allen say he has complete control over football operations, well his first order of business should be to fire Zorn. Let Blache run it the last 2 games and then get rid of him too, and then start with the players...and alot of these guys need adjusted.

What good is that going to do in all reality? Fire the guy now vs in two games. Big deal. You might as well wait until the season is over.

frankcal20 wrote:What good is that going to do in all reality? Fire the guy now vs in two games. Big deal. You might as well wait until the season is over.

Because I'm tired of Zorn's "stay medium" BS. It's shocking how little emotion he shows. There is no accountability under him as the HC and the sooner that we remove his influence on the team the better.

Keep Orakpo - Move him to DEFENSIVE END

Keep Fletcher, McIntosh, Haynesworth, Landry (MOVE TO SS), Keep Hall

Keep ey, Davis, Thomas, Kelly


Cut everyone else, coaches included

- Laron Landry has to go. Get a third for him and be satisfied. Continue to grow Kareem at FS and move Reed back to SS and plus we still have Horton.

- I'd resign Carlos. Keep the DB's intact for now.

- Draft a proper LB and move Orakpo to DE full-time. We can still move him around as needed with some exotic packages.

- We need a young DT to put beside Haynesworth. Dunno where we could get one, it's not a need in the draft, maybe we'd get lucky.

- Moss has to go at WR or be demoted. ARE has to go. Kelly, Marko and Devon are keepers. Keep both ey and Davis.

- Fix the offensive line as best as possible. This must be the focus.

- RB's...keep them. Keep CP cus he's going to get paid anyway. Run the young guys and keep CP fresh. Kinda like what Baltimore does with Willis.

- QB... *shrugs shoulders....* I have no idea.

Zorn could be given a Christmas gift this morning a holiday week firing.

I don't like watching my team embarrassed but this loss does not mean anything but a better draft pick. Zorn was gone, half the roster was gone no matter what. Remember folks this has been the most successful season for the Redskins under The Danny - he fired Vinny.