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He's a better blocker, runs better routes, and can catch balls that come in above his numbers?

I don't get the mentality that looks at the Skins, sees one legitimate red zone threat, and says that's enough.

Here's the way I see it. Looking at 2010, for the base offense, you've got Moss and Thomas outside, and Portis in the backfield (he's guaranteed $7M as long as he doesn't retire, so it's a pretty safe bet he's coming back). Line up ey at tight end, and that leaves one spot. So you've got either Davis, or any of:

- Randle El;
- Kelly;
- Yoder;
- Sellers.

And that just doesn't seem like a very hard choice to make. As far as roster moves, dump Sellers and Randle El, make Yoder the primary H-back, give Kelly until the end of his rookie contract to show that he can play in the NFL, and don't think about moving anybody under 30 for anything less than an overwhelming offer.

Gibbs4Life wrote:You don't trade a Pro Bowl TE for just a first rounder, 1 and a 3 at least

I have never seen a probowl TE go for a 1st and probably never will. In fact I have seen probowl TE get cut like McMichael and Crumpler. TE aren't valued that high in the nfl, no matter how good they are.

Just to point this out for argument sake - Tony Gonzalez - at the end of his career, was traded to ATL for a 2nd round pick. Just an FYI. I would say that the Redskins would expect similar value if ey would be traded. A first is a bit high but I wouldn't be shocked to see a team offer it if they felt that a TE was all they needed.

My vote is to keep ey. I would love to see him and Fred on the field the same time.

Paralis wrote:He's a better blocker, runs better routes, and can catch balls that come in above his numbers?

- Better blocker? That's debateable. They seem pretty equal.

- Better routes? That comes with experience which Davis is getting.

- Davis caught an amazing TD pass today well above his numbers.


I'm not even ragging on ey, like him a lot but he's not heads and shoulders above Davis which is why people are considering trading him.

We either need a new GM or a head coach who heavily influences draft choices. Until then I rather not trade away our prized tight end ey.


One game over the Raiders and we all of a sudden are talking about booting ey? Get a grip.

We still need a competent Gm, competent head coach and a competent QB!


I am very happy that Davis is turning out to be good. I think we all knew Davis, Thomas and maybe even Kelly has talent.
The question was who will get them the ball?
I still think we need to roll heads in the off season. Until then we should hold on to ey and Davis.

Kudos to Davis but still keep this in perspective people. First things first get a GM or Head Coach then lets talk about moves.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Paralis wrote:Better athlete? maybe. Better football player? no.

There's no room for debate that Davis is the better athelete. He's faster and a lot more nimble than ey and breaks tackles just as well. And that's not a knock on ey who is a monster.

Now explain how ey is a better "player".

I agree Chris Davis is the better athelete but better athelete doesn't + better player...ey has better hands and is a better blocker and route runner at this point...but back to the topis...I don't think it's crazy to think about trading him...One of the problems with this org. is that they fall in love with players and hang on to long...better to get rid of a player one year to early than one year to late..

Don't forget that ey got plenty of reps at FB also which F. Davis hasn't done. ey is also more familar when moved out to a WR position. ey has proven himself time and time again and is a leader, Davis has been good for 3 or 4 games. Not to mention all the contributions ey makes off the field which helps the team look good. If its me, I don't even consider trading him.

Our offense has had trouble scoring touchdowns right?
Why not help solve the problem by having 2 quality TE's out there near the goal line. I'm not saying theres not other more pressing matters, and TE might not be a high value position to most, but it is a huge position on this offense, and its one of the positions that actually consistently provides good results. Keep ey and see what you can do w/ 2 good TE's.

welch wrote:The team does not need ey. He is a "nice to have", but he doesn't carry the team.

In fact, Davis looks like a better receiver, more able to get open. ey looks more like the guy who slips open when the defense concentrates on the WRs.

I don't agree. ey is much more capable of making the high tough catch than Davis is. I do think Davis is a little faster than ey, but Davis is still an unknown to other teams. No one is game planning to take him out of games like I have seen them do to ey.

Perfect example is that seam pass that should gahve been a >50yard TD to Davis that JC inecplicably missed him on. If that was ey, he would have had a DE chip him at the line, a LB bump him in five hards and there would have been safety help over the top. Davis had none of that.

But as defensive coordinators see more tape of hime, don't expect that to continue. Don't get me wrong, they won't shut him down. But he will start getting tripple teamed like ey was on certain plays.

However, with ey back, a 2 TE set will cause mega problems for defenses. Imagine a single back set, ballanced on both sides. Thomas and Davis on one side with Moss and ey on the other. Your showing a strong run formation, but you have enough tallent on the field where the defense would be forced to play a base D. Play action and ey and Davis sprinting down the seams and occupying both safeties over and LB under that leaves Moss and Thomas cover one on one. If the safeties don't help the LB's and double Moss and Thomas then you have ey being covered by LBs and that is a mis-match.

My questions (as it is with alot of decisions with this team) is why did it take an injury to get Davis on the field??

DEHog wrote:My questions (as it is with alot of decisions with this team) is why did it take an injury to get Davis on the field??

He was on the field some, not getting the ball. (ask JC about that)
He wasn't on the field as much as he should have been (ask Zorn about that) Maybe, he figured if JC wasn't going to throw him the ball, why have him on the field.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DEHog wrote:My questions (as it is with alot of decisions with this team) is why did it take an injury to get Davis on the field??

He was on the field some, not getting the ball. (ask JC about that)
He wasn't on the field as much as he should have been (ask Zorn about that) Maybe, he figured if JC wasn't going to throw him the ball, why have him on the field.

It's not just Davis...Look how long it took to cut SS...then when they cut him they say it's been a long time coming?? LL move to SS was a long time coming...Randle El is still returning punts??
Why do I think DS and VC are up there saying we're not paying these guy to sit on the bench Jim...they play!!
Everyone been talking about the double TE set...we still haven't seen it??

I understand trying to accumulate draft picks, because I agree with that. But I dont think trading ey is the right move. I think we could run a successful 2 TE set. I also think ey is versitile enough that he could become a full time FB/H Back with Davis playing TE.

There are successful 2 TE sets in the NFL....you just have to use them right. The Cowboys use 2 TE sets alot with Witten and Bennett. That being said they usually leave Witten on the line and move Bennett around, sometimes out wide and sometimes in the slot.

I think we could use ey that way, move him around in the backfield (FB) or in the slot or out wide and leave Davis as the TE on the line. You want your best 11 players on the field at the same time and it is the coaches job to figure out how to accomplish that....thats my biggest knock on Zorn.....he cant figure that part out!

ey's job is safe. If anything Fred Davis might get traded. I wonder if he can be converted into a slot reciever.

ey will stay here. He is a playemaker and is not a cancer to the team. If that was the case, then maybe the font office would consider it, like the Giants did with Shockley. ey is a good player and he makes more yards after the catvh than Fred Davis.. we need both next season and keep them both on the field ...

SKINFAN wrote:Cooley's job is safe. If anything Fred Davis might get traded. I wonder if he can be converted into a slot reciever.

I have a feeling that, if both are on the team next year, teams will be seeing a lot of ey and Davis in the slot... especially Davis. Don't forget that Davis was a WR when he was a freshman...

Yeah. He had issues with his weight so they moved him to TE. Thankfully, he has the size to play the position but something that talks about work ethic, which has been in question several times in the past over the past 2 years on this team.

The "Bingo Caller" would find a way to get Davis touches even with ey in there. Too bad we won't see it now because Chris is hurt. But what do you expect him (Davis) to do? He's getting his shot and he won the Mackie Award for a reason.

I would take this two-headed monster at TE anyday. As bad as the "Cowgirls" are, especially in December, they were finding ways to use Bennett with Witten. Too bad that they have a "slinger" at QB who is actually some stinky garr-bauge!!!

Pablo wrote:Cooley will stay here. He is a playemaker and is not a cancer to the team. If that was the case, then maybe the font office would consider it, like the Giants did with Shockley. ey is a good player and he makes more yards after the catvh than Fred Davis.. we need both next season and keep them both on the field ...

shoot, this brings a whole new meaning to jumbo package.

TeeterSalad wrote:Don't forget that ey got plenty of reps at FB also which F. Davis hasn't done. ey is also more familar when moved out to a WR position. ey has proven himself time and time again and is a leader, Davis has been good for 3 or 4 games. Not to mention all the contributions ey makes off the field which helps the team look good. If its me, I don't even consider trading him.

Our offense has had trouble scoring touchdowns right?
Why not help solve the problem by having 2 quality TE's out there near the goal line. I'm not saying theres not other more pressing matters, and TE might not be a high value position to most, but it is a huge position on this offense, and its one of the positions that actually consistently provides good results. Keep ey and see what you can do w/ 2 good TE's.

Let's make ey the default (whatever position)...be it WR, TE, FB...etc.

The ster can do it....anytime, anywhere....

frankcal20 wrote:...he has the size to play the position but something that talks about work ethic, which has been in question several times in the past...

After hearing Zorn's presser today, in which he stated that a reason why FD was not performing earlier in the season was because (Í'm paraphrasing) FD wasn't putting in the work to prepare to start due to his being lower on the depth chart than CC, raises a HUGE red flag about FD and the way he deals with adversity.

It seems like he was only willing to prepare when he was told he would start. That's not the type of character winning teams should foster, IMO.

I've witnessed him play extremely well over the past few games (minus the dumb penalty in the end zone), but, I am, TODAY, less inclined to trade ey, until FD shows signs of being close to the consumate professional ey has shown to be (outside of the penis photo, of course).

I'm with Luva Luva and believe if we can't move some of the dead weight on our squad (Santana Moss, Randy Thomas, Clinton Portis) by next year perhaps trying to dangle ey along with one of these players would yield a 2nd or third rounder.

We need another outside linebacker, a CB that can match D'Angelo Hall's athleticism. Carlos Rogers can't cover my calculus book. Not sure what happened to his attitude since coming back from two devestating knee injuries.

Orakpo has 11 sacks as a rookie. He's been everything you want in your #1 draft pick.

One of the most dynamic pass rushers we have ever had. Better than Manley I think because he is so quick off of the snap.

I love players who work hard and don't think they can turn their game up a notch on Sunday.

You have to give 110% every day.

4-9 with final three games versus two division rivals and one old nemesis.

Norval Eugene Turner hates Snyder to this day for firing him and keeping Charlie Casserly.

Both have been gone for awhile and we still are bottom feeders.

All I want for xmas is no more losing. Pretty please Santa

I'll keep it simple. ey's our best receiver. Period. He's still well within his prime and TEs can perform admirably will in to their mid 30s (yes, the excpetion, but it's not outlandish). To trade ey while we have a 6 game window in order to judge the replacement of one of, if not the best TE we've ever had, is DUMB.

Both of these guys can and should be used next year and for years beyond, provided Davis can keep performing at the level he is. We already know what ey's capable of.

tribeofjudah wrote:With Davis playing better and better....what becomes of Chris ey...???

Man, ey is one of my FAVS in the whole NFL. I hope we can keep them both.

I don't understand the issue, what would happen to ey?

Gametime33 wrote:dangle ey along with one of these players would yield a 2nd or third rounder.

ey would be worth at least a first round pick - but even that - the wip lash from the fan base would be just too much!

Gametime33 wrote:Orakpo has 11 sacks as a rookie. He's been everything you want in your #1 draft pick.

One of the most dynamic pass rushers we have ever had. Better than Manley I think because he is so quick off of the snap.

Whao! Slow down there young fellow. If you think Orakpo is better than Manley, then you truly never watched the prize bull play. Orakpo is very good right now, but Dexter was a QB serial killer (TV pun intended).

Gametime33 wrote:Norval Eugene Turner hates Snyder to this day for firing him and keeping Charlie Casserly.

Sorry, wrong order. The Danny sided with Norv and fired Charlie first. (AND later appologized to Casserly telling him he chose the wrong side!)

Orakpo is definitely no Dexter Manley... yet.

But he sure looks like he could be the next Dexter Manley...

Manley used to scare Redskin fans... let alone the opposition - the guy was just an animal and played with a vigor that has rarely been seen on an NFL field. Do yourself a favor and watch some old videos of him in action. The guy just ate quarterbacks for lunch week in and week out - and the bigger the game - the bigger Dexter got.

But orakpo is such a stud that it isn't hard to see him becoming that same unstoppable force. What a talent.