Would you trade Landry?

RedskinsFreak · Post by **RedskinsFreak** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:06 pm

We notice it with the Redskins most, but it's a trend throughout football.

Players don't know the fundamentals of the tackle. There are few-to-no full-contact practices for fear of losing a player to injury. And they certainly don't teach tackling at the pro level.

The crown of the helmet should NEVER be the point of first contact when making a tackle. Paralysis, anyone?

"Wrap 'em and drop 'em" has been replaced by "Hit 'em as hard as you can and hope they fall down."

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:30 pm

I voted yes. Dude is NOT a good player. Bad angles, costly penalties, and doesnt make game changing picks, or make WR's Fear him ala S. Taylor.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:40 pm

DEHog wrote:Put Moore at FS and move LL to SS I want to see him there before I make a decision on him

Agreed.

He is not playing the position he is most qualified to play.

Another misplacing and misuse of players in this team. :roll:

How come almost EVERYBODY is turning his back on Landry now?

I want him HERE !!! We will be sorry to see him used WELL in his natural position elsewhere.

I know you are mad at him after a bad showing and all ... but come on!

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:53 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
DEHog wrote:Put Moore at FS and move LL to SS I want to see him there before I make a decision on him
Agreed.

He is not playing the position he is most qualified to play.

Another misplacing and misuse of players in this team.

How come almost EVERYBODY is turning his back on Landry now?

I want him HERE !!! We will be sorry to see him used WELL in his natural position elsewhere.

I know you are mad at him after a bad showing and all ... but come on!

1: He has become a primadonna. He doesn't show for OTA's. Then, when he comes, he appears to be of the opinion that fundamentals don't apply to him.

2: His play is completely undisciplined. He is constantly looking for the big hit, instead of letting the big hit come to him. It was clear yesterday that he wanted nothing to do with Michael Turner. What's with repeatedly leaving his feet to dive at players??? Since when is that taught in tackling fundamentals 101?

3: The other two strong safeties are absolutely not embarrasing themselves. Even if Landry returns to form, we won't gain so much that it will improve overall defensive play.

4: I'm fine with keeping him... so long as he demonstrates that he deserves to be on the field more than Horton or Doughty. Both of them have value, and are emminently tradeable.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:58 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:
How come almost EVERYBODY is turning his back on Landry now?

Because he is playing nowhere near the level that he should be playing at as a top 10 pick. He takes bad angles, misses tackles, and doesn't make big plays. In 40 games he has 2 ints (which came in the same game) and three forced fumbles. That is simply unacceptable. And his attempt at tackling Turner on that long td run was an embarrassment and he should have been benched after that. He's more than happy to hit a qb late out of bounds but wants no part of a running back that is coming right at him. It's pathetic.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:23 pm

in one sense I would like to see Landry play elsewhere to show the guys here that think they know who is playing well or not and why that is happening, that we just let another player go that could have helped this team if he was surrounded with other players that make up a team

Landry is a better player than we have seen and I do not believe that is all on him

If all of the players on this team that are not playing to their ability or potential OR according to where they were drafted (WTF does where a player is drafted have to do with his ability?) - then we would not have many players - give me a break

btw - I thought Landry was guilty of making contact out of bounds but I did not realize that he hit Ryan as Canes pointed out - did I miss the hit :lol:

if you exagerated about that I guess that explains a lot of your posts here :twisted:

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:26 pm

SkinsJock wrote:btw - I thought Landry was guilty of making contact out of bounds but I did not realize that he hit Ryan as Canes pointed out - did I miss the hit
if you exagerated about that I guess that explains a lot of your posts here

Yea it was a late hit out of bounds. It's not too hard to understand.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 2:32 pm

in one sense I would like to see Landry play elsewhere to show the guys here that think they know who is playing well or not and why that is happening, that we just let another player go that could have helped this team if he was surrounded with other players that make up a team

Surrounded by better players? That is a JOKE of an excuse. Taking poor angles, missing tackles, and being afraid of contact has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the players that Landry is surrounded with.

Go to the 3:47 mark on this video and watch Landry's sad and pathetic attempt at tackling Turner. That is the play of a guy that is afraid of contact and getting trucked the way that he did last year by Jacobs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJdOi1jBDDQ&feature=player_embedded#

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:56 pm

The other two strong safeties are absolutely not embarrasing themselves. Even if Landry returns to form, we won't gain so much that it will improve overall defensive play.

I don't get this mentality. If Landry can play SS better than the two we have there already, and Moore can play better FS than Landry, how does having Moore at FS and Landry at SS not improve the overall defense?

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 6:44 pm

Wahoo you hit it on the nose

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:14 pm

Like I said - in my opinion we cannot let Landry go unles someone wants to give us a first round pick - this guy is a top 10 strong safety in the NFL - at this time, fortunately, I don't think we'll get that pick and I doubt he's leaving

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:58 pm

VetSkinsFan wrote:
The other two strong safeties are absolutely not embarrasing themselves. Even if Landry returns to form, we won't gain so much that it will improve overall defensive play.

I don't get this mentality. If Landry can play SS better than the two we have there already, and Moore can play better FS than Landry, how does having Moore at FS and Landry at SS not improve the overall defense?

It's really not that difficult. You expect your strong safety to make physical plays... not to attempt to make physical plays and miss... or make feeble attempts a physical plays... or to leave his feet in a feigned attempt at making a physical play. Landry has consistently blown his opportunities to make contact as FS. What makes you think he would do any better as SS????

Horton is down now. However, Doughty continues to make plays when he has the opportunity. Landry (wait for it)...

DOES NOT. He gets plenty of opportunities... and consistently whiffs.

Landry needs to PROVE that he can play better than Doughty BEFORE he replaces Doughty... thus far, I have seen no evidence that he can.

You can tell me that you have... but I'd sure like to see some evidence to back it up.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:07 pm

What Landry needs is

1) to play for Greg Williams in New Orleans. He will be happy to do that;

or

2) get a coach here that instills the discipline and fundamentals that he needs. :idea:

He will shine elsewhere.

The MOST IMPOTANT reason I do not want to rock the boat too much with player acquisitions or trades right now is that these two clowns are DESPERATE and they do not know an iota of football. They will mismanage all of our trades in desperation.

BRING A GM NOW !!!

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:02 pm

We need to fill in holes in the roster right?

Ok, the only way I would trade him is if the offer was too much to refuse. Lets say two first round picks. A 1st, 2nd and an additional pick.
A starting pro bowl left tackle.

Other then that no.
In the offseason we need to fill holes in the roster. Getting rid of our starting free saftey does not help that cause.

When you draft it is a roll of the dice. Landry is a pretty good player as of now. He also has some growth ahead of him. So as of right now I keep him.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:03 pm

You know what's frustrating about Landry? The guy who was selected AFTER he was...

That's right, the best player in the NFL. We could have had him instead. *sigh*

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:06 pm

Also, in 05 instead of Carlos Rogers we could have had DeMarcus Ware, Shawne Merriman or Jammal Brown. We need a real GM.

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:33 pm

LL is NOT Sean Taylor....no way, no how, never will be..... So all expectations and comparisons are unfair. Put LL back to strong safety and maybe...just maybe he could pan out as a fierce player...

Until then, we'll never know...........

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:38 pm

SkinsJock wrote:Like I said - in my opinion we cannot let Landry go unles someone wants to give us a first round pick - this guy is a top 10 strong safety in the NFL - at this time, fortunately, I don't think we'll get that pick and I doubt he's leaving

How could he ever play strong safety when he is afraid of contact?

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:44 pm

Hey Skinsfan55 - how many players were taken before Brady? We have not drafted well forever - what does that have to do with anything except to amplify the mistakes we have made with so many players that have been brought in here, not just Landry - everyone at the time thought it was a good choice, did you think we should have selected someone else and please give us a link to that insight? :twisted:

The point is not when Landry was drafted - this player is not playing well enough that we are going to get much for him and he has too much potential to just let go for nothing - I understand the frustration at his play but I think it would be a mistake to let him go unless someone sees the potential and is willing to make a trade that we cannot refuse

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon Nov 09, 2009 11:51 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:How could he ever play strong safety when he is afraid of contact?

says who? is it your opinion this guy should not be playing here - would you just let him go then? are you off your meds? you're begining to make as much sense with some of your suggestions as Cerrato and his gang

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:36 am

skins2357 wrote:Simple Question here......

Personally, I would try to package him and a 1st rounder for McNeil in SD. Dudes a FA next yr and one of the best YOUNG (25 y/o) LTs in the NFL
( 2 pro bowls)
Thats a pretty solid trade for SD one would think.

While your at it, we should try and trade JC for Tom Brady straight up. :roll:

Or maybe CP for Adrian Peterson and a conditional 4th rounder depending on AP's production. :roll:

so.il.SKINSFAN · Post by **so.il.SKINSFAN** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:54 am

He's not playing worth a crap right now, but then again neither is 90% of the roster. Landry has got all the right tools to be great except the main tool he needs...a coach/coaches that can make him great.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:10 am

SkinsJock wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:How could he ever play strong safety when he is afraid of contact?

says who?

How else do you explain his missed tackle on Turner? To me, that looks like a guy that is afraid of getting trucked by a running back.

would you just let him go then?

No, but I would certainly sit him down on the bench. Right now he is playing terribly and he really hasn't performed well since the playoffs in 2007. Overall, he has been a disappointment since being drafted. We can talk all day about potential but Landry is in his third full season and isn't contributing very much to this team right now. If it was me I would start Moore and Doughty the next game. Maybe that will send a message to Landry.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:52 am

I agree - I just do not want to see him go unless someone wants to make a great trade for us and I don't see that happening

I agree that he needs a big wake-up call and he needs to be benched but I just think and hope we see the Landry we drafted playing back at strong safety with the same attitude he had when he first arrived - I know he's missed tackles and looked bad but then so have many of our players this year - it would be a great thing for this team if Landry were to wake-up, earn his spot at strong safety and have the desire that this team needs from a lot of it's player

I am in no way defending Landry but this defense is not playing as well as we had hoped and I don't know why that is but I do think that Landry can be a better player for us if he wakes up and plays the position he's better suited for - this guy may have missed some tackles lately but he can tackle and he's lot better when he's playing closer to the line - I have some concerns about how well this defense is being coached or prepared

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