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Marko Mitchell got open more on the 5 pass plays he was in the game than Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas combined in their two years in the league....and that's not an exaggeration.

Gibbs4Life wrote:I don't think it's Cerrato's fault

It was a calculated decision to address the defense last offseason

The oline was not ignored as much as it was counting on aging veterans, those veterans have let us down either through injury and/or poor performance

This offseason will give us a chance to solidify the OL and bring in young talent; you have to think our first rounder is an Olineman unless you have a chance at a FRANCHISE QB like Tim Tebow

Still the Oline needs so much help we might have to pass on a franchise qb just to get decent on the oline; Russell Okung out of Oaklahoma State would be a great start... you can replace Samuels and if Chris wants to keep playing Okung can handle RT.

Start with Okung in the 1st round

In the 2nd round you'd like to have the luxury of looking at a RB like Evan Royster PennState but of course we don't have that luxury...Get a top C G or T prospect


2 out of 4 of our oline positions of need can be met in the 1st and 2nd
rounds.

Let's say we get Okung and a G; I think a Center might be there in the 4th, and we're going to have to get at least 1 free agent starting OLineman

tim tebow sucks........hes the third best college qb in fl right now

Redskin in Canada wrote:Yes, it can get worse and it very probably will.

How more disheartening can it be when we knew that the Bye-week was our last chance to regroup and salvage a few games in the next few weeks?

I seriously think that WHOEVER plays QB has a very high probability of being hurt behind this OL. I have had enough of Jason but I do not wish him to finish his career with a series of injuries.

This is getting to become so serious that I do not know who will finish the season and who will not.

Ah! and I have had enough of Mr. Medium. I want my next HC to be rather RAW and fire up his players. I was ready to mix it up when Hall was being beat up in the Falcons bench and Zorn is standing just up there as a granny would watch the sunset

I love Al Haynesworth. No more fat albert from me ...

Oddly, I am so passed the point of being upset and mad. We all see the issues, most know what must happen for this team to have any chance of improving. At this point I'm all out of outrage and disgust.

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JC can't be clutch because he's getting killed. Come on. I'm not going to say that he could have got us the win on his own with a good line but I would like to see it.

I spent the day with Steelers fans who have watched all the Redskins games. They live here in DC. They, as a group say that JC is not being used correctly. He's also not being protected and regardless of who's in there at QB, they would get killed.
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Got a trade for you then... Soup for Rothlesberger

Observations to come, but first off, If we do not get a GM in here to fix this train wreck, this is the kind of game we should come to expect for a LONG time. Now to how I saw it:

Portis...We need to bench Portis. He is clearly the third best back on the team, and it's really hurting that he doesn't even practice during the week. Once he went out, the O started putting drives together, the backs were hitting the hole hard, and had some fire. It was nice to see.

Moss...He dropped three balls in his hands. Nice throws and he just flat dropped them. He needs to be benched. Let the younger guys play and figure out if we have a number one on the team.

O-line...They are in shambles.

Campbell...he's a very mediocre QB.

D...Very over rated bunch of players. How can they be offsides twice on 4th down???

Landry...this guy has got to learn to tackle and how to take angles. If any running back breaks it into the secondary, there is a 50% chance that it's going to the house.

Orakpo, Rocky, Fletcher, Big Al, Marco Mitchell, and Sellers had very good games. Seems like these are the players I want to stay next year.

Coaching...On the 4th and 1 call, there was a timeout. I wonder if Zorn Vetoed the call and called for the Sellers pass instead. I would bet money on it that he changed the play. Zorn has got to go.

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JC can't be clutch because he's getting killed. Come on. I'm not going to say that he could have got us the win on his own with a good line but I would like to see it.

I spent the day with Steelers fans who have watched all the Redskins games. They live here in DC. They, as a group say that JC is not being used correctly. He's also not being protected and regardless of who's in there at QB, they would get killed.
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Got a trade for you then... Soup for Rothlesberger

WHAT???

These are my thoughts following this game:

- This is the offseason to rebuild an offensive line, let go of a few troublemakers, and look for some young undiscovered talent at the RB and QB positions (i.e., late-round picks: experiments). Sign an aging vet to play quarterback for next year, and look to sign a younger vet in the mold of Betts who is let go by their team this year to play RB next season. Draft 2-4 offensive linemen and sign another 2 in free agency. Revamp that front office and get a new head coach in town. (HC gets to decide who his coordinators will be.) Play tough through next year, with an eye on being a serious competitor starting in the year following. After next year, with a young and growing-in-skill OL, you look to get a quality QB and/or RB through the draft and/or free agency.

- I've got a strange feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout next year.

- If 2010 and an uncapped year isn't the time to cut the fat from this decomposing team, I don't know when we could. I now believe that we have some growing cancers that must be removed.

- AH was worth the money. He could get a season-ending injury next week and I'd probably still think that. What a difference a legitimate DT makes.

- I would say that we have the most overrated secondary in the league, but I don't think anyone really respects us any more. Horton is about the only player I'd try hard to keep going into next year. I don't know what happened to Landry. It's like he got shell-shocked at some point and has never returned to form.

- If I became GM for a day when this season ends, I'd immediately release Portis, Sellers, ARE, Moss, either Hall or Rogers (but only one of them), and probably Landry. Campbell could stay as a backup QB. (I think he'd make a good backup: generally safe, well-paced and poised, can come in and manage a game.) Moss could stay if he returned kicks and played slot receiver. Who will replace them? Well, let's just say that a rebuilding phase can't get much worse, and at least this way we free up a ton of money and make space for talent that's willing to fight tooth and nail for a shot in this league. Enough with players who have a sense of entitlement. We need Art Monks, Brian Mitchells, and Hogs.

And for the record, I cannot believe the coaches are allowing Rogers and Hall to play with 10-yard cushions. Seems to run against everything this defense needs to be doing.

IrnBru said:

- I've got a strange feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout next year.

I have a feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout THIS year...

Countertrey wrote:IrnBru said:

- I've got a strange feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout next year.

I have a feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout THIS year...

I think our coaches move a little too slowly for that. Case in point: punt returns.

Irn-Bru wrote:And for the record, I cannot believe the coaches are allowing Rogers and Hall to play with 10-yard cushions. Seems to run against everything this defense needs to be doing.

I have a feeling that the coaches are REQUIRING it...

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:IrnBru said:

- I've got a strange feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout next year.

I have a feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout THIS year...

I think our coaches move a little too slowly for that. Case in point: punt returns.

The difference is, the first string Punt Returner is already an established failure. We have no established failure at the #2 receiver slot!

Countertrey wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:And for the record, I cannot believe the coaches are allowing Rogers and Hall to play with 10-yard cushions. Seems to run against everything this defense needs to be doing.

I have a feeling that the coaches are REQUIRING it...

That doesn't seem like Blache or Grey to me. I recall a couple of years ago, when Rogers was having this problem, he said that it was a confidence issue for him.

Could be, though. Whoever is making the call, I can't understand it.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I watched the whole game. Here's my :

- Good God, put Daniels in rotation at DT and put Orakpo's hand down. I realize that a theory could be we're waiting for Phillip to retire so we don't sit him in the bench, but I watched Orakpo power thru two defenders for a sack. HE'S A FREAKIN DEFENSIVE END!!!!

Finally, someone with some sense has chimed in on Orakpo. I have been screaming this from Game 1... Why would you draft the number one DE coming out and then make him a LB???? Yes, he will have to learn to play the run better but I'd take my chances and put the LBs in better position to help that side on the run....


Trade something to get up to take C.J. Spiller from Clemson. I'm a Clemson fan and I've watched him and Jacoby Ford become the best RB/WR tandem in the nation. Kid racked up 300+ yards against a good Fla. State team yesterday... He's the back I'd try to get...

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:And for the record, I cannot believe the coaches are allowing Rogers and Hall to play with 10-yard cushions. Seems to run against everything this defense needs to be doing.

I have a feeling that the coaches are REQUIRING it...

That doesn't seem like Blache or Grey to me. I recall a couple of years ago, when Rogers was having this problem, he said that it was a confidence issue for him.

Could be, though. Whoever is making the call, I can't understand it.

They're not only defending against the opponents' offense but the REDSKINS offense as well.

If you have even a modicum of trust in your offense, you can go for tighter coverage, jump more routes, etc., and live with the risk of getting burned for six.

But this offense? It's most likely by choice they give up the in-front stuff and hope the fundamentally challenged secondary can make a professional tackle.

roybus14 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I watched the whole game. Here's my My 2 cents :

- Good God, put Daniels in rotation at DT and put Orakpo's hand down. I realize that a theory could be we're waiting for Phillip to retire so we don't sit him in the bench, but I watched Orakpo power thru two defenders for a sack. HE'S A FREAKIN DEFENSIVE END!!!!
HTTR

Finally, someone with some sense has chimed in on Orakpo. I have been screaming this from Game 1... Why would you draft the number one DE coming out and then make him a LB???? Yes, he will have to learn to play the run better but I'd take my chances and put the LBs in better position to help that side on the run....


Trade something to get up to take C.J. Spiller from Clemson. I'm a Clemson fan and I've watched him and Jacoby Ford become the best RB/WR tandem in the nation. Kid racked up 300+ yards against a good Fla. State team yesterday... He's the back I'd try to get...

Roy,
I'm not trying to bust on your post in several topic's but FSU is terrible on D. NC State (Who I root for) hung 42 points on the last week. They are maybe 2nd to last in the ACC and the bottom of the NCAA in defense. That's why Mickey Andrews is retiring.

I do like Spiller though but if we are going to take a back in the draft, pick up a guy like Mark Ingram from Alabama. That dude is nuts. But he's gonna need to be there in the 2nd round or later.

Countertrey wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:IrnBru said:

- I've got a strange feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout next year.

I have a feeling that Mitchell will be a #2 wideout THIS year...

I think our coaches move a little too slowly for that. Case in point: punt returns.

The difference is, the first string Punt Returner is already an established failure. We have no established failure at the #2 receiver slot!

I believe the failure at the punt retuner spot is the same failure at his #2 spot...

Take away the INT and two long runs and the REdskins were in this game.

It's sad that our once-proud franchise has to play the "if-only..." game week in and week out.

Once upon a time this franchise was known for its winning tradition; we now have a new tradition of using loser speak after every game.

I ain't pinning it all on Danny, but I do place it solely in the hands of those he hired, who've run this team ragged.

This game against ATL was the final nail in the coffin for the season. The team should just focus on practicing for the two Cowboys game for the remainder of the year, in order to win those two, and just lose the rest for better draft positioning for the new front office coming in next year.

I saw a lot of good in todays game. A lot of bad too.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:And for the record, I cannot believe the coaches are allowing Rogers and Hall to play with 10-yard cushions. Seems to run against everything this defense needs to be doing.

I have a feeling that the coaches are REQUIRING it...

That doesn't seem like Blache or Grey to me. I recall a couple of years ago, when Rogers was having this problem, he said that it was a confidence issue for him.

Could be, though. Whoever is making the call, I can't understand it.

They may not be REQUIRING it, but it sure looks they're not doing anything to correct it. This team is lazy and undisciplined with the exception of a few players.

This not a team - this is a group of players - we are a long way from being called a 'team' - I must admit that I have become a Haynesworth fan and I look forward to his being a part of this franchise BUT the offside jump on the first play and then again on the 4th and 1 is just indicative of a lot of things that happen when a group of players are not a team

this franchise needs a lot of help - I agree with welch, while I thought we could turn this around in a couple of years, this is more likely a 3 year project from what we just saw from a group of players that are coming off a bye week

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I saw a lot of good in todays game. A lot of bad too.

A lot of the good came via the backups.

Irn-Bru wrote:And for the record, I cannot believe the coaches are allowing Rogers and Hall to play with 10-yard cushions. Seems to run against everything this defense needs to be doing.

Rogers' cushion is so big, he doesn't even show up on my 50" plasma half the time... seriously though, the coaches see teams throw in front of that cushion every week when a team needs a first down, but they keep doing it... that just tells me they really have no confidence in his cover skills at all...

ATX_Skins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:The difference is, the first string Punt Returner is already an established failure. We have no established failure at the #2 receiver slot!

I believe the failure at the punt retuner spot is the same failure at his #2 spot...

ARE isn't the #2 wideout. Thomas / Kelley is, depending on the week.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:And for the record, I cannot believe the coaches are allowing Rogers and Hall to play with 10-yard cushions. Seems to run against everything this defense needs to be doing.

I have a feeling that the coaches are REQUIRING it...

That doesn't seem like Blache or Grey to me. I recall a couple of years ago, when Rogers was having this problem, he said that it was a confidence issue for him.

Could be, though. Whoever is making the call, I can't understand it.

You don't have both starting CBs 10 yards off the ball every game without it being a coaching scheme. It IS the coaches.