Gibbs Returning??

[SkinsJock]

WAIT a minute! - I hear that there's a new ESPN movie in the works. It's about the re-birth of a once famous NFL franchise and Tom Cruise is going to play the owner

[langleyparkjoe]

WAIT a minute! - I hear that there's a new ESPN movie in the works. It's about the re-birth of a once famous NFL franchise and Tom Cruise is going to play the owner

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaa

[CanesSkins26]

If you can, listen to ESPN 980. They are going to have Mike Florio who ran the story and Bethard today also. The show is running now.

Listening to Van Pelt was funny.

[frankcal20]

He sounds exactly how we feel....


uuhhhhhhh (sigh)

[frankcal20]

Here is what Bethard said:

- He isn't coming back to Washington. He's retired w/ grandkids, etc

- Difference when they were there: Everyone is on the same page.

- When things are bad in Washington, they are 1000 x's harder than in other cities.

- JKC considered bringing back Coach Allen when the Skins went 0-5 in Gibbs 1.0.

- JKC left decisions up to team, etc

- Has not spoke with Snyder in a while.

- If Danny came to Bethard for advice, he would decline to offer anything. Thinks that it wouldn't be his field b/c he has been out of it for a while.
- You have a feel on how NFL teams work: He would use NE and Denver as an example where the HC and GM work hand in hand. Coaches were involved with personnel and HC and position coaches involved with decisions on FA's and draft picks. Pat's have a great working relationship with GM but that type of structure works. It's hard for someone to be the one voice and when coaches say they want ultimate control is too much. Scouts see everything. More than coaches so to be able to get those depts. to work together is tough.

- Rumor about Gibbs 3.0: Thinks Joe has been successful at everything he's done. He has a talent for that. He could work with everyone and not be a meddler and do that they were brought in to do. Thinks Gibbs' personality who could make it work and that model can work if you get the right people in there to do the job.

- Bethard agree's the the owner more or less needs to take a step back and let a football mind run the show.

- He isn't going to come back b/c he loves mountain biking and surfing.

- He still watches the Redskins often and said it was the best part of is professional career.

[PulpExposure]

Can't say that he's the right guy for the job. We need someone in here that will say NO to Dan Snyder. Someone who will tell him flat out that what he's thinking isn't going to work and here are the reason's why.,....

He's the only one that Dan will allow to make any decisions, though.

He's also the only one who Snyder lets call him "Dan," and not Mr. Snyder.

What a d-bag.

[FireVinny]

I would prefer that Gibbs have input on the hiring of a new GM. Even if he doesn't stay on board afterwards, I trust his judgment in picking a strong candidate better than I do Mr. Danny's. Without him, I'm sure Danny is going to screw it up again.

[LORD GIBBS]

Posted by Mike Florio on October 22, 2009 9:40 AM ET
As the Washington Redskins continue to quickly unravel, the man who delivered the team's only three Super Bowl trophies could soon be coming back.

Again.

There's a rumor making the rounds that two-time former head coach Joe Gibbs could be returning in a role similar to the one occupied by Bill Parcells in Miami. Gibbs would be responsible for hiring a G.M. and a head coach, and otherwise stabilizing the franchise without grinding away as a head coach.

We reported earlier this month that owner Daniel Snyder still consults with Gibbs, and that the two men had dinner in Charlotte the night before the Redskins' loss to the Panthers.

For now, it's just a rumor. And it possibly flows from the fact that it makes a lot of sense.

Then again, the fact that it makes so much sense probably means it won't happen.

[url]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/22/joe-gibbs-could-be-taking-a-tuna-style-role-

There on Crack no way he' coming back

[Countertrey]

Oh God, this sounds great... but:

Gibbs has allegedly never fired anyone before. Do you want the president of the team to be kind of soft?

On the other hand, Joe Gibbs is a good judge of talent for coaches. He's a smart man and people like to work for him. If he was the president of the team and could hire his own coach and general manager that would be a dream scenario.

Both points may be true, however, when you run the show, YOU don't have to fire anyone... you hire someone for that job. As the CEO, his VP of Operations would be responsible for all hiring any, ultimately, firing.

Don't forget that Joe Gibbs runs a world class, competitive, multiteam NASCAR shop, in a sport that is every bit as complex as the NFL. When he want's someone to leave... he has a way of getting that done.



The problem is... JJG is not going to come back to this. Y'all are just tormenting yourselves.

[RayNAustin]

I think it would be better if Danny took Redskin 1 out to San Diego and convinced Bobby Beathard to take over the team ... full control .. here's your suitcase full of money ... now go get me a Super Bowl or two.

[Skinsfan55]

I think it would be better if Danny took Redskin 1 out to San Diego and convinced Bobby Beathard to take over the team ... full control .. here's your suitcase full of money ... now go get me a Super Bowl or two.

That is a horrible, horrible idea. Bobby Beathard had a great run but he's retired, with grandkids and the game has probably past him by.

[DEHog]

I think it would be better if Danny took Redskin 1 out to San Diego and convinced Bobby Beathard to take over the team ... full control .. here's your suitcase full of money ... now go get me a Super Bowl or two.

Well we have a Bingo called why not a surfer??

[Thundersloth]

I think it would be better if Danny took Redskin 1 out to San Diego and convinced Bobby Beathard to take over the team ... full control .. here's your suitcase full of money ... now go get me a Super Bowl or two.

That is a horrible, horrible idea. Bobby Beathard had a great run but he's retired, with grandkids and the game has probably past him by.

I see your point Skinsfan, this isn't the same NFL that Beathard had so much success with back in the 80's. I would have reservations about how he would fit a roster with good starters and some depth behind them under the salary cap. The one thing I wouldn't have reservations about is his ability to evaluate talent through due diligence, something that the current FO doesn't seem to care about.

[chiefhog44]

I think it's going totake something like this for DS to even begin to get back into the good graces of the fan base...I'm hoping JG doesn't do it. IMO this franchise needs to put the 80's team behind them and find their own identity. I'd rather see Dungy in this role.

As I mentioned earlier this week...

This is why I propose the following. Bring in Tony Dungy as the Team President. Let him select a GM, coaching staff and players. Give him a slice of ownership. It would make perfect sense. Dungy wants to be an activist in this stage of life, wants to play in lobbying for his causes, and what better place to do it then in DC. This would bring a positive aura back to the team. Hell you could do it with Gibbs too, but I think he's too old.

[chiefhog44]

I don't like the idea of bringing him back. First off, who is he going to hire? I would imagine it would come down to what scheme he wants the Skins to install. Considering he didn't even know what type of scheme HE wanted to run, I highly doubt that he would know who to fire. What scheme you want to run dictates who you are going to hire, both at GM and as coach. I don't think he understands what scheme is needed to win anymore. There are only a handful people that I would trust in this role...Parcells, Dungy, Marty and maybe Holmgren.

[RayNAustin]

I think it would be better if Danny took Redskin 1 out to San Diego and convinced Bobby Beathard to take over the team ... full control .. here's your suitcase full of money ... now go get me a Super Bowl or two.

That is a horrible, horrible idea. Bobby Beathard had a great run but he's retired, with grandkids and the game has probably past him by.

And this is your expert opinion based on what exactly? The man built teams in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. KC, Miami, Washington, and San Diego. There isn't a man alive that can match his resume, nor his ability to judge talent.

You think he's forgotten how to judge football talent? You think 4 decades is a good run ... but ... ?

You'd argue with a free meal.

[HEROHAMO]

Nothing I would love more then for this to happen. President of operations would be perfect.

To anybody who is against Gibbs coming back!

Just think to yourself is it better then Vinny running the football operations?Then tell me if you think it is a bad idea.

[Manchester_Redskin]

the best way Joe Gibbs could help this team now would be to tell synder to sell up and move to dallas.

[Skinsfan55]

I think it would be better if Danny took Redskin 1 out to San Diego and convinced Bobby Beathard to take over the team ... full control .. here's your suitcase full of money ... now go get me a Super Bowl or two.

That is a horrible, horrible idea. Bobby Beathard had a great run but he's retired, with grandkids and the game has probably past him by.

And this is your expert opinion based on what exactly? The man built teams in the 1960's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. KC, Miami, Washington, and San Diego. There isn't a man alive that can match his resume, nor his ability to judge talent.

You think he's forgotten how to judge football talent? You think 4 decades is a good run ... but ... ?

You'd argue with a free meal.

Earlier in the thread, this was relayed straight from Bobby Beathard via a call in radio show:

Quote:
Here is what Bethard said:

- He isn't coming back to Washington. He's retired w/ grandkids, etc

- Difference when they were there: Everyone is on the same page.

- When things are bad in Washington, they are 1000 x's harder than in other cities.

- JKC considered bringing back Coach Allen when the Skins went 0-5 in Gibbs 1.0.

- JKC left decisions up to team, etc

- Has not spoke with Snyder in a while.

- If Danny came to Bethard for advice, he would decline to offer anything. Thinks that it wouldn't be his field b/c he has been out of it for a while.

- You have a feel on how NFL teams work: He would use NE and Denver as an example where the HC and GM work hand in hand. Coaches were involved with personnel and HC and position coaches involved with decisions on FA's and draft picks. Pat's have a great working relationship with GM but that type of structure works. It's hard for someone to be the one voice and when coaches say they want ultimate control is too much. Scouts see everything. More than coaches so to be able to get those depts. to work together is tough.

- Rumor about Gibbs 3.0: Thinks Joe has been successful at everything he's done. He has a talent for that. He could work with everyone and not be a meddler and do that they were brought in to do. Thinks Gibbs' personality who could make it work and that model can work if you get the right people in there to do the job.

- Bethard agree's the the owner more or less needs to take a step back and let a football mind run the show.

- He isn't going to come back b/c he loves mountain biking and surfing.

- He still watches the Redskins often and said it was the best part of is professional career.

So, pretty much exactly what I said. Even the man himself says he's been out of it too long and there's no way he's coming back.

[DEHog]

I think it's going totake something like this for DS to even begin to get back into the good graces of the fan base...I'm hoping JG doesn't do it. IMO this franchise needs to put the 80's team behind them and find their own identity. I'd rather see Dungy in this role.

As I mentioned earlier this week...

This is why I propose the following. Bring in Tony Dungy as the Team President. Let him select a GM, coaching staff and players. Give him a slice of ownership. It would make perfect sense. Dungy wants to be an activist in this stage of life, wants to play in lobbying for his causes, and what better place to do it then in DC. This would bring a positive aura back to the team. Hell you could do it with Gibbs too, but I think he's too old.

Totally agree Dungy is the perfect candidate, he will also bring a moral compass that Snyder desperately needs. The more I hear about things in Ashburn the more I realize this is about more than football DS need a philosophical change in the way he runs the team. Dungy did wonder for Irsay.

[SkinsJock]

Count me in as well - not sure that Dungy could be persuaded but we need someone as a buffer and to manage things - while I would not rule Gibbs out I'm not sure that he or his family want to get involved again and I'm not that sure that he's going to make things right here without a bigger commitment than he's able to give

This franchise needs a change in culture and Snyder needs a means to an end - getting someone in here to manage things but at least making it look like Snyder is still involved might be the way - there is going to be something that Snyder will come up with that makes him look great - you can count on that, he is a conniving piece of work

[Irn-Bru]

Can you imagine Dungy as president, a real GM, and Gibbs as coach? Assuming everyone had the power behind their title, even I wouldn't mind Snyder in that scenario.

[Countertrey]

I love Dungy, and think he, like Gibbs, is one of the few people who can walk into an organization and give it instant credibility. The problem is, Dungy has a very similar, FAMILY centered value system to the one Gibbs has. He's keeping himself busy with family, and doing consultations and in public service. Why would he commit to this disaster?

[Irn-Bru]

A man can dream, Trey. Leave me with my fantasy in the midst of this disaster.

[DEHog]

I love Dungy, and think he, like Gibbs, is one of the few people who can walk into an organization and give it instant credibility. The problem is, Dungy has a very similar, FAMILY centered value system to the one Gibbs has. He's keeping himself busy with family, and doing consultations and in public service. Why would he commit to this disaster?

Same reason he committed to another disaster named Vick???

Dungy does alot with FCA and runs in those circles with Sherman Smith, Gregg Williams, Les Steckle to name a few...maybe after the kids are gone...be a nice payday to do alot of good with!!