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Redskin in Canada wrote:

DEHog wrote:Does Danny put gag orders in contracts??

Yes, Dan Snyder is known to have produced contracts with compensation packages for former employees with this condition of silence (or your money back in terms of a legal action!). Some of these contracts were offered to those who were downsized as recently as the past offseason from the marketing branch of Front Office.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that non-disclosures are a very common practice in employment contracts and settlements. Last thing a company wants is to settle with an disgruntled employee, paying them good money, and then let that person run their mouth off about the company.

This doesn't in any way dispute the fact that Snyder has acted like a total jerk with respect to Zorn. But the practice described above is a common one, and not indicative in the least of Snyder's jerkiness.

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's what I don't get. If Zorn is positioning himself to keep the money, why meet Snyder half-way on ANY of this? If it was me, I'd take the 'RiC' route and say "Sorry, Danny, but I'm calling the plays, and Campbell is starting this week. Fire me if you want, but as long as I'm HC we're going to do things my way on Sunday. I'm just trying to do my best to win. And as long as I'm the coach, that's exactly what I'm going to do."

I said the same thing but I'm hearng this could be seen as a breach of contract?? And he could stand to lose money...would be interesting to see the contract!!

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's what I don't get. If Zorn is positioning himself to keep the money, why meet Snyder half-way on ANY of this? If it was me, I'd take the 'RiC' route and say "Sorry, Danny, but I'm calling the plays, and Campbell is starting this week. Fire me if you want, but as long as I'm HC we're going to do things my way on Sunday. I'm just trying to do my best to win. And as long as I'm the coach, that's exactly what I'm going to do."

Probably because he's (Snyder) the boss, and if his employee refuses to follow instructions, he can fire him for cause and not pay him.

If you read between the lines in Zorn's comments ... he thought about it and agreed to "comply". So it wasn't a "suggestion" it was an order.

Wilbon says Snyder wants him to resign so he doesn't have to appear heavy handed. I think Wilbon is nuts. Synder wants to force him to resign so he doesn't have to pay him, period. And I'd do the same thing if I were Zorn ... that is if I could maintain my temper and not beat the crap outta that little "George Castanza with more hair".

frankcal20 wrote:See I was thinking the same thing!!!

Is that a partial agreement?

Hey, I'm in agreement with a change at QB, though at this point, not because I think it will be a magic pill that cures all ills of this offense.

I see that we are in the same or even worse situation on the 0-line than we were for the final games last year, and we all know how that turned out.

Campbell, even when he gets pass pro still misses too many opportunities, and this has been a constant. Though I doubt Collins will provide enough improvement to cause a major turnaround at this point, there is little else that can be changed and you have to try something.

Do I think Collins is better? Yes. Do I think he's good enough to overcome what has become even a worse o-line than the second half of last year? No ... at least not enough to rack up 26 points per game like he did in 2007.

What Collins does bring to the table is the quickness and accuracy that Campbell lacks. That might make a one TD difference given all the other issues ... 0-line ... play calling ... and the entire soap opera IF they adjust the play calling to Collins strengths, and keep Portis in the game to block.

If the defense can keep them close ... and they can give Collins a little pass pro ... that one TD difference would have been enough to have the Redskins at 4-2 now instead of 2-4 and things wouldn't be quite as bleak.

Campbell is a coach killer, and it doesn't appear that Zorn needs that kind of help.

frankcal20 wrote:Zorn can easily get another job in the league. It will probably be a QB coach. I would be surprised to see him get an O Cord. position after he leaves here just based off the lack of offensive production and we know he won't be a HC.

Correct QB coach with a WCO team.

RayNAustin wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:See I was thinking the same thing!!!

Is that a partial agreement?

Hey, I'm in agreement with a change at QB, though at this point, not because I think it will be a magic pill that cures all ills of this offense.

I see that we are in the same or even worse situation on the 0-line than we were for the final games last year, and we all know how that turned out.

Campbell, even when he gets pass pro still misses too many opportunities, and this has been a constant. Though I doubt Collins will provide enough improvement to cause a major turnaround at this point, there is little else that can be changed and you have to try something.

Do I think Collins is better? Yes. Do I think he's good enough to overcome what has become even a worse o-line than the second half of last year? No ... at least not enough to rack up 26 points per game like he did in 2007.

What Collins does bring to the table is the quickness and accuracy that Campbell lacks. That might make a one TD difference given all the other issues ... 0-line ... play calling ... and the entire soap opera IF they adjust the play calling to Collins strengths, and keep Portis in the game to block.

If the defense can keep them close ... and they can give Collins a little pass pro ... that one TD difference would have been enough to have the Redskins at 4-2 now instead of 2-4 and things wouldn't be quite as bleak.

Campbell is a coach killer, and it doesn't appear that Zorn needs that kind of help.

Ray,
Give it up man! There are certain people here that will never agree with you on this subject. I have agreed with almost everthing you have said this year and am in 100% with you on the hole JC/TC deal.
I can't see why people can't get the idea that it isn't working with JC why not try TC, but they never will. So don't bother, you are just,,,

Well, at least I have a Bingo caller agreeing with me. And it looks like he's the new OC on the staff.

Be interesting to see who actually starts on Monday night. Who wins the authority battle?

OH, I forgot ... Sonny agrees with me too ... he said 2 weeks ago that the Redskins would be 4-0 had Collins been the starter at the beginning of the the season.

I think Sonny knows a thing or two about being a QB.

Didnt Collins have the furthest "hand to hands" pass so far this year.

I'm just sayin Campbell has had a lot of help from YAC every year...

PulpExposure wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

DEHog wrote:Does Danny put gag orders in contracts??

Yes, Dan Snyder is known to have produced contracts with compensation packages for former employees with this condition of silence (or your money back in terms of a legal action!). Some of these contracts were offered to those who were downsized as recently as the past offseason from the marketing branch of Front Office.

As a lawyer, I can tell you that non-disclosures are a very common practice in employment contracts and settlements. Last thing a company wants is to settle with an disgruntled employee, paying them good money, and then let that person run their mouth off about the company.

This doesn't in any way dispute the fact that Snyder has acted like a total jerk with respect to Zorn. But the practice described above is a common one, and not indicative in the least of Snyder's jerkiness.

Agreed on all counts.

Will Vinny Cerrato get a similar deal? He better because if he writes a book about it all, he could get a multi-million-dollar best seller!

I hope JZ stays firm and says "JC is starting, that's final".. then.. then.. JC runs for a TD, JC throws 3 TD passes- ey, Sellars, ARE, and has 348 passing yards.

If that does happen, I may totally urinate on myself. but it has to happen EXACTLY like that..

langleyparkjoe wrote:I hope JZ stays firm and says "JC is starting, that's final".. then.. then.. JC runs for a TD, JC throws 3 TD passes- ey, Sellars, ARE, and has 348 passing yards.

If that does happen, I may totally urinate on myself. but it has to happen EXACTLY like that..

I think you already did

RayNAustin wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's what I don't get. If Zorn is positioning himself to keep the money, why meet Snyder half-way on ANY of this? If it was me, I'd take the 'RiC' route and say "Sorry, Danny, but I'm calling the plays, and Campbell is starting this week. Fire me if you want, but as long as I'm HC we're going to do things my way on Sunday. I'm just trying to do my best to win. And as long as I'm the coach, that's exactly what I'm going to do."

Probably because he's (Snyder) the boss, and if his employee refuses to follow instructions, he can fire him for cause and not pay him.

If you read between the lines in Zorn's comments ... he thought about it and agreed to "comply". So it wasn't a "suggestion" it was an order.

Wilbon says Snyder wants him to resign so he doesn't have to appear heavy handed. I think Wilbon is nuts. Synder wants to force him to resign so he doesn't have to pay him, period. And I'd do the same thing if I were Zorn ... that is if I could maintain my temper and not beat the crap outta that little "George Castanza with more hair".

I think he did it because he is afraid to stand-up to DS. Just like Zorn has been unable to get this team inspired to play football, because he is not a leader, and will not take a stand; rarely do I see Zorn show any "positive" emotion. He is never fired up, except when he is trying to challenge a play that cannot be challenged, then he gets all fired up when the ref tells him no and explains why to him.

I have a hard time believing it's about the money for Snyder, the guys is loaded and has the 2nd most valuable NFL franchise. And how much would he even owe Zorn, I can't imagine he got a lucrative deal, going from QB coach to HC. If it was about the money, he would start selling "Fire Zorn" shirts at the games and use that money to pay the remaining salary for Zorn. For Snyder, I believe it is about his ego, he knows he was wrong to hire Zorn, but doesn't want to come right out and prove that he was wrong by firing him; rather, he wants Zorn to resign and then DS can spin the story to something like "it was a mutual decision and Zorn felt it was better for the team for him to resign."

JCaptMorgan12 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's what I don't get. If Zorn is positioning himself to keep the money, why meet Snyder half-way on ANY of this? If it was me, I'd take the 'RiC' route and say "Sorry, Danny, but I'm calling the plays, and Campbell is starting this week. Fire me if you want, but as long as I'm HC we're going to do things my way on Sunday. I'm just trying to do my best to win. And as long as I'm the coach, that's exactly what I'm going to do."

Probably because he's (Snyder) the boss, and if his employee refuses to follow instructions, he can fire him for cause and not pay him.

If you read between the lines in Zorn's comments ... he thought about it and agreed to "comply". So it wasn't a "suggestion" it was an order.

Wilbon says Snyder wants him to resign so he doesn't have to appear heavy handed. I think Wilbon is nuts. Synder wants to force him to resign so he doesn't have to pay him, period. And I'd do the same thing if I were Zorn ... that is if I could maintain my temper and not beat the crap outta that little "George Castanza with more hair".

I think he did it because he is afraid to stand-up to DS. Just like Zorn has been unable to get this team inspired to play football, because he is not a leader, and will not take a stand; rarely do I see Zorn show any "positive" emotion. He is never fired up, except when he is trying to challenge a play that cannot be challenged, then he gets all fired up when the ref tells him no and explains why to him.

I have a hard time believing it's about the money for Snyder, the guys is loaded and has the 2nd most valuable NFL franchise. And how much would he even owe Zorn, I can't imagine he got a lucrative deal, going from QB coach to HC. If it was about the money, he would start selling "Fire Zorn" shirts at the games and use that money to pay the remaining salary for Zorn. For Snyder, I believe it is about his ego, he knows he was wrong to hire Zorn, but doesn't want to come right out and prove that he was wrong by firing him; rather, he wants Zorn to resign and then DS can spin the story to something like "it was a mutual decision and Zorn felt it was better for the team for him to resign."

Zorn isn't an idiot. He knew that Lewis was brought in to digest the offense in preparation for getting rid of him. And if he didn't know it then, he certainly new it when they handed the play calling to Lewis. Zorn knows he's a dead man walking, and figures he might as well walk with 4.5 Mil, versus leaving it on the table.

And don't think Snyder isn't concerned about the money. They've laid off staff ... they're suing ticket holders that can't pay.

How would you feel if you had a job with the Redskins making 35K and they laid you off citing the down turn in the economy, while signing big Al for 100 Mil ?

Creeps like Snyder will pay $1000 for a bottle of champagne, and leave a $10 tip.

Cappster wrote:LOL...This is the "days of our lives!" Something new comes out every day about this soap opera of a team.

More like "Daze" of our lives.

I can't help thinking that, in my country at least, Zorn could walk away now, and then sue for constructive dismissal. He was hired to be the head coach, and management have made it impossible for him to fulfill that role.

I think there is pride involved too and quiting is not something the Zorn is known for as he stated yesterday on the Jim Zorn segment of his radio show. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, this team won't quit and I don't quit.

RayNAustin wrote:

JCaptMorgan12 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Here's what I don't get. If Zorn is positioning himself to keep the money, why meet Snyder half-way on ANY of this? If it was me, I'd take the 'RiC' route and say "Sorry, Danny, but I'm calling the plays, and Campbell is starting this week. Fire me if you want, but as long as I'm HC we're going to do things my way on Sunday. I'm just trying to do my best to win. And as long as I'm the coach, that's exactly what I'm going to do."

Probably because he's (Snyder) the boss, and if his employee refuses to follow instructions, he can fire him for cause and not pay him.

If you read between the lines in Zorn's comments ... he thought about it and agreed to "comply". So it wasn't a "suggestion" it was an order.

Wilbon says Snyder wants him to resign so he doesn't have to appear heavy handed. I think Wilbon is nuts. Synder wants to force him to resign so he doesn't have to pay him, period. And I'd do the same thing if I were Zorn ... that is if I could maintain my temper and not beat the crap outta that little "George Castanza with more hair".

I think he did it because he is afraid to stand-up to DS. Just like Zorn has been unable to get this team inspired to play football, because he is not a leader, and will not take a stand; rarely do I see Zorn show any "positive" emotion. He is never fired up, except when he is trying to challenge a play that cannot be challenged, then he gets all fired up when the ref tells him no and explains why to him.

I have a hard time believing it's about the money for Snyder, the guys is loaded and has the 2nd most valuable NFL franchise. And how much would he even owe Zorn, I can't imagine he got a lucrative deal, going from QB coach to HC. If it was about the money, he would start selling "Fire Zorn" shirts at the games and use that money to pay the remaining salary for Zorn. For Snyder, I believe it is about his ego, he knows he was wrong to hire Zorn, but doesn't want to come right out and prove that he was wrong by firing him; rather, he wants Zorn to resign and then DS can spin the story to something like "it was a mutual decision and Zorn felt it was better for the team for him to resign."

Zorn isn't an idiot. He knew that Lewis was brought in to digest the offense in preparation for getting rid of him. And if he didn't know it then, he certainly new it when they handed the play calling to Lewis. Zorn knows he's a dead man walking, and figures he might as well walk with 4.5 Mil, versus leaving it on the table.

And don't think Snyder isn't concerned about the money. They've laid off staff ... they're suing ticket holders that can't pay.

How would you feel if you had a job with the Redskins making 35K and they laid you off citing the down turn in the economy, while signing big Al for 100 Mil ?

Creeps like Snyder will pay $1000 for a bottle of champagne, and leave a $10 tip.

Just because the Redskins organization are laying people off, doesn't mean Snyder is strapped financially. Look at the positions they laid off, there were people in positions that made the most sense in a down-turn economy, when people are not going to be spending the same amount of money on advertisements, PR, ticket sales, etc. When Snyder sells his house and private jet to big Al, then I will believe he is financially concerned...

RayNAustin wrote:Creeps like Snyder will pay $1000 for a bottle of champagne, and leave a $10 tip.

If I paid $1000 for Champagne (a nasty drink to begin with) the waitress would be lucky to get $10 from me (unless a lap dance came with it and then I might go $20). It doens't take any more effort to bring a $2 bottle of water or a $1000 bottle of anything .

So when a eat breakfast out and it only comes to $5 and I end up giving the waitress $2 if she did a great job am I being overly gerous, no. Even though that is 40% she did a lot more work than the server that brought the Champagne.

so he is already countering zorn


i wish no harm on zorn, but just fire him and let lewis be the interem

UK Skins Fan wrote:I can't help thinking that, in my country at least, Zorn could walk away now, and then sue for constructive dismissal. He was hired to be the head coach, and management have made it impossible for him to fulfill that role.

We don't have constructive dismissal here. And even if we did, I am not sure Zorn would win the arguement -- especially when he agreed to handing over the play calling. It would be a stretch. Also, the terms of walking away are generally ironed out in the contract. Based on contract law here, Snyder hasn't compromised the terms of the contract between the organization and Zorn (from what I know).

It most likely depends on what the term "head coach" in the definitions section of the contract, but from what I understand, as long as he is held out as the head coach, there is nothing he could do except wait to be fired.