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frankcal20 wrote:No it wasn't. And then you add on there that the WR's were not getting any separation for the D backs, there isn't much this offense has been good at this year and that starts with each player looking at himself asking what has he done to make this team better.

Yes, the receivers are a problem. However, if we had a qb that threw to spots as he is supposed to, as opposed to waiting until his receivers are open, it wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is. Fix the oline and qb and the receivers will be good enough for our offense to improve.

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Lol. Great pic, CLL!

Snyder must have walked in the room!!

Qucik question: Why on earth has Zorn agreed to this? If I'd have been in his shoes I'd have been "thanks, but no thanks. You want to fire me then go right ahead and do it but I will NOT allow you to cut off my you-know-what's". I honestly can't understand Zorn's thought process on this one. Anyone?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:No it wasn't. And then you add on there that the WR's were not getting any separation for the D backs, there isn't much this offense has been good at this year and that starts with each player looking at himself asking what has he done to make this team better.

Yes, the receivers are a problem. However, if we had a qb that threw to spots as he is supposed to, as opposed to waiting until his receivers are open, it wouldn't be as much of a problem as it is. Fix the oline and qb and the receivers will be good enough for our offense to improve.

Sorry. He was too busy running away for TB's d lineman to put the ball right on the money on every pass.

It sure doesn't seem like the fiery competitor that used to play for the Seahawks.

BearSkins wrote:Qucik question: Why on earth has Zorn agreed to this? If I'd have been in his shoes I'd have been "thanks, but no thanks. You want to fire me then go right ahead and do it but I will NOT allow you to cut off my you-know-what's". I honestly can't understand Zorn's thought process on this one. Anyone?

Great question I wondered the same thing my only guess is Snyder like his coches to resign he thinks it plays better in the media...so the chioce was give up playcalling or quit...Zorn said OK I give up playcalling. Coaches would rather be fired than quit ( unless you have a college job )

DEHog wrote:

BearSkins wrote:Qucik question: Why on earth has Zorn agreed to this? If I'd have been in his shoes I'd have been "thanks, but no thanks. You want to fire me then go right ahead and do it but I will NOT allow you to cut off my you-know-what's". I honestly can't understand Zorn's thought process on this one. Anyone?

Great question I wondered the same thing my only guess is Snyder like his coches to resign he thinks it plays better in the media...so the chioce was give up playcalling or quit...Zorn said OK I give up playcalling. Coaches would rather be fired than quit ( unless you have a college job )

He wont quit because if he quits he doesn't get paid. If he gets fired they have to still pay him the money remaining on his contract.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

BearSkins wrote:Qucik question: Why on earth has Zorn agreed to this? If I'd have been in his shoes I'd have been "thanks, but no thanks. You want to fire me then go right ahead and do it but I will NOT allow you to cut off my you-know-what's". I honestly can't understand Zorn's thought process on this one. Anyone?

Great question I wondered the same thing my only guess is Snyder like his coches to resign he thinks it plays better in the media...so the chioce was give up playcalling or quit...Zorn said OK I give up playcalling. Coaches would rather be fired than quit ( unless you have a college job )

He wont quit because if he quits he doesn't get paid. If he gets fired they have to still pay him the money remaining on his contract.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight... Spurrier Quit and didn't get paid right???

You can't make him quit. You can spin it that way (ala Steve Spurrier) but Zorn could just roll his eyes, say fire me or get off my jock, and walk out.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so

The league adapted to Zorn and he didn't adjust.

I've never ever believed that line...so why hasn't the League adapeted to Brady, Manning and Brees yet??

Exactly, that's a poor excuse for an answer. The answer is that teams realized that all they needed to do to beat us was to create pressure on the line. Our O-line is not good enough. It started in the Pittsburgh game and hasn't stopped. You can't adjust to your line being average with no depth.

Up until Samuels got hurt the oline was doing more than enough to give JC time to throw the ball. Right now the line is a joke. It was serviceable through the first 4 games and we still couldn't do anything on offense.

Dude, what games have you been watching? The o-line beginning with Pittsburgh has been horrible. I agree that if you add in there an average QB it makes matters worse, but to say they have been serviceable, your watching with blinders on. Look at the stats for Portis from the first 8 games and the last 8 games of last year. This year too. Our line sucks ass and has NO depth. How are you suppose to adjust to a bad line? Run for no yards and throw short all the time? Oh wait we're doing that.

JansenFan wrote:You can't make him quit. You can spin it that way (ala Steve Spurrier) but Zorn could just roll his eyes, say fire me or get off my jock, and walk out.

My point is Synder will pay you to say that ala SS.

DEHog wrote:This move is more dangerous than good in IMO. By all accounts Zorn still has the players support. Want to see what a team look like where the HC doesn’t…see Tenn.
Go back to Zorn’s first eight games when everyone was saying he was a great play caller.
Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so. Now insert Lewis or whoever… do we really think different play calling is the answer?? We still have major O-Line issues. Look at the Eagles yesterday against a bad team…Then look at what the Saints did to a very good D.

Agree 100%, DEHog. In fact, nowadays I can pretty much rely on you to tell it like it is. Every time I think I have something to say, I see that you've beat me to it and said it better than I could have myself.

Irn-Bru wrote:

DEHog wrote:This move is more dangerous than good in IMO. By all accounts Zorn still has the players support. Want to see what a team look like where the HC doesn’t…see Tenn.
Go back to Zorn’s first eight games when everyone was saying he was a great play caller.
Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so. Now insert Lewis or whoever… do we really think different play calling is the answer?? We still have major O-Line issues. Look at the Eagles yesterday against a bad team…Then look at what the Saints did to a very good D.

Agree 100%, DEHog. In fact, nowadays I can pretty much rely on you to tell it like it is. Every time I think I have something to say, I see that you've beat me to it and said it better than I could have myself.

That funny because that true for you as well!

It just the coach in me...it's so hard to do it at the youth level, let alone HS. I can't even imagine what its like at the Pro level..but every year the fact remains we live and die on offense by our OL play.

This move is like putting a band aid over a chainsaw wound. But I guess that's the best we're gonna get till the end of the season.

Lynard*SKINSard wrote:This move is like putting a band aid over a chainsaw wound. But I guess that's the best we're gonna get till the end of the season.

Or to use Parcells analogy it’s like asking me to cook a gourmet meal, after you did my grocery shopping and got me crappy ingredients, then fired me when the meal sucked.

That's still one of the best analogies in the history of the game ever.

I'm ashamed of how they are treating Zorn. I don't think you can lay all of the blame on Zorn. It's as much the fault of the FO poor decision to leapfrog him from QB coach to head coach. I think he does need to go, but fire him ... don't publicly castrate him like this. He doesn't deserve to be Humiliated. Either fire him, or run the course of the remainder of the season with him.

True, his offense is putrid, and as one article recently attributed to a defensive coach from another team, the Redskin offense is plain and simple. Not much of a challenge for defensive coordinators to game plan against.

And yes ... it has a lot to do with coaching. You have Randle El still back there looking like an idiot on punt returns .. why? You don't have your best back in the backfield on 3rd downs, and Betts cannot even chip block in pass pro. You have Heyer whiffing on blocks at the most important position on the o-line, and then there is play calling.

Play calls like last week, running a stretch play from the endzone is simply asinine. This week you get a 70 yard run to the 10 and go with an empty backfield against a defense ranked last ??? ... basically telling them ... we're passing. These kinds of decisions aren't going to help a team that is struggling. You have Kelly and Thomas playing revolving #2 ... and just when you think it can't get any worse than last week, it got worse this week.

Hindsight is 20/20, but it was obviously a huge mistake not to hire GW as the HC, Saunders as the OC and Blache as the DC.

This stripping of the play calling duty is just more of the same nonsense from a FO that should be looking into the mirror if they want to see who's to blame for this nightmare on the beltway.

Cough up the freaking money Danny, and let Zorn go with some dignity. Don't put him on the sideline with a dunce cap on, while Lewis calls out B43 ... N26 ...G19.

Totally disgusting is the offense ... even more disgusting is the response to that from Snyder.

Irn-Bru wrote:

DEHog wrote:This move is more dangerous than good in IMO. By all accounts Zorn still has the players support. Want to see what a team look like where the HC doesn’t…see Tenn.
Go back to Zorn’s first eight games when everyone was saying he was a great play caller.
Than the last eight he wasn’t…what changed?? I’ll tell you what the O-Line. Zorn didn’t forget how to call plays he doesn’t have the personnel to do so. Now insert Lewis or whoever… do we really think different play calling is the answer?? We still have major O-Line issues. Look at the Eagles yesterday against a bad team…Then look at what the Saints did to a very good D.

Agree 100%, DEHog. In fact, nowadays I can pretty much rely on you to tell it like it is. Every time I think I have something to say, I see that you've beat me to it and said it better than I could have myself.

Well that didn't take long...Did you see Santana quote last night when asked about Lewis calling plays..."Its every man for himself"

Yep. That's a great team mindset to foster, is it not?

I think that's the mindset that the owner has put in place. We are willing to screw everyone here.

The bad thing about Lewis is he has very little experience calling plays. It was one of the major reasons he never got that head coaching gig in the late 90's. He is no better, a maybe a little worse than Zorn.

I think Vinny is trying anything at this point b/c hopefully he knows that he's gone.