But Zorn lost me as a fan. I give up on the guy as HC.
It is during tough times that a leader shows competence and accountability. He has shown none on the field, on the locker room and press conferences. He is in denial.
QFT. I'm done with him as well. See is so far in over his head that he has lost touch with reality. Up until today I was thinking that it would be a mistake to fire him during the season, but at this point the idea of firing Zorn and making Blache interim HC sounds rather appealing.
Unless the FO decided to make Blache the HC for at least the next season or two, it would be suicide to get rid of Zorn throughout the regular season.
No self-respecting coach would take a job from Snyder. Still, no self-respecting individual might even under different circumstances but that is another story.
I would love to know how many coaches/people warned Zorn to not start his HC career here??
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DEHog wrote:I would love to know how many coaches/people warned Zorn to not start his HC career here??
So what are you saying Snyder is doing to screw up Zorn? I see Zorn's issues as created by Zorn. I also think that while he's struggling, he's also only a second year coach and isn't being given much of a chance to develop. Though I wouldn't blame Snyder who's also more a victim then a cause of the intolerant DC Sports environment.
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KazooSkinsFan wrote:Though I wouldn't blame Snyder who's also more a victim then a cause of the intolerant DC Sports environment.
Freaking victim making MILLIONS and MILLIONS with a MEDIOCRE operation. You are breaking my heart, Kaz.
You ALMOST convinced me to feel pain for tha man.
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
DEHog wrote:I would love to know how many coaches/people warned Zorn to not start his HC career here??
So what are you saying Snyder is doing to screw up Zorn? I see Zorn's issues as created by Zorn. I also think that while he's struggling, he's also only a second year coach and isn't being given much of a chance to develop. Though I wouldn't blame Snyder who's also more a victim then a cause of the intolerant DC Sports environment.
I think you even debated yourself on that one Not sure how you came to that conclusion...That he could screw up Zorn...I guess by firing him before the contract is up??
I'm have been and still am (check the boards) a believer that Snyder should allow him to coach out the contract!! The media since when do you run an organization based on what the media says??
"Sean Taylor is hands down the best athlete I've ever coached it's not even close" Gregg Williams 2005 Mini-Camp
DEHog wrote:I would love to know how many coaches/people warned Zorn to not start his HC career here??
So what are you saying Snyder is doing to screw up Zorn? I see Zorn's issues as created by Zorn. I also think that while he's struggling, he's also only a second year coach and isn't being given much of a chance to develop. Though I wouldn't blame Snyder who's also more a victim then a cause of the intolerant DC Sports environment.
are you freaking kidding me - Snyder's a "victim of the intolerant DC Sports environment" ?? - this is getting really good OK KAZ - I'd understand if you'd prefer not to justify this we need a little levity here this week and you are so good at this - please try and clear that statement up for us
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
most of us here want Zorn to stay and do well for the rest of this season at least - same for Campbell - I think it is painfully obvious that neither is going to succeed but that does not mean that most of us (that want the team to do better) think that the best option is to get rid of either or both at this time - we don't have the luxury to do that unless it becomes clear that Campbell cannot manage the offense OR that Zorn has lost the confidence of the players and i don't think that either of those scenarios has happened yet
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote: are you freaking kidding me - Snyder's a "victim of the intolerant DC Sports environment" ?? - this is getting really good OK KAZ - I'd understand if you'd prefer not to justify this we need a little levity here this week and you are so good at this - please try and clear that statement up for us
Well, you actually have to read the quote in context. You're taking it as a point on Snyder when it's a point on DC. It's like when Rush Limbaugh criticized the media for their treatment of McNabb being soft because they wanted a black QB to succeed. All the lily white liberal media had a cow he was talking about a black quarterback when his point wasn't about him it was clearly about the lily white liberal media.
My point is not about or a defense of Snyder, it is a comment of the environment he is trying to succeed in which is ridiculously win now intolerant and ignorant of reality. Sure, a new owner with no experience is going to come in and operate like one of the best owners ever (JKC) at his most experienced. Yet that has been the standard ignoring that Snyder has grown. Snyder is no JKC, but few are and he's not as bad as he's portrayed. But the environment is to the point of the absurd.
That is my point and no matter how much you want to blast Danny and no matter how right or wrong you may be, you're not addressing my point if you go that way. You have to defend that DC is actually rational in this regard if you want to refute it. Ditto RiC for your post making the same point.
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DEHog wrote:I think you even debated yourself on that one Not sure how you came to that conclusion...That he could screw up Zorn...I guess by firing him before the contract is up??
I'm have been and still am (check the boards) a believer that Snyder should allow him to coach out the contract!! The media since when do you run an organization based on what the media says??
OK, I misunderstood your point then. I didn't realize you wanted him to not only get this year but next year. I thought you meant that somehow his struggles were Snyder's fault, if that was the case I didn't see how it made sense because I think he's struggling himself. But you want to give him a chance to work it out. I'm not sure I agree with the third year, but I certainly want to let him play out this one.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
KazooSkinsFan wrote:My point is not about or a defense of Snyder, it is a comment of the environment he is trying to succeed in which is ridiculously win now intolerant and ignorant of reality.
Snyder created the environment and is THE MOST IGNORANT person in the entire mix.
We're not a "win now" fanbase. Just show us you have a freakin' clue and we'll give you a heck of a lot more leeway.
Nothing changes until we reach the Day of Epiphany,
let me tell about this "win now DC enviroment"...Snyder would get destroyed IN NEW YORK....DESTROYED.....The Wilpons get hammered for the METS AND THEY ARE GENERALLY FAN FRIENDLY OWNERS WITH STRUCTURE.
Snyder has no long term plan and no Org Chart in place ....or Coherent Org chart
Snyder bought himself time with Gibbs hiring and but now that Gibbs has left ...Him and his cronie Cerrato are front and center again and being exposed for what they are--AMATUERS ....This town has been too kind to SNYDER...WAY TOO KIND!!!!
No owner in NY would have the b%lls sue their fans in a recession(especially while fielding this crap) because the PR backlash would have been so sever they would bleed from their backside for YEARS!!!
The DC media is not all that bad on its losers..Snyder being at the head of the Class.
MEZZSKIN wrote:let me tell about this "win now DC enviroment"...Snyder would get destroyed IN NEW YORK....DESTROYED.....
And that's different because...
Its different because this is now YEAR 10 of this mess..and in NY they would have opened his backside up and exposed this circus like Franchise well before year 10 hit..
SO the fans are angry!..WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE....This town has been easy on him..so easy that he knew he could get away with suing his fan base in a recession while fielding a crappy team.
If you think the town has been hard on him I LAUGH...this is amataur hour compared to the WALL TO WALL 24/7 beating he would take in NYC.
MEZZSKIN wrote:let me tell about this "win now DC enviroment"...Snyder would get destroyed IN NEW YORK....DESTROYED.....
And that's different because...
Its different because this is now YEAR 10 of this mess..and in NY they would have opened his backside up and exposed this circus like Franchise well before year 10 hit..
SO the fans are angry!..WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BE....This town has been easy on him..so easy that he knew he could get away with suing his fan base in a recession while fielding a crappy team.
If you think the town has been hard on him I LAUGH...this is amataur hour compared to the WALL TO WALL 24/7 beating he would take in NYC.
If you say so. I lived most of my adult life in the NY and DC areas, the media is ruthless in both places. I don't particularly see the difference except there is more sports media in NY because it's bigger. They seem to be doing a pretty good hatchet job on Danny here, and I don't particularly like Danny. I don't see how it would be that must worse. If NY media weren't survivable then Steinbrenner would be gone, he's not. A-Rod and is still there. Your implication he would be destroyed doesn't hold water. And your example of the Mets is good for MY point that NY is not one murderous market because frankly the Mets aren't covered that strongly through the region, I lived in Manhattan, White Plains and Fairfield County and they might as well be the Texas Rangers for all the coverage they get.
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Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
#1--Arod is still in because GOLDMAN SACHS told him to stay...Goldman Sachs gave Arod a offer he couldn't refuse ...they did it to protect their YES NETWORK investment which their making a fortune.on....its also why Yanks as per Goldman Sachs Paid AROD WAY ABOVE MKT VALUE(for validity just GOOGLE AROD and GOLDMAN SACHS)My uncle is a retired GS Partner...Goldman forced yanks and AROD hand..its a forced marriage. But.with that pay.who wouldn't stay??? But he's been destroyed here since day one
#2 STEINBRENNER is not Good Comparison to Snyder ...Steinbrenner bought the a flounderig last placeYankee Franchise for a measly ten million ...and 3 years later WENT to 3 CONSECUTIVE WS's and won 2..then had a bad 17 years with TORTOROUS press on him...but the next Dynasty Came along and here we today....once again ..bad example
3 the mets Were DESTROYED here all summer bringing omar minaya their GM almost to nervous breakdown..he had to to hold BACK TO BACK team press conferences just to deflect the Criticism
The Radio wires were LIT UP 3-5 hours a day bashing the daylights out the mets ALL SUMMER...
But let's agree to disagree.I guess....but u feeling bad for Snyder and the criticism is naïve..ITS PAR FOR THE COURSE...he's a big boy
JUST FIELD A WINNER and people shut up....he's woefully unable
Oh AND EVEN STEINNBRENNER has had great baseball people for GM
Gabe Paul 70's Stick Michael 90's
Cashman 2000's
MEZZSKIN wrote:#1--Arod is still in because GOLDMAN SACHS told him to stay...Goldman Sachs gave Arod a offer he couldn't refuse ...they did it to protect their YES NETWORK investment which their making a fortune.on....its also why Yanks as per Goldman Sachs Paid AROD WAY ABOVE MKT VALUE(for validity just GOOGLE AROD and GOLDMAN SACHS)My uncle is a retired GS Partner...Goldman forced yanks and AROD hand..its a forced marriage. But.with that pay.who wouldn't stay??? But he's been destroyed here since day one
#2 STEINBRENNER is not Good Comparison to Snyder ...Steinbrenner bought the a flounderig last placeYankee Franchise for a measly ten million ...and 3 years later WENT to 3 CONSECUTIVE WS's and won 2..then had a bad 17 years with TORTOROUS press on him...but the next Dynasty Came along and here we today....once again ..bad example
3 the mets Were DESTROYED here all summer bringing omar minaya their GM almost to nervous breakdown..he had to to hold BACK TO BACK team press conferences just to deflect the Criticism The Radio wires were LIT UP 3-5 hours a day bashing the daylights out the mets ALL SUMMER...
But let's agree to disagree.I guess....but u feeling bad for Snyder and the criticism is naïve..ITS PAR FOR THE COURSE...he's a big boy
JUST FIELD A WINNER and people shut up....he's woefully unable Oh AND EVEN STEINNBRENNER has had great baseball people for GM Gabe Paul 70's Stick Michael 90's Cashman 2000's
Snyder has Vinny Cerrato
But we're not talking baseball, we're talking football.
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
MEZZSKIN wrote:#1--Arod is still in because GOLDMAN SACHS told him to stay...Goldman Sachs gave Arod a offer he couldn't refuse ...they did it to protect their YES NETWORK investment which their making a fortune.on....its also why Yanks as per Goldman Sachs Paid AROD WAY ABOVE MKT VALUE(for validity just GOOGLE AROD and GOLDMAN SACHS)My uncle is a retired GS Partner...Goldman forced yanks and AROD hand..its a forced marriage. But.with that pay.who wouldn't stay??? But he's been destroyed here since day one
#2 STEINBRENNER is not Good Comparison to Snyder ...Steinbrenner bought the a flounderig last placeYankee Franchise for a measly ten million ...and 3 years later WENT to 3 CONSECUTIVE WS's and won 2..then had a bad 17 years with TORTOROUS press on him...but the next Dynasty Came along and here we today....once again ..bad example
3 the mets Were DESTROYED here all summer bringing omar minaya their GM almost to nervous breakdown..he had to to hold BACK TO BACK team press conferences just to deflect the Criticism The Radio wires were LIT UP 3-5 hours a day bashing the daylights out the mets ALL SUMMER...
But let's agree to disagree.I guess....but u feeling bad for Snyder and the criticism is naïve..ITS PAR FOR THE COURSE...he's a big boy
JUST FIELD A WINNER and people shut up....he's woefully unable Oh AND EVEN STEINNBRENNER has had great baseball people for GM Gabe Paul 70's Stick Michael 90's Cashman 2000's
Snyder has Vinny Cerrato
But we're not talking baseball, we're talking football.
your right bro...Comparisons were made and I just responded to them ..It did get way off topic
KazooSkinsFan wrote:My point is not about or a defense of Snyder, it is a comment of the environment he is trying to succeed in which is ridiculously win now intolerant and ignorant of reality.
The "environment" has been ENORMOUSLY patient and TOLERANT for over a darn DECADE !!!
Repeat after me Kaz:
Over a DECADE ! Over a DECADE ! Over a DECADE !
Got it? no? OK, let us try again ...
Over a DECADE ! Over a DECADE ! Over a DECADE !
got it? Let me know
Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
are you freaking kidding me - Snyder's a 
