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roybus14 wrote:I wonder why Spagnolo was thanking Zorn after the game?

Was it because we didn't run up the score (ha!)?

Or was it because he gave the Rams a chance to win with a FG by not kicking and going for it??

Hmmm????

Pretty sure it was for kneeling it to end the game and not take shots at the end zone. For some reason the fans at the game would have been much happier going for pointless points, but instead they decided to boo with Campbell taking a knee. (I know they were booing for many other reasons, but this escalated it.)

riggofan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:If every fan saw that, they would have a better understanding of what his thought process is.

Yeah I agree. I thought it was pretty helpful to watch that video and see what was going on when he made some of those calls.

How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

Give me a break. So when Zorn tells Campbell to tell Portis that he just needs ONE yard, I guess that was also pathetic? Because Portis should not have to be told that he needs to gain a yard. I'm sure nobody tells Adrian Peterson he needs to go out and gain a yard. blah blah blah blah.

It's one thing to tell a running back how much yardage he needs to pick up for a first down, it's completely different for a coach to tell a 5th year qb that he is in charge. I'll ask again, do you think that Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Big Ben get reminded by their coaches that they are in charge?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

riggofan wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:If every fan saw that, they would have a better understanding of what his thought process is.

Yeah I agree. I thought it was pretty helpful to watch that video and see what was going on when he made some of those calls.

How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

Give me a break. So when Zorn tells Campbell to tell Portis that he just needs ONE yard, I guess that was also pathetic? Because Portis should not have to be told that he needs to gain a yard. I'm sure nobody tells Adrian Peterson he needs to go out and gain a yard. blah blah blah blah.

It's one thing to tell a running back how much yardage he needs to pick up for a first down, it's completely different for a coach to tell a 5th year qb that he is in charge. I'll ask again, do you think that Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Big Ben get reminded by their coaches that they are in charge?

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all. It's a motivational boost. I think you're reading into it too much.

CanesSkins26 wrote:How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

I agree with you on that. That is something he shouldn't have to be told.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Likely TD is stretching things a bit. I couldn't tell where the safeties were on that play from the TV shot, but it is a good bet they weren't too far away

Zorn himself said that that would likely have been a td had the ball not been underthrown. So I'm just going by what Zorn said. My main problem is that in his postgame interview the first thing that JC mentioned was the 2 dropped td passes. Not a word from him about his underthrown ball. A complete lack of accountability from JC, as usual.

We will NEVER see accountability out of Campbell it's always someone else he mentions not himself.

LukeA wrote:

roybus14 wrote:I wonder why Spagnolo was thanking Zorn after the game?

Was it because we didn't run up the score (ha!)?

Or was it because he gave the Rams a chance to win with a FG by not kicking and going for it??

Hmmm????

Pretty sure it was for kneeling it to end the game and not take shots at the end zone. For some reason the fans at the game would have been much happier going for pointless points, but instead they decided to boo with Campbell taking a knee. (I know they were booing for many other reasons, but this escalated it.)

They didn't boo because Campbell took a knee they booed because the fans our tired of years of mediocrity on the offense. This offense sucks and that's why they booed.

DEHog wrote:

I was at the game and this relieves a lot of the concerns that I had walking out of that stadium. The only thing I still don't understand is why you wouldn't kick the field goal with 2 minutes to go up by 5 and force the Rams to score a TD on your tough defense. I was livid with that call.

1. First down game over
2. Bad snap
3. Blocked FG
4. missed FG
5. KO return
6. Betts ran out of bounds leaving the Rams to much time
7. Your D is playing good
8. Rams had no TO left
9, Ball on the 4 yards line

The only reason for kicking the FG was to go up by more than a FG
I thought it was the right call.

Absolutely...no question about it

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:Sorry boys, but it you look closely on that 4th and 1/2 a yard to seal the game... Portis had the hole!!

He ran to his left, instead of turning up field. Glad to hear Campbell urging him to do whatever it takes to get the first, but as usual we came up short.

Man are you right about that. The hole was huge. FOLLOW YOUR BLOCKS. That would have been a TD

Thanks for posting this. I feel like we're close. Campbell is improving and we're moving the ball well. D is stout. Just need to get some fire within the 10 yard line.

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

I agree with you on that. That is something he shouldn't have to be told.

You are right but also this doesn't mean that Jason doesn't know he is in charge. It's like when Campbell throws an interception I bet Zorn says "Hey man you can't throw that" but don't you think Campbell knows that?
Well I think it is the same case here. He's knows he's in charge...Zorn is just saying the obvious.

Brady, Manning may be one of the two best qb's in the history of the game, unfair to compare Campbell in any category with them. He's just a decent qb.

mastdark81 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

I agree with you on that. That is something he shouldn't have to be told.

You are right but also this doesn't mean that Jason doesn't know he is in charge. It's like when Campbell throws an interception I bet Zorn says "Hey man you can't throw that" but don't you think Campbell knows that?
Well I think it is the same case here. He's knows he's in charge...Zorn is just saying the obvious.

Brady, Manning may be one of the two best qb's in the history of the game, unfair to compare Campbell in any category with them. He's just a decent qb.

It's called positive reinforcement

Redskin in Canada wrote:So, he decided to run with Clinton because ...

... he lost confidence in the receivers at that stage?

Say it ain't so ...

What do Zorn have confidence in? We play scared...i'm surprised we just don't kneel down every play. Teams have been stopping us from running the ball in from the 5-10 yard line for awhile now...going back to last year.

I thought those td drops were good calls to guys that weren't under the microscope and I would have taken my chance that they wouldn't drop another.

hahaha, that was great, very entertaining... love the part where he's telling the Ref to watch for 12 men in the huddle, and then Jackson comes over, and he tells him that he is awesome, too funny...

So Cal Skin Dude wrote:Sorry boys, but it you look closely on that 4th and 1/2 a yard to seal the game... Portis had the hole!!

He ran to his left, instead of turning up field. Glad to hear Campbell urging him to do whatever it takes to get the first, but as usual we came up short.

Portis need better vision. I saw that too.... wide open up field, 4 yards to the end zone, you could drive a Mack truck through it.

stacylee12 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field?

What a selective observation....

Anyhoo!

LOVE that video! Wow! I am so excited to watch DaSkins play this weekend. We are close, men! We are almost there. We have the plays, we have the players. It is small things. A game of inches. A game of 3 or 4 plays making the difference.

I'm pumped!

You and your positive attitude are really out of place on these boards.

CanesSkins26 wrote:It's one thing to tell a running back how much yardage he needs to pick up for a first down, it's completely different for a coach to tell a 5th year qb that he is in charge. I'll ask again, do you think that Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Big Ben get reminded by their coaches that they are in charge?

Yes, to answer your question, I would think that is something a coach could possibly say to any NFL QB at some point or another. Even Brady, Manning or Rivers. That's called coaching.

I don't really get why you think this is such a big deal, but whatever. I think he was just telling Campbell "You da man". Maybe its not appropriate for a coach to get an NFL level player mentally hyped up though...

CanesSkins26 wrote:How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

This is an astute, not selective observation. And it's very much indicative of a guy that is not in charge.

You'll also notice in the clip Campbell banging the ground and voicing his displeasure on the sack. He then proceeds to complain to Zorn "that was a freakin TD". This was pouting to "Dad".

I think the clip confirms a lot about Campbell, and about Zorn.

Particularly troubling is the decision to run in the red zone because of the dropped passes. It was an emotional response, and not a strategic decision based on what the defense was doing. And as it turned out, the 3rd down run with Portis was a dead play before the ball was snapped. Portis had no chance based on the defensive alignment. It was 6 on 4 on that play.

I think this whole Zorn/Campbell thing has become a situation like the guy who has already pumped a ton of money into one slot machine and can't bring himself to stop ...

chiefhog44 wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

I agree with you on that. That is something he shouldn't have to be told.

You are right but also this doesn't mean that Jason doesn't know he is in charge. It's like when Campbell throws an interception I bet Zorn says "Hey man you can't throw that" but don't you think Campbell knows that?
Well I think it is the same case here. He's knows he's in charge...Zorn is just saying the obvious.

Brady, Manning may be one of the two best qb's in the history of the game, unfair to compare Campbell in any category with them. He's just a decent qb.

It's called positive reinforcement

Maybe to Campbell ... but to a veteran QB it would be patronizing. These are grown men for God's sake ... not pop warner. You can't "convince" someone to be in charge. They either are or they aren't. This is rookie treatment ... and what do we see .. rookie results from a 4th year starter.

RayNAustin wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:

mastdark81 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:How PATHETIC is it that Zorn has to tell JC that he is in charge as he goes onto the field? Anybody think that Brady, Manning, Big Ben, Rivers, and Brees have to be told by their coaches that they are in charge.

I agree with you on that. That is something he shouldn't have to be told.

You are right but also this doesn't mean that Jason doesn't know he is in charge. It's like when Campbell throws an interception I bet Zorn says "Hey man you can't throw that" but don't you think Campbell knows that?
Well I think it is the same case here. He's knows he's in charge...Zorn is just saying the obvious.

Brady, Manning may be one of the two best qb's in the history of the game, unfair to compare Campbell in any category with them. He's just a decent qb.

It's called positive reinforcement

Maybe to Campbell ... but to a veteran QB it would be patronizing. These are grown men for God's sake ... not pop warner. You can't "convince" someone to be in charge. They either are or they aren't. This is rookie treatment ... and what do we see .. rookie results from a 4th year starter.

I totally agree on this one, Ray. As you said, he treats him like a rookie, not a 5 year vet.

In this video the coach seems way to patronizing with Campbell. Like if one misplaced word could shatter his confidence.

It seems to me Zorn is FORCING Campbell into a leadership position, while everyone else on the team has very little confidence in the QB, and, by extension, the coach.

riggofan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:It's one thing to tell a running back how much yardage he needs to pick up for a first down, it's completely different for a coach to tell a 5th year qb that he is in charge. I'll ask again, do you think that Brady, Manning, Rivers, and Big Ben get reminded by their coaches that they are in charge?

Yes, to answer your question, I would think that is something a coach could possibly say to any NFL QB at some point or another. Even Brady, Manning or Rivers. That's called coaching.

I don't really get why you think this is such a big deal, but whatever. I think he was just telling Campbell "You da man". Maybe its not appropriate for a coach to get an NFL level player mentally hyped up though...

Because I think that JC is a sorry excuse of qb. He isn't a leader, he doesn't hold himself accountable for his mistakes, and he doesn't produce on the field.

That was a cool video. It does make me feel a little better about the state of affiars with this team but I disagree with Zorn that he should not abondon the pass because Sellers and Thomas had drops. Its not like either of those guys get a lot of catches - how about ey, Moss, Portis, Betts, ARE?

I don't get what you all are saying about the way he talks to Campbell. He seemed to talk to everyone that way. It seems to me more excitement on his part of the whole process of the game, including the pre game pagentry and good players on the opposing team like Jackson. You can tell he has passion for teaching the game - that's all I think that is. You others are reading too much into it and/or your already formed opinion of Campbell and Zorn is unable to change. You should be more enlightened like me and be willing to change your opinion based on new facts or circumstances

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Likely TD is stretching things a bit. I couldn't tell where the safeties were on that play from the TV shot, but it is a good bet they weren't too far away

Zorn himself said that that would likely have been a td had the ball not been underthrown. So I'm just going by what Zorn said. My main problem is that in his postgame interview the first thing that JC mentioned was the 2 dropped td passes. Not a word from him about his underthrown ball. A complete lack of accountability from JC, as usual.

We will NEVER see accountability out of Campbell it's always someone else he mentions not himself.

Does this count?

After the Giants game:

During his first full season as a starter in 2007, Campbell had major problems with ball security and opponents recovered eight of his 13 fumbles in 13 games. With the help of Coach Jim Zorn's ball-security drills, Campbell committed only one turnover among seven fumbles last season.

Campbell takes great pride in his improvement in that area "but I just held the ball too long there. It wasn't because of anything like that [a fumbling problem]; I just needed to get rid of the ball sooner. He [Umenyiora] is a great player and he made a great play.

"We have some plays that take longer to develop than others, some of the routes, and I always want to give our guys a chance to get open. I don't ever want to give up on a play. But as a quarterback, you have to understand you just need to get rid of the ball sometimes. That was one of those times, so I got on myself about that."

Sounds like taking responsibility for the fumble, doesn't it?

PulpExposure wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Likely TD is stretching things a bit. I couldn't tell where the safeties were on that play from the TV shot, but it is a good bet they weren't too far away

Zorn himself said that that would likely have been a td had the ball not been underthrown. So I'm just going by what Zorn said. My main problem is that in his postgame interview the first thing that JC mentioned was the 2 dropped td passes. Not a word from him about his underthrown ball. A complete lack of accountability from JC, as usual.

We will NEVER see accountability out of Campbell it's always someone else he mentions not himself.

Does this count?

After the Giants game:

During his first full season as a starter in 2007, Campbell had major problems with ball security and opponents recovered eight of his 13 fumbles in 13 games. With the help of Coach Jim Zorn's ball-security drills, Campbell committed only one turnover among seven fumbles last season.

Campbell takes great pride in his improvement in that area "but I just held the ball too long there. It wasn't because of anything like that [a fumbling problem]; I just needed to get rid of the ball sooner. He [Umenyiora] is a great player and he made a great play.

"We have some plays that take longer to develop than others, some of the routes, and I always want to give our guys a chance to get open. I don't ever want to give up on a play. But as a quarterback, you have to understand you just need to get rid of the ball sometimes. That was one of those times, so I got on myself about that."

Sounds like taking responsibility for the fumble, doesn't it?

Yeah, that "Campbell doesn't take responsibility" mantra is getting real old, real fast.

Redskin in Canada wrote:So, he decided to run with Clinton because ...

... he lost confidence in the receivers at that stage?

Say it ain't so ...

Funny thing is Chad Dukes and Lavar heard that and concluded that Zorn has no confidence in JC. Now that maybe true, but it is an idiotic thing to say after that clip.

What part of "I'm going to run since we can't catch the ball" or (Zorn to JC after the Sellers drop) "Well you can't catch it too!" says the coach doesn't trust the QB!

The more I listen to the Lavar and Dukes show the more I'm convince it is solely a platform for LA to bad month the Redskins (mostly Snyder) to the fans. He and Dukes interview people and then make up crap afterwards by say they were reading between the lines. NO! THEY WERE JUST MAKING CRAP UP!!!!
Thanks for posting the clip!