The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think he's lying about the fans spitting on him. Nobody else is reporting that, he's just saying that to validate his temper tantrum from earlier today.

Agreed. If that had really happened he would have said something about it right away, not 6 hours later. What a loser.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:But who can deny that the fans, at large, are part of the problem?)

please explain.

One can think that fans shouting their boos is going to help or hurt the team. I think it hurts the team because it contributes only negativity to the environment. People will justify it however they want, though, as we've clearly seen here time and time again. But I've never understood why people think booing your team in the middle of a competitive game seems like it would help anything.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Robert Henson is back on twitter acting like a chump. LOL he's really salty.

Players, especially many young ones, often don't realize how nonprivate their lives are the entire time they are a professional athlete. The fact that there are so many more ways for them to expose their own immaturity (FB, Myspace, Twitter, potentially endless repeats of mistakes on YouTube, etc.) poses a problem that previous generations of players didn't have to face.

It's a little like the Riggins - ey effect. Riggins shows up to a meeting drunk and falls asleep—and is remembered fondly for it by Redskins fans. ey shows up to a meeting wearing a giant sombrero and everyone is all over him for not being serious, etc. The players must live by a different standard nowadays.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Robert Henson is back on twitter acting like a chump. LOL he's really salty.

Players, especially many young ones, often don't realize how nonprivate their lives are the entire time they are a professional athlete. The fact that there are so many more ways for them to expose their own immaturity (FB, Myspace, Twitter, potentially endless repeats of mistakes on YouTube, etc.) poses a problem that previous generations of players didn't have to face.

It's a little like the Riggins - ey effect. Riggins shows up to a meeting drunk and falls asleep—and is remembered fondly for it by Redskins fans. ey shows up to a meeting wearing a giant sombrero and everyone is all over him for not being serious, etc. The players must live by a different standard nowadays.

Riggins, and the teams he was on, usually won. Win cures (almost) everything.

Irn-Bru wrote:It's a little like the Riggins - ey effect. Riggins shows up to a meeting drunk and falls asleep—and is remembered fondly for it by Redskins fans. ey shows up to a meeting wearing a giant sombrero and everyone is all over him for not being serious, etc. The players must live by a different standard nowadays.

If he wasn't part of a winning squad, I think Riggins would be remebered differently. Point taken tho.

Irn-Bru wrote:One can think that fans shouting their boos is going to help or hurt the team. I think it hurts the team because it contributes only negativity to the environment. People will justify it however they want, though, as we've clearly seen here time and time again. But I've never understood why people think booing your team in the middle of a competitive game seems like it would help anything.

Fair enough.

Booing after a win is one thing, throwing things at players is different. I thought we were above doing that. That is something you see in Baltimore, Philly, Oakland, etc. Whoever was doing that should be ashamed and shouldn't walk into that stadium again.

riggofan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:We really have a lackluster, confused, and boorish fan base. It's very sad.

A lackluster fan base?? Part of the problem?

Yes. How else do you explain shouting boos at your home team before the first home game of the season is over? How's that for support?

And yes, I do think that the fans who do that are part of the problem. I wish I could say that the Redskins have the greatest fans in the world, but we just don't.

People around here are crazy about this team.

Every city can say this. Talk is cheap. Show me real grassroots support on Sunday. How about half of the stadium filled with black and gold jerseys (and those freaking towels) the night we played Pittsburgh? Thanks, you crazy Washington fans, that was awesome!

People need to wake up to reality. The Redskins have a great history with a long tradition of a rabid fanbase. But that doesn't mean fans can do whatever they want and still be considered good fans. Bad fan behavior is bad fan behavior.

Want a counterexample? Look at Oakland. They have much less to be excited about than us. Aside from three good seasons ten years ago, it's been decades since they had anything to look forward to. They even have a worse owner and FO than us — the franchise is a complete disaster head-to-toe and has been for quite some time.

But if you take a little time to read what their media produces and gauge how the fans respond, the difference between Washington is night/day. Oakland fans actually support their team, and they are rabid in supporting them. I've paid attention to this in the past year (when I first noticed it) and always make sure to observe the crowd whenever an Oakland game is on TV.

Not really that surprising though.

On that, I can completely agree.

I did not see the game but as much as we were in the red zone, why not any fade routes? Isn't that why we drafted M.Kelly and Thomas because they were tall and big targers as oppesed to Moss and Randle EL

Mursilis wrote:Riggins, and the teams he was on, usually won. Win cures (almost) everything.

T.O. has been on winning teams and was scrutinized over less. While I agree with you on this point, my real argument (I think) remains: standards have changed.

Redskin_ty wrote:I did not see the game but as much as we were in the red zone, why not any fade routes? Isn't that why we drafted M.Kelly and Thomas because they were tall and big targers as oppesed to Moss and Randle EL

Incompetence.

MDSKINSFAN wrote:Booing after a win is one thing, throwing things at players is different. I thought we were above doing that. That is something you see in Baltimore, Philly, Oakland, etc. Whoever was doing that should be ashamed and shouldn't walk into that stadium again.

I dont buy it. I havent heard any other player make the same claim as Henson or any media outlet report on that happening. He is just trying to cover for his idiotic comments.

Irn-Bru wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:We really have a lackluster, confused, and boorish fan base. It's very sad.

A lackluster fan base?? Part of the problem?

Yes. How else do you explain shouting boos at your home team before the first home game of the season is over? How's that for support?

And yes, I do think that the fans who do that are part of the problem. I wish I could say that the Redskins have the greatest fans in the world, but we just don't.

People around here are crazy about this team.

Every city can say this. Talk is cheap. Show me real grassroots support on Sunday. How about half of the stadium filled with black and gold jerseys (and those freaking towels) the night we played Pittsburgh? Thanks, you crazy Washington fans, that was awesome!

People need to wake up to reality. The Redskins have a great history with a long tradition of a rabid fanbase. But that doesn't mean fans can do whatever they want and still be considered good fans. Bad fan behavior is bad fan behavior.

Want a counterexample? Look at Oakland. They have much less to be excited about than us. Aside from three good seasons ten years ago, it's been decades since they had anything to look forward to. They even have a worse owner and FO than us — the franchise is a complete disaster head-to-toe and has been for quite some time.

But if you take a little time to read what their media produces and gauge how the fans respond, the difference between Washington is night/day. Oakland fans actually support their team, and they are rabid in supporting them. I've paid attention to this in the past year (when I first noticed it) and always make sure to observe the crowd whenever an Oakland game is on TV.

Not really that surprising though.

On that, I can completely agree.

Oakland did lose the team, then get it back, though. So their fans know what it's like not to have a team to support at all.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

MDSKINSFAN wrote:Booing after a win is one thing, throwing things at players is different. I thought we were above doing that. That is something you see in Baltimore, Philly, Oakland, etc. Whoever was doing that should be ashamed and shouldn't walk into that stadium again.

I dont buy it. I havent heard any other player make the same claim as Henson or any media outlet report on that happening. He is just trying to cover for his idiotic comments.

I know, I also doubt him. I have never seen anything that disrespectful directed at players at a Redskins game and I couldn't picture our fans doing this.

That's true, Deadskins. There are many things that can bring that kind of perspective. I have a sneaking suspicion that New Orleans fans have been particularly grateful for their team the past few years, although I haven't followed their team whatsoever.

Irn-Bru wrote:It's a little like the Riggins - ey effect. Riggins shows up to a meeting drunk and falls asleep—and is remembered fondly for it by Redskins fans. ey shows up to a meeting wearing a giant sombrero and everyone is all over him for not being serious, etc. The players must live by a different standard nowadays.

ey produces on the field. I don't have a problem with him bringing a little levity to the team. But I do get your point.

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:It's a little like the Riggins - ey effect. Riggins shows up to a meeting drunk and falls asleep—and is remembered fondly for it by Redskins fans. ey shows up to a meeting wearing a giant sombrero and everyone is all over him for not being serious, etc. The players must live by a different standard nowadays.

ey produces on the field. I don't have a problem with him bringing a little levity to the team.

You don't, but he's faced scrutiny for really minor stuff. People have cursed him out — admittedly, over the internet, which is where so many can finally work up the guts to send a completely anonymous rant to someone else — for running a blog, as if a professional football player can't do anything aside from practice, play, and sleep (and maybe that's being a little selfish. . .what's with all the sleeping they do?!).

Irn-Bru wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:It's a little like the Riggins - ey effect. Riggins shows up to a meeting drunk and falls asleep—and is remembered fondly for it by Redskins fans. ey shows up to a meeting wearing a giant sombrero and everyone is all over him for not being serious, etc. The players must live by a different standard nowadays.

ey produces on the field. I don't have a problem with him bringing a little levity to the team.

You don't, but he's faced scrutiny for really minor stuff. People have cursed him out — admittedly, over the internet, which is where so many can finally work up the guts to send a completely anonymous rant to someone else — for running a blog, as if a professional football player can't do anything aside from practice, play, and sleep (and maybe that's being a little selfish. . .what's with all the sleeping they do?!).

Speaking only for myself (of course), I have no issue with ey. He produces on the field, and I enjoy the fact he doesn't take himself so seriously.

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

MDSKINSFAN wrote:Booing after a win is one thing, throwing things at players is different. I thought we were above doing that. That is something you see in Baltimore, Philly, Oakland, etc. Whoever was doing that should be ashamed and shouldn't walk into that stadium again.

I dont buy it. I havent heard any other player make the same claim as Henson or any media outlet report on that happening. He is just trying to cover for his idiotic comments.

I know, I also doubt him. I have never seen anything that disrespectful directed at players at a Redskins game and I couldn't picture our fans doing this.

So you made your first post why?? Just so that you could agree with someone arguing against your post? HUH?

Mursilis wrote:Speaking only for myself (of course), I have no issue with ey. He produces on the field, and I enjoy the fact he doesn't take himself so seriously.

Same here.

jdubya wrote:

TeeterSalad wrote:I think they were booing the fact that Zorn didn't go for a TD at the end..of course I wasn't there but thats what I saw at the very end of the game. Either way, I think the boo's were mostly intended for JZ.

I was there, and this is why I was making noise. I would never boo the 'Skins, but Zorn shoulda showed some sac and punched it in.

I would not agree with you. Suppose Zorn did what you what you want and the ball was intercepted and returned enough for the Rams to kick a field goal. Now it is 10 - 9, Rams up, and the fans would have been screaming for Zorns head for not having Campbell that the knee.

If you done't think things like that happen, ask teh buffalo Bills from last week. If that idiot had taken the knee in teh endzone and not brought it out, Buffalo could have run out the clock and won.

Zorn did the best thing he could hae done to preserve the win.

Champsturf wrote:

MDSKINSFAN wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

MDSKINSFAN wrote:Booing after a win is one thing, throwing things at players is different. I thought we were above doing that. That is something you see in Baltimore, Philly, Oakland, etc. Whoever was doing that should be ashamed and shouldn't walk into that stadium again.

I dont buy it. I havent heard any other player make the same claim as Henson or any media outlet report on that happening. He is just trying to cover for his idiotic comments.

I know, I also doubt him. I have never seen anything that disrespectful directed at players at a Redskins game and I couldn't picture our fans doing this.

So you made your first post why?? Just so that you could agree with someone arguing against your post? HUH?

Well I did have my doubts when I read it but I figured hey why would he lie about this and maybe the more I thought about it the more I started to doubt what he was saying. Good enough explanation for you? Maybe I should have put "I have my doubts" on the bottom of the first post to satisfy you.

But just so it makes you happy I will clear it up for you and say: I doubt what he is saying and I couldn't see us doing this BUT if it is true that is disappointing and those fans should be ashamed. Happy?

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:It's a little like the Riggins - ey effect. Riggins shows up to a meeting drunk and falls asleep—and is remembered fondly for it by Redskins fans. ey shows up to a meeting wearing a giant sombrero and everyone is all over him for not being serious, etc. The players must live by a different standard nowadays.

ey produces on the field. I don't have a problem with him bringing a little levity to the team. But I do get your point.

I have never met Chris ey but from the things I have read about him, he definitately marches to a different drum in life than the rest of us. That is his choice but no one, NO ONE can complaint about his commitment to being the best tight end in the NFL. He is the only player I can think of that is so open about his life and makes no apologies, none are necessary. I am glad he plays for the Redskins.

Cappster wrote:The easy solution to not being booed is to beat a terrible Rams team by more than 2 pts when they only had 7pts. I think most of us realize that we have the talent on the team to win and win big. Being 0-4 in redzone trips is just deflating. We are seeing the same thing as we did last year. Our D cannot get off the field on 3rd down and our offense cannot score. There is a lot of built up frustration so I can understand why there is booing. Its like everyone wants to burst with excitement, but a performance like that, although it was a win, just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

You know of course that defenses that can't get off the field usually give up more than seven points. Somewhere deep inside you must know that.

Cappster wrote:The easy solution to not being booed is to beat a terrible Rams team by more than 2 pts when they only had 7pts. I think most of us realize that we have the talent on the team to win and win big. Being 0-4 in redzone trips is just deflating. We are seeing the same thing as we did last year. Our D cannot get off the field on 3rd down and our offense cannot score. There is a lot of built up frustration so I can understand why there is booing. Its like everyone wants to burst with excitement, but a performance like that, although it was a win, just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

You know of course that defenses that can't get off the field usually give up more than seven points. Somewhere deep inside you must know that.

Cappster wrote:The easy solution to not being booed is to beat a terrible Rams team by more than 2 pts when they only had 7pts. I think most of us realize that we have the talent on the team to win and win big. Being 0-4 in redzone trips is just deflating. We are seeing the same thing as we did last year. Our D cannot get off the field on 3rd down and our offense cannot score. There is a lot of built up frustration so I can understand why there is booing. Its like everyone wants to burst with excitement, but a performance like that, although it was a win, just leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

You know of course that defenses that can't get off the field usually give up more than seven points. Somewhere deep inside you must know that.