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The stat doesn't surprise me at all. What did Eli do? Not much. The giants capitalized on a defensive td and some missed tackles by the secondary. Eli didn't have to do much.

brad7686 wrote:The stat doesn't surprise me at all. What did Eli do? Not much. The giants capitalized on a defensive td and some missed tackles by the secondary. Eli didn't have to do much.

Great point Brad. I think as a team, everyone needs to step it up a little. We also have to play smart and stop shooting ourselves (NYJ joke attempt there).

yah Frank, let's coddle JC17 just like the last few years, maybe we should sign pro bowl recievers and hall of fame RB's to complement his below average play. C'mon it's been a few years he's played with the same O line almost all his career and he still looks scared even when the pocket is there. He had recievers WIDE open and he flat over threw them. If his recievers were not so good and can only get open once or twice a game, the QB has to take advantage of that. Our running game ripped out a 30+ yd run, then we pass pass pass and ran on them only when they were expecting it. THe play calling was so predictable that even I can tell they were going to hand off.

JC17 is running out of excuses, Flacco and Ryan had less than a year to learn their team's system and they did it in stride. Ryan didn't have a great reciever in Hotlanta but he did just fine with what he had. Flacco was complemented by a good D, just like JC17 had here. At some point, JC17 has to be thrown to the proverbial river and we will see him sink, or swim. I hope he swims, but we get closer and closer to seeing what happens everygame.

frankcal20 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Rushing Car Yds Avg TDs
C. Portis 16 62 3.9 0


Unacceptable get me Shannahan

I love your signature. Get another team if you want to scream DOOM after the first game.

it is not one game..... it is game 17 of 2008


same terrible game plan AGAIN

PAPDOG67 wrote:I think it's pretty obvious by now that we just don't match up well with the Giants. I'm not going to get too bent out of shape about this loss as the Giants, to me, are a top 5 team in the league......so to win a home opener on their turf is no easy task. Lets get the Rams next week and get back to 1-1. There's a lot of season left to be played. I still have faith. Hail !!

1-1?

so are you that sure we beat the rams? the way this O played im not counting anything...

and im sure many people chalked up a win against the rams last year

Gibbs4Life wrote:Feed Portis

Orak at DE

Smoot usually plays better

Its hard going to Giants stadium and winning but they still gotta come to our house

Great news is our next 5 opponents are cream puffs.

feed CP26.... but pass to open lanes for him
orak at DE..yes
smoot better play better.

giants are not affraid of coming into our house and moving the furniture around like they live there...

as for cream puffs..... im sure they are thinking the same thing about the skins....

SKINFAN wrote:Ryan didn't have a great reciever in Hotlanta but he did just fine with what he had.

I guess this is true if you count having a pro bowl WR as not having a great receiver. Roddy White is a better receiver than we've had in DC for years. Last two years he's had 171 receptions for 2584 yards and 13 TDs.

At some point, JC17 has to be thrown to the proverbial river and we will see him sink, or swim. I hope he swims, but we get closer and closer to seeing what happens everygame.

Agreed here.

By the way, Smoot looked awful. That missed tackle was ridiculous. I'm more worried about our defense after yesterday than our offense, actually. We were supposed to have a good defense, after all.

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:

PAPDOG67 wrote:I think it's pretty obvious by now that we just don't match up well with the Giants. I'm not going to get too bent out of shape about this loss as the Giants, to me, are a top 5 team in the league......so to win a home opener on their turf is no easy task. Lets get the Rams next week and get back to 1-1. There's a lot of season left to be played. I still have faith. Hail !!

1-1?

so are you that sure we beat the rams? the way this O played im not counting anything...

and im sure many people chalked up a win against the rams last year

Last year, everyone already had us at 7-1 after week 5 beating the Rams, Browns, and Detroit. Funny thing was that we lost to the Rams and only beat the browns by 3 which was won on the back of CP and lost on the arm of Derek Anderson.

In this league nothing is a given. But, do I think we will beat the Rams ---- I do.

markshark84 wrote:JC's QB Rating: 93.6

Eli Manning's QB Rating: 93.5

Would anyone say that JC had a better game than Eli? I guess that says something about QB Ratings....

Forget about the QB ratings. Look at their stats:

Campbell was 19/26 for 211 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. Avg yds 8.1
Manning was 20/29 for 256 yards. 1 TD. 1 INT. Avg yds 8.8

So yeah Manning was better than Campbell but not really by much. (And Campbell did have that fumble which was big of course.)

My point is not to argue that JC had a great game or whatever. But given that Manning and Campbell had provably almost identical stats, Manning didn't have THAT much of a better game.

It seems to me that JC didn't help win the game - and that fumble really hurt. But he didn't curl up into a ball either, so good for him. I want to say we got outplayed on defense, because of all of those missed tackles. That's hard to argue too because the D did a good job keeping the score close.

So people will try to say it was Campbell's fault. Or Zorn's fault. I think if you watched that game yesterday it just looked like the Giants were all around just a little better than us. 15 games to go. Hopefully we can catch up.

PulpExposure wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:Ryan didn't have a great reciever in Hotlanta but he did just fine with what he had.

I guess this is true if you count having a pro bowl WR as not having a great receiver. Roddy White is a better receiver than we've had in DC for years. Last two years he's had 171 receptions for 2584 yards and 13 TDs.

He made the Probowl in 2008, because of Ryan, he was decent, but he wasn't great, at least not until Ryan got there. Our side, Moss was Probowl, even with Brunnel (I know dramatic effect ) And the past two years, we can't get anything out of Tana, is it because he lost a step, he is injured, or because he gets overthrown a lot. he hasn't lost a step, he was injured last year (have you seen the throws he gets down the middle, high and hard, he has to get up and catch and he is wide open for a big hit).

Are you sure Moss hasn't lost a step? He got flat OWNED by Corey Webster yesterday. Couldn't move him on the double-move on ARE's option pass, got beat back down the sideline on the interception, and the only reason he got separation on his one deep target is that he ran the post and Campbell threw the fly. He's not the receiver he was in 2005, and if the Redskins are counting on him to be that guy for them to win this year, they're in a lot of trouble.

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Feed Portis

Orak at DE

Smoot usually plays better

Its hard going to Giants stadium and winning but they still gotta come to our house

Great news is our next 5 opponents are cream puffs.

feed CP26.... but pass to open lanes for him
orak at DE..yes
smoot better play better.

giants are not affraid of coming into our house and moving the furniture around like they live there...

as for cream puffs..... im sure they are thinking the same thing about the skins....

our house? our house?? i thought danny sold all of our tickets the the enemy? i dont see fed ex as the biggest advantage

Paralis wrote:Are you sure Moss hasn't lost a step? He got flat OWNED by Corey Webster yesterday. Couldn't move him on the double-move on ARE's option pass, got beat back down the sideline on the interception, and the only reason he got separation on his one deep target is that he ran the post and Campbell threw the fly. He's not the receiver he was in 2005, and if the Redskins are counting on him to be that guy for them to win this year, they're in a lot of trouble.

SHHHHH! Santana is sacred around here! He's the best receiver in the league! You didn't know? Me either.

Paralis wrote:Are you sure Moss hasn't lost a step? He got flat OWNED by Corey Webster yesterday. Couldn't move him on the double-move on ARE's option pass, got beat back down the sideline on the interception, and the only reason he got separation on his one deep target is that he ran the post and Campbell threw the fly. He's not the receiver he was in 2005, and if the Redskins are counting on him to be that guy for them to win this year, they're in a lot of trouble.

He doesn't have the same guy throwing to him in 2k5. When your QB overthrows you the FEW (I stress FEW) times you get open then you won't be able to form some sort of rythmn. Heck, he (Tana) has shown that he gives up on plays way back because he is not involved in passing. I'm not saying Tana is the second coming of sir Art Monk himself, I'm just saying that he did not magically suck over the course of a year. He may not be the same reciever bu he is still a viable target downfield.

SKINFAN wrote:He made the Probowl in 2008, because of Ryan, he was decent, but he wasn't great, at least not until Ryan got there.

He had a similar year in 2007, SKINFAN, unless you think 83 catches, 1202 yards and 6 TDs is "decent." He's a very, very good wide receiver. He's right now better than anything we have.

Our side, Moss was Probowl, even with Brunnel (I know dramatic effect ) And the past two years, we can't get anything out of Tana, is it because he lost a step, he is injured, or because he gets overthrown a lot. he hasn't lost a step, he was injured last year (have you seen the throws he gets down the middle, high and hard, he has to get up and catch and he is wide open for a big hit).

Moss was a probowler in 2005. I love Santana, but he's clearly not the same receiver he once was. If you needed evidence of that, watching Corey Webster just eat his breakfast yesterday, and especially on that INT (where Moss just clearly got outfought for it), should have amply demonstrated that he's not the same guy anymore.

As for injuries, he seems to be always injured. And you have to take that into account; good players are ones you can rely on. You just can't rely on him (both from an injury standpoint, and from a standpoint where he just absolutely disappears in games).

All of you are giving me a headache. There were some positives to the game. I actually thought Campbell looked good with the exception of the two plays that have been discussed to the point of exhaustion. One thing I was confused on was Campbell changing the play at the line on third and eight to a run. That bothered me a bit.

ARE looked good in the slot I thought and actually manned up and took responsibility for not throwing the ball away on that one play. It is nice to hear someone be accountable.

ey was a beast and I love seeing him ramble down the field.

We will win some games this year. It will happen. Let's stop panicking after one game. I suppose had we won everyone would be talking Superbowl.

PulpExposure wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:He made the Probowl in 2008, because of Ryan, he was decent, but he wasn't great, at least not until Ryan got there.

He had a similar year in 2007, SKINFAN, unless you think 83 catches, 1202 yards and 6 TDs is "decent." He's a very, very good wide receiver. He's right now better than anything we have.

Our side, Moss was Probowl, even with Brunnel (I know dramatic effect ) And the past two years, we can't get anything out of Tana, is it because he lost a step, he is injured, or because he gets overthrown a lot. he hasn't lost a step, he was injured last year (have you seen the throws he gets down the middle, high and hard, he has to get up and catch and he is wide open for a big hit).

Moss was a probowler in 2005. I love Santana, but he's clearly not the same receiver he once was. If you needed evidence of that, watching Corey Webster just eat his breakfast yesterday, and especially on that INT (where Moss just clearly got outfought for it), should have amply demonstrated that he's not the same guy anymore.

As for injuries, he seems to be always injured. And you have to take that into account; good players are ones you can rely on. You just can't rely on him (both from an injury standpoint, and from a standpoint where he just absolutely disappears in games).

Moss just needs to be removed from the field when he plays physical corners. Guys like Webster and Al Harris don't even let him get into his route.

Chisel wrote:We will win some games this year. It will happen. Let's stop panicking after one game. I suppose had we won everyone would be talking Superbowl.

Right on, my man!

Begin snark. Of course if we had traded for Jay Cutler we definitely would have won on Sunday. End snark.

riggofan wrote:

Chisel wrote:We will win some games this year. It will happen. Let's stop panicking after one game. I suppose had we won everyone would be talking Superbowl.

Right on, my man!

Begin snark. Of course if we had traded for Jay Cutler we definitely would have won on Sunday. End snark.

And we would be without at least two first round picks (Orakpo + next years).

frankcal20 wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:I too would love to see a turn around with our team. I think that there is a lot of pressure that is given by our fanbase to our QB. I think that the pressure should be spread out to everyone because it was very clear that the team did not EXECUTE today. I don't think that anyone did what the needed to do to win the game except the special teams - which I was very concerned with in the preseason. But the offense and defense have a lot of room for improvement.

I see where your going with this but we need a gut check in a BAD bad way. We would love to see JC17 get some accuracy, but hey he is the QB, he touches the ball on offense every time, pressure to perform HAS to start with him.

..... and with the rest of the offense. You have to understand that a QB can not perform if the RB does not do his job (i'm not say that CP did not). The QB can not perform if the WR is not in the right spot on the field (looked that way on a few plays today). And the QB can not do that if the line is not giving him adequate time to make the play (most of the time he had that today).

I think that it's game 1. The team did O.K. but they did not do well enough to win. We were playing on the road - thank GOD. If we go 3 and 3 in our division, that's pretty good and we should expect to lose on the road if we are going to lose in our division. It's game 1, we have a game 2-16. These guys have to get their act together and make some plays. Plain and Simple. Make more plays than the other team.

Well said everybody always blames the QB for everything that went wrong. He deserved to get blamed for the TD fumble recovery cause he should have stepped up in the pocket. that is why they call it a pocket. It is game one and we need to play as a team and stay with the game plan.