S.I. has the Skins finishing 6-10

so.il.SKINSFAN · Post by **so.il.SKINSFAN** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:27 am

I've got a really good feeling about this year, call me crazy but I honestly think we can go 11-5 this year.

I'm tired of hearing about the NFC North, that division is pitiful..PERIOD.
Can someone explain to me how a 40 year old and a cry baby turn the VIKINGS and the BEARS into Superbowl Teams all of a sudden.

NJ-SKINS-FAN · Post by **NJ-SKINS-FAN** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:44 am

SkinsFreak wrote:Whatever...

At first, I was like, "what the hell is SI thinking?" That was until I clicked the link and saw exactly who made that projection. Peter King. Gee... there's a surprise.

These projections mean nothing to me. It's always based largely in past on last year, and in many cases around the league, what a team did a year prior doesn't mean crap. For example, I think like 7 of the last 8 Super Bowl losers didn't even make the playoffs the following year.

By the way... King has three teams from the NFC North making the playoffs but only one team from the NFC East making the post season. He's got the Bears beating the Packers and the Vikings in the playoffs on their way to an appearance in the Super Bowl.

so surprise when his boy is the vikes qb

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:31 am

The pre-season ratings by these various publications mean as much as the pre-season W-L record OR the "Offseason Championship" - absolutely NOTHING

we will gain respect from the media and the fans when we consistently have a team that is a playoff contender - we are not there yet :roll:

how can anyone get excited about the prospects for a team that looked like we did last year and has Jason Campbell, Todd Collins and 2 QBs that nobody else thought was worth very much in the position that most consider the most important component on an NFL team :shock:

Hopefully we can prove a lot of skeptics wrong, but we need to consistently put together winning seasons to be considered a good team and overcome all the bias against this team and the organization

I repeat - these pre-season ratings mean absolutely nothing

they do seem to get a rise out of us each year though :cry:

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:41 am

Me likey. Its easier to play well with a chip on your shoulder than with a big head on your shoulders.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:50 am

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:35 am

... Peter King.

... Sports Illustrated.

What more needs to be said?

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:41 am

so.il.SKINSFAN wrote:I've got a really good feeling about this year, call me crazy but I honestly think we can go 11-5 this year.

I'm tired of hearing about the NFC North, that division is pitiful..PERIOD.
Can someone explain to me how a 40 year old and a cry baby turn the VIKINGS and the BEARS into Superbowl Teams all of a sudden.

Your Crazy

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:42 am

VetSkinsFan wrote:Who cares about repsect? It's not about repsect, it's about performance. Granted we haven't outperformed the Patriots or the Steelers, but for Pete's sake, we're not the freakin Lions or Browns, either.

We have 1 'loss' (if you consider Springs part time participation a loss) on D. We improved with Orakpo and Haynesworth.

We addressed SOME of the line with Dockery. We got depth on the line (arguably). Second year in the same system for JC and the receiving corps.

Our 2nd round draft picks are looking better this year in addition to Mitchell's red zone potential prowess (he's the best looking fade receiver we have IMO).

How, exactly, with the addition/loss we've had, does this constitute a degradation in performance from last year? I'd really like to hear it broken down. It appears that some people just like to whine and get down on the skins so they can be 'pleasantly surprised' when they're wrong.

I just think the writers have every right to put us in last place. I really do not care what they say anyways.

The Giants , Eagles and Cowboys are all contenders for the NFC crown in the writers eyes. So by the medias opinion they are going to slot the Skins in last place in the NFC.

I am not getting down on the team. Nor have I lost faith in the team. I am simply pointing out the reality of the media and there opinion on the Redskins. Also I hope for the best but I do not ignore the realitys of what the team consists of.

We still have a huge question mark at the most important position QB. That is a problem playoff teams do not have. Patriots Tom Brady, Colts Manning, Steelers Rothlesburger and Great Defense etc..

Playoff teams have that consistent leadership. There are no questions going into the off season about who is going to lead there team. We have been going through every off season wondering how our QB is going to do.

I understand being positive. But, you just cant ignore glaring weaknesses. I always hope for the best for this team. When its game time it is just sit back and cheer. Grit my teeth when the going gets tough. My 2 cents

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:18 am

HEROHAMO wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:Who cares about repsect? It's not about repsect, it's about performance. Granted we haven't outperformed the Patriots or the Steelers, but for Pete's sake, we're not the freakin Lions or Browns, either.

We have 1 'loss' (if you consider Springs part time participation a loss) on D. We improved with Orakpo and Haynesworth.

We addressed SOME of the line with Dockery. We got depth on the line (arguably). Second year in the same system for JC and the receiving corps.

Our 2nd round draft picks are looking better this year in addition to Mitchell's red zone potential prowess (he's the best looking fade receiver we have IMO).

How, exactly, with the addition/loss we've had, does this constitute a degradation in performance from last year? I'd really like to hear it broken down. It appears that some people just like to whine and get down on the skins so they can be 'pleasantly surprised' when they're wrong.

I just think the writers have every right to put us in last place. I really do not care what they say anyways.

The Giants , Eagles and Cowboys are all contenders for the NFC crown in the writers eyes. So by the medias opinion they are going to slot the Skins in last place in the NFC.

I am not getting down on the team. Nor have I lost faith in the team. I am simply pointing out the reality of the media and there opinion on the Redskins. Also I hope for the best but I do not ignore the realitys of what the team consists of.

We still have a huge question mark at the most important position QB. That is a problem playoff teams do not have. Patriots Tom Brady, Colts Manning, Steelers Rothlesburger and Great Defense etc..

Playoff teams have that consistent leadership. There are no questions going into the off season about who is going to lead there team. We have been going through every off season wondering how our QB is going to do.

I understand being positive. But, you just cant ignore glaring weaknesses. I always hope for the best for this team. When its game time it is just sit back and cheer. Grit my teeth when the going gets tough.

This still doesn't address anything specific. How, if we've no major losses and improved significantly in multiple areas (and the TTiT and the gnats have lost key players) do we do WORSE, though?

I get, with 99% probability, that JC's not a franchise QB. Is he going to regress this year? Not regress from HALF a season, but a WHOLE season. I don't see JC doing worse than last year.

What other areas have we gotten weaker in? I'm honestly interested in how people see, with critical thought, the team actually regresses as a whole with no real losses on our team.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:30 am

c'mon Vet! you're looking for logical reasoning from Peter King and/or Sports Illustrated - think about that - that's what they call an oxymoron and the word moron just doesn't do King justice My 2 cents

VetSkinsFan · Post by **VetSkinsFan** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 9:04 am

SkinsJock wrote:c'mon Vet! you're looking for logical reasoning from Peter King and/or Sports Illustrated - think about that - that's what they call an oxymoron and the word moron just doesn't do King justice

Nah, I'm looking for it from the people who agree with it.

SkinsFreak · Post by **SkinsFreak** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:13 am

Not that I'm a huge fan of Collinsworth, but here's a different take on the Redskins that at the very least includes a reasonable perspective.

Skins' 'scary good' defense?

09/03/09 8:58 PM EDT

Sometimes taking a step back is a good thing. Redskins fans have spent the preseason fretting about so much -- a vulnerable offensive line, Jason Campbell's development, talented, but inconsistent, wide receivers -- that it's easy to forget that this flawed roster still has a reasonable chance to make the playoffs. At least one national analyst thinks so, anyway.

"The Redskins are one of those teams that if at the end of the season they finish first in the [NFC East] it would not totally shock me," NBC analyst Cris Collinsworth told The Examiner during a media conference call earlier this week. "And that's because of the way they play defense."

Collinsworth noted that a team that allowed just 288.8 yards per game in 2008 added defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth and took impressive linebacker Brian Orakpo in the first round of this year's NFL Draft. But is that really enough to overcome what many analysts see as the NFL's toughest division?

The Giants won a Super Bowl in 2007 and had football's best regular-season record last season. The Eagles reached the NFC title game in 2008. The Cowboys have underachieved, but still have talent. Can Washington's offense improve to the point it can contend with those clubs through six division games?

"It's not like the Redskins don't have weapons," Collinsworth said. "They can make some plays. I know they averaged 16.6 points per game [in 2008]. But in the second year under Jim Zorn they're going to be better than that."

These are some serious "ifs." But, according to Collinsworth, if that aging offensive line does hold up and a young receiver does develop into a legitimate second or third option and Campbell does make strides then everything else is in place for a playoff run. And that hasn't always been obvious to local fans during a shaky preseason prior to last night's finale at Jacksonville.

"I don't know how good the Redskins are going to be this season," Collinsworth said. "Maybe really good. And maybe scary good on the defensive side of the ball."

Link

HEROHAMO · Post by **HEROHAMO** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:14 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:
VetSkinsFan wrote:Who cares about repsect? It's not about repsect, it's about performance. Granted we haven't outperformed the Patriots or the Steelers, but for Pete's sake, we're not the freakin Lions or Browns, either.

We have 1 'loss' (if you consider Springs part time participation a loss) on D. We improved with Orakpo and Haynesworth.

We addressed SOME of the line with Dockery. We got depth on the line (arguably). Second year in the same system for JC and the receiving corps.

Our 2nd round draft picks are looking better this year in addition to Mitchell's red zone potential prowess (he's the best looking fade receiver we have IMO).

How, exactly, with the addition/loss we've had, does this constitute a degradation in performance from last year? I'd really like to hear it broken down. It appears that some people just like to whine and get down on the skins so they can be 'pleasantly surprised' when they're wrong.

I just think the writers have every right to put us in last place. I really do not care what they say anyways.

The Giants , Eagles and Cowboys are all contenders for the NFC crown in the writers eyes. So by the medias opinion they are going to slot the Skins in last place in the NFC.

I am not getting down on the team. Nor have I lost faith in the team. I am simply pointing out the reality of the media and there opinion on the Redskins. Also I hope for the best but I do not ignore the realitys of what the team consists of.

We still have a huge question mark at the most important position QB. That is a problem playoff teams do not have. Patriots Tom Brady, Colts Manning, Steelers Rothlesburger and Great Defense etc..

Playoff teams have that consistent leadership. There are no questions going into the off season about who is going to lead there team. We have been going through every off season wondering how our QB is going to do.

I understand being positive. But, you just cant ignore glaring weaknesses. I always hope for the best for this team. When its game time it is just sit back and cheer. Grit my teeth when the going gets tough.

I never said I agreed with what Peter King wrote. I did not even bother to read his article. All he ever does is bash the Skins. But, at the same time I do not care nor blame them for putting the Skins in last place in the division. That is there opinion. Since they are not fans of the team I dont care what they think.

Eagles have a good QB, Giants have a decent QB, good running back, and an amazing pass rush. Cowboys have Romo and we still have question marks.
Specifics, the offensive line.
The only guy who is going to play that we added is Dockery. He was not wanted in Buffalo. It is not like he is a world beater.
What I am really hoping for is Randy getting healthy and returning to form. Heyer at right tackle is also a huge question mark. No we did not regress but we sure did not do enough to say our offensive line is better then the Giants, Eagles or the Cowboys.

QB,
Major concern. The most important position in all of football and once again our team and fans are wondering will JC come through. I am not holding my breath. Hoping Colt gets a chance.
As long as we have a problem at QB, our defense and Portis will keep getting worn out at the end of the season. It has been happening every year since I can remember us having Portis.

MDSKINSFAN · Post by **MDSKINSFAN** » Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:09 pm

I don't take anything SI predicts seriously anymore. They have the Bears going to the Super Bowl. While they might win that division (which I don't think they will) because they have the weakest schedule in the league, they are more than Jay Cutler away from the Super Bowl. SI also had the Mets winning the World Series this year and they haven't been in contention all year. It has been a while since I have seen them predict anything right.