Postgame: Skins vs Steelers

[aswas71788]

As painful as this year is going to be, it will probably be Zorn's last. Not saying the Redskins are gong to do bad but the obvuious is they could do much better with a better quarterback. Collins, Brennan (dispite the interception) and Daniels all looked better and more capable that Campbell. Zorn just does not see Campbell as anything other than a starting quarterback although Campbell has never shown that he is capable of the position. The unfortunate thing is that there is not a better option on the roster today.

[SnyderSucks]

Collins isn't too much of an improvement over JC.

While I agree with what you're saying in a way, in some ways I disagree. JC was 1-7 and it had nothing to do with just being preseason.

JC had...

- Malcolm Kelly deep on the first snap of the game but threw it behind him with Troy Polamalu closing. Incomplete.

- A little flip to Portis in the flat wasn’t close.

- He had Santana Moss on an in-cut running free but threw it too high.

At this point, completions are a night and day improvement. Todd makes those throws, his only issues came from when the 3rd string WR's let him down last night.

Hell, Chase Daniels threw a beautiful swing pass to Mason, JC can't do that.

JC just doesn't have it. He doesn't have the decision making, he doesn't have the touch, why waste a season to figure out something many have known for quite some time. I mean, i get you, i kno we need some sort of closure to it but it's going to ruin our season....

And who's to say we couldnt make it to the SB with a competent QB, TC was knocking on the door in 2007. People mocked me for saying he was the KEY IMPROVEMENT, and now everyone is realizing I wasn't crazy.

Did we watch the same game? This game was a perfect example of how factors outside the control of the QB impact performance. There were 9 passing plays called while campbell was in.

2 deep balls. The first had air(which everyone complains about) and was somewhat underthrown. The second was thrown outside and the receiver went inside. Without knowing the call, you can't know who made the error. Assumming you should complete half of these, one bad play, one push.

2 screens to Portis (the flip you refer to, I think). The defense had both of these covered and would have resulted in a loss, so Campbell intentionally threw the ball in the ground. He can't do anything else with the ball or you get a penalty for linemen downfield. Two smart plays by the QB.

1 completion to randle el for a first down. Nullified by a penalty to Samuels. Good play by the QB.

1 completion to ey for a first down. Good play by the QB.

1 incompletion to Moss that was thrown high. Bad play by the QB.

1 scramble for a few yards by the QB. Free Blitzer between the center and guard on the O-line. Portis makes a great play to get to him and block him and Campbell immidiately runs. Good play by the QB.

1 incompletion to Fred Davis. Davis slowed on the route a little and Campbell led him, so it was a little beyond his reach. Per former Super Bowl winning QB Thiesmann, the problem was with Davis. Have to take his word, but call it a push due to uncertainty. Ball released in 2 seconds.

9 plays. 5 Good decisions. 2 bad plays. 2 pushes that can't be judged without further information. Obviously, more production is necessary, but let's not lay everything at Campbell's feet. It's not like he's making left handed shot putts into the end zone that are picked like Orton in Denver.

[PulpExposure]

Haven't posted in a long while (home was destroyed by a fire in April). But anyway ..

Wow Ray, sorry to hear that. That's awful.

[VetSkinsFan]

Have I ever mentioned I think Devin Thomas sucks? Just saw the INT Collins threw intended for Thomas, Theismann says "that's what you get with a DB driving on the ball and a WR waiting for the ball to come to him, the youth of Devin Thomas" Of course Thomas was waiting for the ball and not attacking it, he probably blames Collins too.

Anyone still want to debate who's better Devin or Malcom, how about Devin or Marko? Answer: Malcom and Marko

That ball that was INT was thrown behind him. Why else would you be laterally traversing the field NOT at full speed? Am I the only one that saw that?

[ChocolateMilk]

I'm saying this now... Joe Theisman should not be commentating games. He is a friggin idiot. He gets names wrong, he gets rules wrong, half the crap he says doesn't make sense. I can't stand listening to this guy talk.

[Deadskins]

I'm saying this now... Joe Theisman should not be commentating games. He is a friggin idiot. He gets names wrong, he gets rules wrong, half the crap he says doesn't make sense. I can't stand listening to this guy talk.

Yeah, but his partner is worse.

[Irn-Bru]

I'm saying this now... Joe Theisman should not be commentating games. He is a friggin idiot. He gets names wrong, he gets rules wrong, half the crap he says doesn't make sense. I can't stand listening to this guy talk.

Yeah, but his partner is worse.

And besides, how is he any different than all of the other guys out there? The NFL has the worst network playcallers and commentators in all of sports. It's an unbelievably opinionated, loud, and insipid industry.

[brad7686]

Have I ever mentioned I think Devin Thomas sucks? Just saw the INT Collins threw intended for Thomas, Theismann says "that's what you get with a DB driving on the ball and a WR waiting for the ball to come to him, the youth of Devin Thomas" Of course Thomas was waiting for the ball and not attacking it, he probably blames Collins too.

Anyone still want to debate who's better Devin or Malcom, how about Devin or Marko? Answer: Malcom and Marko

That ball that was INT was thrown behind him. Why else would you be laterally traversing the field NOT at full speed? Am I the only one that saw that?

No, I noticed it too. On that play, A) Thomas was not open, and B) Collins threw a complete duck, just like he did for a pick vs. the Ravens. That's what bothers me about Collins. When he was playing well a few years ago, I have never seen anyone so lucky to not have a bunch of passes picked off. He throws good passes regularly, but too often he just noodle arms one somewhere.

[RayNAustin]

Haven't posted in a long while (home was destroyed by a fire in April). But anyway ..

Wow Ray, sorry to hear that. That's awful.

Thanks. Yeah, kinda sucked, but at least we got our animals out safely. Everything else was gone .. but that's just stuff.

[frankcal20]

Positive way to look at things. Glad to see you back. All we need now is Boss to come back and set us all straight.

[VetSkinsFan]

Haven't posted in a long while (home was destroyed by a fire in April). But anyway ..

Wow Ray, sorry to hear that. That's awful.

Thanks. Yeah, kinda sucked, but at least we got our animals out safely. Everything else was gone .. but that's just stuff.

Wow, man, that's horrible to hear. I am glad that the people and animals are safe, though. I've been thru a time where my family lost most of our belongings and it's though, but you recover and move on. Glad you're re-established enough to coem back to THN!

[Irn-Bru]

Haven't posted in a long while (home was destroyed by a fire in April). But anyway ..

Wow Ray, sorry to hear that. That's awful.

Thanks. Yeah, kinda sucked, but at least we got our animals out safely. Everything else was gone .. but that's just stuff.

Damn, that's tough. I'm so sorry to hear about that, Ray.

[RayNAustin]

Haven't posted in a long while (home was destroyed by a fire in April). But anyway ..

Wow Ray, sorry to hear that. That's awful.

Thanks. Yeah, kinda sucked, but at least we got our animals out safely. Everything else was gone .. but that's just stuff.

Damn, that's tough. I'm so sorry to hear about that, Ray.

Your sentiments are appreciated. We're OK and all of the living-breathing things made it out which is the important thing.

Lost my Portis Jersey, but did manage to save my circa 2000 Cap which is the best looking Redskin cap I've ever seen

I believe I must order another jersey for the upcoming season. Given my location, Orakpo98 might be an appropriate choice.

[RayNAustin]

Haven't posted in a long while (home was destroyed by a fire in April). But anyway ..

Wow Ray, sorry to hear that. That's awful.

Thanks. Yeah, kinda sucked, but at least we got our animals out safely. Everything else was gone .. but that's just stuff.

Wow, man, that's horrible to hear. I am glad that the people and animals are safe, though. I've been thru a time where my family lost most of our belongings and it's though, but you recover and move on. Glad you're re-established enough to coem back to THN!

Thanks bro. It's amazing how things can change in an instant. We've had to move 3 times in 4 months (first move was into a temp shelter while looking for a place .. we found a cool condo with a rooftop deck and moved in ... but .. little did we know that the place was in foreclosure before we even signed the lease!! And a month later, just as we were finally getting settled, we got a 30 day notice letter in the mail. Man was I pissed!!)

And it really interrupted our business activities too cuz we work from home and have an online jewelry business (pickwearjewelry), but we've now got everything back up and squared away.

So we're looking forward to a much smoother second half of the year.

[frankcal20]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

[SKINFAN]

sorry frank but the rook from the jets did it with ease

[frankcal20]

^ What part of my post are you referring too?

[Deadskins]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

The pass to Kelly was not short. If anything it was long, because it did not lead him to the left as it should have, but forced him to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical. I agree we should have gone for it on fourth down. We could have picked up a 1st without scoring the TD, and nothing was gained by kicking a PAT-length FG.

[frankcal20]

I think Zorn will do that differently next time if we are faced with that again this preseason...Regular Season is different. But early on at home, i would go for it.

[VetSkinsFan]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

The pass to Kelly was not short. If anything it was long, because it did not lead him to the left as it should have, but forced him to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical. I agree we should have gone for it on fourth down. We could have picked up a 1st without scoring the TD, and nothing was gained by kicking a PAT-length FG.

Campbell HIMSELF said he should have thrown it a few yards longer. That, in my mind, makes it short.

[Deadskins]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

The pass to Kelly was not short. If anything it was long, because it did not lead him to the left as it should have, but forced him to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical. I agree we should have gone for it on fourth down. We could have picked up a 1st without scoring the TD, and nothing was gained by kicking a PAT-length FG.

Campbell HIMSELF said he should have thrown it a few yards longer. That, in my mind, makes it short.

JC's just trying to cover his butt for his poor throw. Yes, if he had thrown it longer, Kelly's adjustment to the ball might have made it catchable, but if he had simply led Kelly to the left, then the ball could have been caught in stride.

[VetSkinsFan]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

The pass to Kelly was not short. If anything it was long, because it did not lead him to the left as it should have, but forced him to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical. I agree we should have gone for it on fourth down. We could have picked up a 1st without scoring the TD, and nothing was gained by kicking a PAT-length FG.

Campbell HIMSELF said he should have thrown it a few yards longer. That, in my mind, makes it short.

JC's just trying to cover his butt for his poor throw. Yes, if he had thrown it longer, Kelly's adjustment to the ball might have made it catchable, but if he had simply led Kelly to the left, then the ball could have been caught in stride.

So he's lying and only YOU know the truth...

I'm glad we have people here with the sixth sense...

[Deadskins]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

The pass to Kelly was not short. If anything it was long, because it did not lead him to the left as it should have, but forced him to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical. I agree we should have gone for it on fourth down. We could have picked up a 1st without scoring the TD, and nothing was gained by kicking a PAT-length FG.

Campbell HIMSELF said he should have thrown it a few yards longer. That, in my mind, makes it short.

JC's just trying to cover his butt for his poor throw. Yes, if he had thrown it longer, Kelly's adjustment to the ball might have made it catchable, but if he had simply led Kelly to the left, then the ball could have been caught in stride.

So he's lying and only YOU know the truth...

I'm glad we have people here with the sixth sense...

No, he's not lying. And you don't need a sixth sense, just one, vision, to see that Kelly had to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical in an attemp to adjust to the throw.

[VetSkinsFan]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

The pass to Kelly was not short. If anything it was long, because it did not lead him to the left as it should have, but forced him to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical. I agree we should have gone for it on fourth down. We could have picked up a 1st without scoring the TD, and nothing was gained by kicking a PAT-length FG.

Campbell HIMSELF said he should have thrown it a few yards longer. That, in my mind, makes it short.

JC's just trying to cover his butt for his poor throw. Yes, if he had thrown it longer, Kelly's adjustment to the ball might have made it catchable, but if he had simply led Kelly to the left, then the ball could have been caught in stride.

So he's lying and only YOU know the truth...

I'm glad we have people here with the sixth sense...

No, he's not lying. And you don't need a sixth sense, just one, vision, to see that Kelly had to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical in an attemp to adjust to the throw.

...and he had to slow down...hence the underthrown ball comment from the guy who threw it.

[Deadskins]

I just got done watching the first series of Saturday's game. JC only had one bad throw there to Moss. I won't say that the pass to Kelly was bad - it was just short. Most will disagree but to come out on the first play and have to throw a 50 yd pass on the money is asking a lot. It's not like you warm up for those or anything. There were several problems on the drive. On one screen play to CP - JC threw it away b/c Heyer didn't block his defender at ALL. He was running behind his DE. Samuels had the formation penalty and Betts had two runs to get either in the end zone for 3 yds or pick up a first down for 1 yd. On the first run, the hole just closed up and Betts didn't lower a shoulder really. On the 2nd run, from the 3, Seller's blocked his defender to the outside and Betts ran straight into the defender. The inside was wide open. Not sure of the playcall but one of the two was wrong. I personally would have liked to see us go for it on 4th down to take momentum.

The pass to Kelly was not short. If anything it was long, because it did not lead him to the left as it should have, but forced him to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical. I agree we should have gone for it on fourth down. We could have picked up a 1st without scoring the TD, and nothing was gained by kicking a PAT-length FG.

Campbell HIMSELF said he should have thrown it a few yards longer. That, in my mind, makes it short.

JC's just trying to cover his butt for his poor throw. Yes, if he had thrown it longer, Kelly's adjustment to the ball might have made it catchable, but if he had simply led Kelly to the left, then the ball could have been caught in stride.

So he's lying and only YOU know the truth...

I'm glad we have people here with the sixth sense...

No, he's not lying. And you don't need a sixth sense, just one, vision, to see that Kelly had to change his trajectory from diagonal to nearly vertical in an attemp to adjust to the throw.

...and he had to slow down...hence the underthrown ball comment from the guy who threw it.

Right, but it was only underthrown because he didn't lead him enough to the left in the first place. If he leads him properly, the ball was the correct depth.