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To be honest... I like all our pass catchers. I know Kelly, Thomas, Davis and Mitchell are still unproven, but I see the potential in our WR and TE corps. I do think Mitchell will be a pleasant surprise, but I still have faith in Thomas and Kelly. ARE is a good slot receiver and Moss still has the speed and intimidation factor to draw attention from defenders. Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell bring the size we've needed for some time now.

By the way, saw this yesterday...

Devin Thomas is expected to see action in place of Cartwright on kick returns. Thomas returned kickoffs at Michigan State, but he did not get any opportunities last year as a rookie with the Redskins.

ChocolateMilk wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:WHO on this board believes Devin is better than Marko?

In pure talent, yes i do believe DT is better..

DT has NOT shown me enough...imo

Marko is looking like the next Art Monk

Gibbs4Life wrote:Marko is looking like the next Art Monk

oh good! - I hope we can keep him around - he'll provide more depth behind our other good wideouts

I thought Kelly and Thomas looked a lot better and if Davis had turned around in the end zone he would have had a TD from Brennan and the INT would never have happened

SkinsJock wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Marko is looking like the next Art Monk

oh good! - I hope we can keep him around - he'll provide more depth behind our other good wideouts

I thought Kelly and Thomas looked a lot better and if Davis had turned around in the end zone he would have had a TD from Brennan and the INT would never have happened

That was just a good play by the CB and not a good pass. You can't put that on DT.

From my view it was # 86 not # 11 who looked like he should have turned around and I think he would have caught that ball - the pats D did play fairly well which is also an indication of good offensive play by our guys, for the most part

SkinsJock wrote:From my view it was # 86 not # 11 who looked like he should have turned around and I think he would have caught that ball - the pats D did play fairly well which is also an indication of good offensive play by our guys, for the most part

I saw it the opposite way. Colt had pressure coming from his right and threw the ball too soon to avoid the hit. Davis hadn't even had the time to make his break on the route, and the ball came too soon. When I watched it again this morning, it was clear, to me anyway, that Fred didn't have the time to work his route before the ball arrived prematurely.

Back to Marko and Devin... I thought both looked outstanding. Some have said they haven't seen enough from Devin, and that's true, because he actually needed some passes thrown his way. It's not like he's been dropping passes when they do come his way. When he gets the ball, like we saw last night, he really explodes and his physicality is rather evident. He looks good with the ball in his hands and I also liked what I saw from him returning kicks. Devin averaged over 26 yards a return, slightly better than Rock's season average from last year. Yes, it was only one game, but I think he could get the job done if needed.

What impresses me more than anything about Marko are the comments that continue to come from his teammates. In the locker room video, ey mentions that both Devin and Marko looked good. When players comment about rookies, especially before the season has even started, I think that speaks volumes. I predict that Marko has easily tied up the 5th WR spot on the roster and I think we'll see down the road that he was another late round gem found in the draft.

Marko is playing out of his mind. He has a chance to be this year's Marcus Colston (a 7th Rnd receive who comes out of nowhere to be a force). But as much as he helped himself on offense, he didn't help himself on Special Teams. Watching him at the game (and what you didn't see on TV) was the guy is always open. He had beaten his man down field at least 5 times (as did Fred Davis coincidentally) that Colt Brennan didn't see.

There's no doubt the Skins coaching staff wants to keep him badly and they are trying to see if he can contribute on special teams as an added benefit. But he did not show it last night.

Back to Colt Brennan, the guy shows me nothing. The fact that he hit Marko once does not make up for the multiple wide open receivers that he missed. Also, the last toss needed to go 50 yards and it went 30....I thought this guy had arm strength?

As for Devin Thomas, the guy has shown me a lot and I think he takes over the Kick Return duties. With that being said, I don't know why we'd keep Rock.

Kelly's hands remain suspect to me. He has all the ability and never makes the plays, just like last year.

Back to Colt Brennan, the guy shows me nothing.

As for Devin Thomas, the guy has shown me a lot

There goes your credibility

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Back to Colt Brennan, the guy shows me nothing. The fact that he hit Marko once does not make up for the multiple wide open receivers that he missed. Also, the last toss needed to go 50 yards and it went 30....I thought this guy had arm strength?

Can't speak to the missed open receivers, but the knock on Colt has always been that he lacks arm strength, not to the Todd Collins extreme, but as an average NFLer.

Gibbs4Life wrote:

Back to Colt Brennan, the guy shows me nothing.

As for Devin Thomas, the guy has shown me a lot

There goes your credibility

Okay well tell us what you have seen from Brennan this offseason and preseason. I'd really like to know.

Same with Thomas. Everytime he got the ball in his hands he did something good. Be it average 26 yards on kick returns, or just fighting for extra yards. The dude is a player. And I would like to know what you are seeing that makes you hate this guy so much.

ChocolateMilk wrote:Okay well tell us what you have seen from Brennan this offseason and preseason. I'd really like to know

Well there was the 99 yard touchdown pass he threw...

http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

Malcom
Marko
Tana
ey
Fred Davis

Those are the players Clinton Portis gives by name who he calls "the tools to get rollin'" Any interesting omissions on that list? I know one. #11

"But why G4L? Why would CP leave out Devin when we think he's having
a great camp?"

The answer is in the details

One of those players listed is Marko Mitchell, this is not the first time CP has praised Mitchell, but it is the first time he gets specific as to the reasons why he believes MM is valuable the two attributes he lists are "attitude" and "the will to compete and get better"

"Attitude" and "The Will To Compete and Get Better"

Devin Thomas was drafted and handed a large contract, he's "shown" me poor attitude through his work ethic and a lack of will to compete and get better through his play on the field. Marko is the anti devin, humble, hungry, not that Devin isn't hungry but he's hungry for the wrong reasons.

If I could promise Devin he'd cld be famous but his team would always lose, or he cld go largely unnoticed but his team would always win, he'd rather be famous; THE GUY IDOLIZES MICHAEL IRVIN nough' said.

I'm not throwing 11 in the trash but he has a long way to go to prove me wrong. And it's going to get tougher as we bring in players with the right ATTITUDE and THE WILL TO COMPETE AND GET BETTER like MM

Gibbs4Life wrote:http://www.redskins.com/gen/index.jsp

Malcom
Marko
Tana
ey
Fred Davis

Those are the players Clinton Portis gives by name who he calls "the tools to get rollin'" Any interesting omissions on that list? I know one. #11

"But why G4L? Why would CP leave out Devin when we think he's having
a great camp?"

The answer is in the details

One of those players listed is Marko Mitchell, this is not the first time CP has praised Mitchell, but it is the first time he gets specific as to the reasons why he believes MM is valuable the two attributes he lists are "attitude" and "the will to compete and get better"

"Attitude" and "The Will To Compete and Get Better"

Devin Thomas was drafted and handed a large contract, he's "shown" me poor attitude through his work ethic and a lack of will to compete and get better through his play on the field. Marko is the anti devin, humble, hungry, not that Devin isn't hungry but he's hungry for the wrong reasons.

If I could promise Devin he'd cld be famous but his team would always lose, or he cld go largely unnoticed but his team would always win, he'd rather be famous; THE GUY IDOLIZES MICHAEL IRVIN nough' said.

I'm not throwing 11 in the trash but he has a long way to go to prove me wrong. And it's going to get tougher as we bring in players with the right ATTITUDE and THE WILL TO COMPETE AND GET BETTER like MM

You say you aren't throwing him in the trash but that is exactly what you are doing. You are making assumptions about this guy that you can not prove. And I'm talking about this offseason and the preseason games you have seen so far THIS year. We all know he was a straight lazy ass screw up last year. But this is a new year and so far he has done basically everything he needs to do.

SkinsFreak called it - I was only looking at the end zone and missed the fact that Brennan had to throw the ball earlier

I still feel that we will see Kelly, Thomas and Mitchell make this squad - these 3 look like being a part of a formidable passing offense in the very near future

I am glad that the trio of Davis, Kelly and Thomas have applied themselves much better these past 6 months - they all are showing the reasons for high expectations and are hopefully going to be a part of this team for many years

SkinsJock wrote:SkinsFreak called it - I was only looking at the end zone and missed the fact that Brennan had to throw the ball earlier

I still feel that we will see Kelly, Thomas and Mitchell make this squad - these 3 look like being a part of a formidable passing offense in the very near future

I am glad that the trio of Davis, Kelly and Thomas have applied themselves much better these past 6 months - they all are showing the reasons for high expectations and are hopefully going to be a part of this team for many years

I completely agree, SJ. And I think we are on the verge of adding Marko to that list. As I said before, the fact that a ROOKIE is getting so much love, publicly, from his teammates speaks volumes. I believe all of our pass catchers are going to be valuable contributors for this team.

cowboyhater4life wrote:

wooly34 wrote:All I'm saying is that he is a seventh round pick for a reason, and how many late round picks develop into great receivers????? Art Monk, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown, Chris Carter, Randy Moss, and many more...I agree that D.T. must improve his play, but there are too many variables that effect average receiver stats.

Marko is having a great camp. I wouldn't go as far as to say that he's better then Thomas or Kelly but he seams to have a bright future. I think he starts off on the practice squad then moves to the roster by mid season. If your going to refrence late round WR steals start with the most recent Marques Colston.

I think he makes the roster as the 5th WR but is inactive for the 1st few games.

You can't let this guy go unused. ou can't let guys like Marko and Mason sit and rot cus you're too afraid to venture into the unknown. its easy to go back to the safe and mediocre but these guys are showing they belong.

MARKO MARKO!!!! (polo)

Just toss da dag gone ball up in the air and this guy will grab it!

id like to see Marko and Kelly on the outside and Moss in the slot. That would be awesome!!

I'm not trying to say that Marko is a bad player because he has proven so far that he definently has some skills and he knows how to use them. I'm just saying lets at least wait until we are a couple of weeks into the season before we dub him the next Marquos Colston.

ChocolateMilk wrote:I'm not trying to say that Marko is a bad player because he has proven so far that he definently has some skills and he knows how to use them. I'm just saying lets at least wait until we are a couple of weeks into the season before we dub him the next Marquos Colston.

Well, before we can make a decision he'll need playing time. Zorn worries me about his player management.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

ChocolateMilk wrote:I'm not trying to say that Marko is a bad player because he has proven so far that he definently has some skills and he knows how to use them. I'm just saying lets at least wait until we are a couple of weeks into the season before we dub him the next Marquos Colston.

Well, before we can make a decision he'll need playing time. Zorn worries me about his player management.

Hah yeah I was thinking that too. Who knows if Zorn will even play this guy? Hopefully he does. Throw him in there for those goal line lobs or something. Did you see Kelly attempt that catch? Looked like a fish out of water man hah.

ChocolateMilk wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

ChocolateMilk wrote:I'm not trying to say that Marko is a bad player because he has proven so far that he definently has some skills and he knows how to use them. I'm just saying lets at least wait until we are a couple of weeks into the season before we dub him the next Marquos Colston.

Well, before we can make a decision he'll need playing time. Zorn worries me about his player management.

Hah yeah I was thinking that too. Who knows if Zorn will even play this guy? Hopefully he does. Throw him in there for those goal line lobs or something. Did you see Kelly attempt that catch? Looked like a fish out of water man hah.

This is a legitimate issue. Colston got playing time because the Saint's didn't have any depth, and were desperate at the time. While we don't qualify quite yet as receiver wealthy, we don't appear to be desperate. There are a lot of decent receivers who will be competing for a limited number of touches. That works against the 5th receiver. He will get touches... he needs to make them special.

Countertrey wrote:He will get touches... he needs to make them special.

Problem is...what happens when you're limited touches aren't touchable? Same thing happened to Fred Davis last year...

I know that we have guys that are starters but.... I dunno. Maybe it's just me but things are getting a bit stale. It's not that we need to redo the team, we've been doing very well with consistency but you can't do it to a fault.

Now, am I saying he needs to start? No. BUT We need to give him ample playing time to prove either way. Same thing with Mason.