Children, welfare, et. al. from Dixon post

[Champsturf]

Why not focus on the good, which is how much this kid's been thru to get where he is now, instead of focusing on the negative past that he had no control over. It's not about his mother, it's about Dixon.

I started my post by giving him props and wishing him well. I just also feel that there is more to this, as it seemed to me thata she's still looking for a free ride. It must just be the pessimist in me. Sorry.

It was a general comment, Champ. I think it's awesome that this kid's been thru so much adversity and he's not using it as a crutch, but for motivation. He's got strength I wish I had when I was younger...

I'm assuming that you mean mental strength and I agree. I just wonder where he get's it... He must've just developed it on his own..HUGE props to him and good luck!

Man, you have no idea what his mother is like nor do you know what their circumstances are like. You should not be so judgemental. Our third kid was born with my wife on birth control pills, she did not miss a single one. Would you be so disrespectful to her if we were poor and in need of some government assistence? Wait, let me think for a second - my parents helped pay for college, my sister has bailed me out of a few jams and helped with the downpayment on my house, my grandfather helped with some early bills, and I am a recovering alocoholic. Come to think of it had I not had a supportive family (which not everyone does) my wife and I may have needed public support at some point. But for the Grace of God go I my friend. You should take stock of your good fortune and keep your judgements to yourself.

Don't tell me what to do or not do. This is a message board and my opinion was voiced. I have that right.

Maybe I would be disrespectful to you, maybe not. I do know that this is not the place.

I feel sorry for you while grateful that I am not as hateful and spitfull as you.

You tell me to keep my judgements to myself then you say this? Get a life.
Can we get back to talking Redskins?

[cleg]

Why not focus on the good, which is how much this kid's been thru to get where he is now, instead of focusing on the negative past that he had no control over. It's not about his mother, it's about Dixon.

I started my post by giving him props and wishing him well. I just also feel that there is more to this, as it seemed to me thata she's still looking for a free ride. It must just be the pessimist in me. Sorry.

It was a general comment, Champ. I think it's awesome that this kid's been thru so much adversity and he's not using it as a crutch, but for motivation. He's got strength I wish I had when I was younger...

I'm assuming that you mean mental strength and I agree. I just wonder where he get's it... He must've just developed it on his own..HUGE props to him and good luck!

Man, you have no idea what his mother is like nor do you know what their circumstances are like. You should not be so judgemental. Our third kid was born with my wife on birth control pills, she did not miss a single one. Would you be so disrespectful to her if we were poor and in need of some government assistence? Wait, let me think for a second - my parents helped pay for college, my sister has bailed me out of a few jams and helped with the downpayment on my house, my grandfather helped with some early bills, and I am a recovering alocoholic. Come to think of it had I not had a supportive family (which not everyone does) my wife and I may have needed public support at some point. But for the Grace of God go I my friend. You should take stock of your good fortune and keep your judgements to yourself.

Don't tell me what to do or not do. This is a message board and my opinion was voiced. I have that right.

Maybe I would be disrespectful to you, maybe not. I do know that this is not the place.

I feel sorry for you while grateful that I am not as hateful and spitfull as you.

You tell me to keep my judgements to myself then you say this? Get a life.
Can we get back to talking Redskins?

I hope you can find some happiness in your life because your hatred will eat you alive from the inside.

[KazooSkinsFan]

I have several homeless people who live outside my door and they all have the same problem...and it's not laziness. The one thing that these folks has in common is mental illness. Now, I'm not saying this was the instance with Dixon's family, and I want to be as tough as possible on people who abuse the system, but let's not paint all homeless people with the same broad brush as lazy system abusers.

Having lived in and worked in Manhattan, DC, SF and Atlanta, I was with you on your homeless comments until the "same broad brush" quote. Who equated the homeless living outside your door with people who believe freedom over their bodies includes the right to send other people their bills? Who equated mental illness with people who want personal freedom without personal responsibility? Aren't the homeless actually not on welfare, which is what the discussion was about? Where exactly was the "broad brush" that disturbed you?

[KazooSkinsFan]

I only pointed out, that there were three possibilities here:

#1. She could abstain from sex.
#2. She could have sex, but use birth control.
#3. She could have sex, and not use birth control
(actually, there's a fourth possibility I'll cover in a minute.)

#1 meets with your definition of personal responsibility.
#2 only partially meets your definition, because there are two possible outcomes here:
a. She gets pregnant.
b. She does not.

{more nonsense}...

This, my friend, is why we are in different universes. You don't even understand personal responsibility. So let me clear it up for you. Where you are wrong about personal responsibility is that you think it's a logic tree you can parse where I judge her decisions based on my opinion of her choices and whether I considered them to have been taken with adequate precautions. So for all your faux-logic, let me clear it up. It's actually very simple.

Personal Responsibility is where she makes her own choice and takes responsibility for the consequence of that choice. If she abstains, she wins. If she uses birth control correctly she minimizes the chance of pregnancy. If she doesn't, she takes a big risk. But with personal responsibility she is measuring the chance SHE wants to take, not the risk she is assigning to me.

I don't give a rip if she has sex, uses birth control, gets pregnant or has an abortion. It's her life. Liberals judge, not libertarians. Unlike liberals, we are OK with her making her own choices, we have enough of our own problems. What we do care about is when through liberals she makes choices and sends us the consequence of her choices, her bills. It's liberals who are analyzing every choice, as you are doing, and judging them. Then assuming we are judging them because you do you chastise us for not being more "generous" in our judgments as the great liberal heart is, though liberals won't take a crow bar to their own wallets for their judgments, they send us the bills.

Now if she doesn't act with personal responsibility. I am in favor of private, accountable charity to help her and I donate considerable money to causes I believe in. If I have time when I'm on streets and am approached for money I routinely buy meals for the homeless. I keep protein bars in my car for when I'm going to work out after work, and I routinely hand them out when homeless approach my car. I won't give them cash, I give that to charity and I check every one out on sites like the better business bureau and read their sites.

It is liberals who hand off their own personal responsibility by electing politicians to do their charity for them with other people's money and "help" people by removing their personal responsibility fostering government dependence and encouraging further irresponsible behavior leading to more dependence. Like everything else, I am personally responsible with my charity and liberals are not.

Which is why you keep thinking what I'm saying is nonsense then you "rebut" it by demonstrating you completely don't even understand what I said, like here. If I'm speaking nonsense, why don't you actually address my views? Wouldn't that be a lot more powerful then not getting them and then saying they are drivel?

[Deadskins]

you completely don't even understand what I said

No, you don't. What I don't understand, obviously, is what you meant
to say but couldn't express coherently.

If I'm speaking nonsense, why don't you actually address my views? Wouldn't that be a lot more powerful then not getting them and then saying they are drivel?

Never said it was drivel, but anyway, when I do, you parse it out of your reply as "{more nonsense}."

[KazooSkinsFan]

when I do, you parse it out of your reply as "{more nonsense}."

Which I backed up by showing that you were parsing all the scenarios and assigning (i.e., making up) my approving or disapproving of her choices when personal responsibility had nothing to do ever with anything I ever thought of any of her choices. It is about her accepting the consequences for her own choices.

My favorite was when somehow her not having personal responsibility could have been avoided by if she had "not let herself become poor in the first place." You, my friend, are a hoot. That's why I like having these "debates" with you. Not only does being poor not alleviate anyone of the responsibility of accepting the consequence of her choices, but I have to tell you that I know a whole lot of people who are not poor and have no personal responsibility at all so your thinking that's an automatic solution's just wrong. Let's have a beer and discuss my sister in law and her husband someday...