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Yeah, ideally you'd like to have seen the offense do something, but pre-season doesn't mean anything.

Whenever people get worked up about the pre-season it reminds me of this story:

One time in Spring Training Pedro Martinez was getting killed and Red Sox fans were freaking out. He was giving up runs left and right and people were really worried. After one game reporters asked him what was wrong, if he was healthy blah blah blah and Pedro said he was just getting the feel for his curve, and he'd thrown i like 15 times in a row.

This is the time for the players to practice things they're weak on, not try and go 4-0.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I've read the game and post game commentary, and I wonder about some people, but that's a different post.

My :

- As everyone has said, Orakpo is going to be a force. He was great; probably the best guy in burgundy and gold last nite.
- Jarmon looked good. I'm impressed with him considering he had little camp to go thru. I think by hte end of the year, he's going to be another force.
- Moore was sick. He was layin wood like it was goin out of style. He did get smoked on that play (where the guy was freakin out of bounds).
- Hall has come to play.
- Sophomore WRs looked promising. A huge improvement from last year.
- Am I the only person that noticed that our runblocking FORGOT TO SHOW UP?!?!
- 1st team pass blocking looked a lot better. maybe JC just hasn't gotten confidence in the pass blocking? <prays>
- Backs were picking up blitzes very well, I was really surprised.
- JC had happy feet. I don't know what that was all about.
- It seemed as some of Brennan's spark was missing this year. Good or bad thing?


Final thought : I'm concerned, but it is the first game of the pre-season. There is room for improvement...I just hope that it comes soon.

I agree.

Brennan is fine, he was playing with future truck drivers. I want to see Zorn swap him and Collins for the next game.

I can only speak for myself when I say I dont need a win. What I wanted to see from JC (whom I believe is the lynch(?) pin of the season) was progress. His timidness, jittery feet, indecisiveness and high throws did not comfort me at all.

I know there isn't a gameplan. But Jason has been throwing all off-season long and those 2 errant throws irritated me. Prolly cus I was in a room full of Ravens fans. NO worries, I smashed them in Madden 10. lol

Maybe he got the butterflies out...

They didn't make a big deal out of it in the broadcast, but on one of the high throws a Ravens lineman hit Campbell's arm before he had followed through. It was on the play where a receiver was wide open on the sideline. And I believe that's what made the ball sail a little too high for the receiver.

Irn-Bru wrote:They didn't make a big deal out of it in the broadcast, but on one of the high throws a Ravens lineman hit Campbell's arm before he had followed through. It was on the play where a receiver was wide open on the sideline. And I believe that's what made the ball sail a little too high for the receiver.

I didn't see that, sadly I was only hearing pro Ravens audio. If true, fair enough. I just hope that what we saw is just a bit of rust. It felt like a continuation of 2-6... As I said before Im not looking for wins, I want to see some progress.

Chad Rhinehart did great IMHO. Kudos to him and crow to the people who said Buges was nuts for praising him.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I've read the game and post game commentary, and I wonder about some people, but that's a different post.

My :

- As everyone has said, Orakpo is going to be a force. He was great; probably the best guy in burgundy and gold last nite.
- Jarmon looked good. I'm impressed with him considering he had little camp to go thru. I think by hte end of the year, he's going to be another force.
- Moore was sick. He was layin wood like it was goin out of style. He did get smoked on that play (where the guy was freakin out of bounds).
- Hall has come to play.
- Sophomore WRs looked promising. A huge improvement from last year.
- Am I the only person that noticed that our runblocking FORGOT TO SHOW UP?!?!
- 1st team pass blocking looked a lot better. maybe JC just hasn't gotten confidence in the pass blocking? <prays>
- Backs were picking up blitzes very well, I was really surprised.
- JC had happy feet. I don't know what that was all about.
- It seemed as some of Brennan's spark was missing this year. Good or bad thing?


Final thought : I'm concerned, but it is the first game of the pre-season. There is room for improvement...I just hope that it comes soon.

I agree.

Brennan is fine, he was playing with future truck drivers. I want to see Zorn swap him and Collins for the next game.

good point Chris - Campbell is going to start, he's got to be a lot better this year for both his future and for us to have a decent season - we need to see how much progress Brennan has made - Collins is basically a known commodity and has 1 more year here.

AGAIN - these games do not mean anything except to the coaches and those players who might have a slight chance to make the team

there is an old adage out there that applies here - the best lessons are those that are learned from your mistakes - it would be nice to see that some things are working well but we also need to find out where we have issues and see if we can correct them for the games that count

I'm just worried, by using your adage, that we're not learning from last year's mistakes. Cautiously optimistic, or at least trying to be.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'm just worried, by using your adage, that we're not learning from last year's mistakes. Cautiously optimistic, or at least trying to be.

That's exactly where I am and to be quite truthful, Jason HAS to be on a short leash...hell they tried to get rid of him.

If Collins has another strong outing and Jason struggles, don't be shocked to see Collins get the nod early in the season. I really could see JC getting benched.

See, it's not like we ended the year at 6-2 and I'm getting worried. We went 2-6 doing what happened last night. Game plan or no game plan it looked too familiar. So it's not unreasonable for people to feel iffy right now.

Here is something that I head Zorn say on NFL Network. "We do not gameplan in preseason. We run plays that are supposed to expose our weakness' so we can work on them in practice." That statement right there shows me that Zorn knows exactly what this teams problem is and what they are going to work on because for the most part, nothing really worked.

There are a few bright spots from last night. Our punting situation just got a lot better - guys need to learn to tackle but I understand that others will be making the tackles than those who are out there now. Chad Reinhard looked good and got a ton of praise. Marcus Mason still is fast but is a terrible blocker - watch CP. And one last thing, our D line & D. Hall are going to be sick this year.

I thought the backs blocked a lot better last nite.

I think Orakpo and Jarmon both can be major contributors on defense this year. I am anxious to see how our run D will be with Haynesworth in the middle, because they seemed to gash us running the ball. Griffin showed up and showed when he is healthy can make an impact. I agree with the sentiment that D. Hall is going to have a big year. I don't know if anyone saw the segment on NFLN of a day in the life of DeAngelo Hall, but the guy is working his butt off.

The starting O-Line pass blocked fairly well, but the run blocking was terrible. It was nice to see Kelly and Thomas catch a few balls. Kelly made the kind of catch that needs to be made when Collins throw the one that was high over the middle and Kelly went up to snatch it.

I hope we are running the plays that we are struggling with in practice and we aren't looking that terrible with things that we should be doing well. I am not crushed by the performance, but it doesn't feel good to lay an egg no matter what season it is.

frankcal20 wrote:Here is something that I head Zorn say on NFL Network. "We do not gameplan in preseason. We run plays that are supposed to expose our weakness' so we can work on them in practice." That statement right there shows me that Zorn knows exactly what this teams problem is and what they are going to work on because for the most part, nothing really worked.

That's very interesting and a philosophy or approach I actually agree with. People learn from their mistakes, and when those mistakes are exposed, it becomes more of a focus in the future. For example, Fred Davis has been performing very well this offseason and has made great strides, according to the organization. His fumbles last night, while bothersome, and to him for sure, will become a point of focus and he'll become more conscious about it going forward.

SkinsFreak wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Here is something that I head Zorn say on NFL Network. "We do not gameplan in preseason. We run plays that are supposed to expose our weakness' so we can work on them in practice." That statement right there shows me that Zorn knows exactly what this teams problem is and what they are going to work on because for the most part, nothing really worked.

That's very interesting and a philosophy or approach I actually agree with. People learn from their mistakes, and when those mistakes are exposed, it becomes more of a focus in the future. For example, Fred Davis has been performing very well this offseason and has made great strides, according to the organization. His fumbles last night, while bothersome, and to him for sure, will become a point of focus and he'll become more conscious about it going forward.

after watching the pats game up here in New England I have to disagree. Belicheck played to win and man they looked good. I would never not try to win a game. Not in preseason not ever. When you practice poor preformance you end up playing poorly. Never practice weaknesses always reinforce your strengths and practice to win!!

TincoSkin wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Here is something that I head Zorn say on NFL Network. "We do not gameplan in preseason. We run plays that are supposed to expose our weakness' so we can work on them in practice." That statement right there shows me that Zorn knows exactly what this teams problem is and what they are going to work on because for the most part, nothing really worked.

That's very interesting and a philosophy or approach I actually agree with. People learn from their mistakes, and when those mistakes are exposed, it becomes more of a focus in the future. For example, Fred Davis has been performing very well this offseason and has made great strides, according to the organization. His fumbles last night, while bothersome, and to him for sure, will become a point of focus and he'll become more conscious about it going forward.

after watching the pats game up here in New England I have to disagree. Belicheck played to win and man they looked good. I would never not try to win a game. Not in preseason not ever. When you practice poor preformance you end up playing poorly. Never practice weaknesses always reinforce your strengths and practice to win!!

Then how do you expect to get better at those weaknesses?

One thing I am seeing again this year is excuses for Campbell. Isn't it time that he is given credit for his play rather than blaming it on the number of different schemes he has been in, the poor O-line, just a preseason game, etc, etc, etc. Is there anyone that wouldn't trade Campbell and Collins plus a couple other players for Flacco? Campbell has had what? 4 years and Flacco one. There was no question last night who was the real NFL quarterback. I wish we had one.

aswas71788 wrote:One thing I am seeing again this year is excuses for Campbell. Isn't it time that he is given credit for his play rather than blaming it on the number of different schemes he has been in, the poor O-line, just a preseason game, etc, etc, etc. Is there anyone that wouldn't trade Campbell and Collins plus a couple other players for Flacco? Campbell has had what? 4 years and Flacco one. There was no question last night who was the real NFL quarterback. I wish we had one.

I stopped defending Jason after the Cincinnati game last year. I too wish we had a top tier QB, but unless we go with Collins or Brennan, we are stuck with JC. We just have to hope he gets it together, or Zorn has the nads to bench him. I will say though, that two series is not enough to judge him a total failure yet.

Deadskins wrote:I stopped defending Jason after the Cincinnati game last year. I too wish we had a top tier QB, but unless we go with Collins or Brennan, we are stuck with JC. We just have to hope he gets it together, or Zorn has the nads to bench him. I will say though, that two series is not enough to judge him a total failure yet.

I don't think "nads" are the issue, "options" are the issue. JC has played OK and shown promise. He hasn't done anything to show us he IS the solution. But he "might" be the solution. We don't have anyone else at this point we can say that about other then Hail Mary sort of "might."

And for those who just say we didn't plan, that's why most of the NFL is always looking for the answer. There are not 32 "answers" available at QB in the world. So, most of us end up working with guys like JC we hope can get there.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I stopped defending Jason after the Cincinnati game last year. I too wish we had a top tier QB, but unless we go with Collins or Brennan, we are stuck with JC. We just have to hope he gets it together, or Zorn has the nads to bench him. I will say though, that two series is not enough to judge him a total failure yet.

I don't think "nads" are the issue, "options" are the issue. JC has played OK and shown promise. He hasn't done anything to show us he IS the solution. But he "might" be the solution. We don't have anyone else at this point we can say that about other then Hail Mary sort of "might."

And for those who just say we didn't plan, that's why most of the NFL is always looking for the answer. There are not 32 "answers" available at QB in the world. So, most of us end up working with guys like JC we hope can get there.

A Hail Mary "might" is why he would need the nads.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
That's exactly where I am and to be quite truthful, Jason HAS to be on a short leash...hell they tried to get rid of him.

Why should Jason be on a short leash?
Zorn didn't try to get rid of JC that was "the Danny" doing what he does EVERY off-season. The guy that would control the leash has never said anything other than support Campbell. He stated that Jason is the man from the time the Cutler/Sanchez thingy started and hasn't wavered. Zorn stated the team will be better off with Campbell instead of a rookie this year and that Cutler really wasn't a upgrade when you look at their W-L records, in fact he said it wouldn't have been a good move to bring in Jay.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If Collins has another strong outing and Jason struggles, don't be shocked to see Collins get the nod early in the season. I really could see JC getting benched.

I can't say Collins had or didn't have a strong outing last night, but I can say JC didn't struggle. Jason only played two cracks at it. The first series he started at his own 15 and six plays later if Hagans had held on to a slightly high thrown pass that hit him in the hands Jason would have at least accounted for a FG. Collins first series was a 5 yard yard run by Mason with bookend incompletions on short passing routes (the kind of routes that are abundant in the WCO), aka three and out. He started from his own 23 and they punted from the 28. After JC's first series they punted from the 37 but it should have been the 42. Collins 2nd series ended when he completed a 5 yard pass on 3rd and 6, Jason threw a incompletion to end his 2nd series Hunter punted from the 42 when JC came off the field and the 31 after TC was finished. Both drives started inside the 25.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:See, it's not like we ended the year at 6-2 and I'm getting worried. We went 2-6 doing what happened last night. Game plan or no game plan it looked too familiar. So it's not unreasonable for people to feel iffy right now.

Last year it was the O-line that wasn't a problem last night when you look at the starters. The Line provided both QBs time didn't look all that great run blocking but last nights outcome can't be put on them (unless you are asking Colt). Thomas didn't play but Chad didn't miss a beat (per JC), that wouldn't have happened last year.

We didn't go 2-6 last year doing what we did last night.

Last night Portis didn't play and Cartwright lead the team in rushing, however they never started a drive in the first have north of their own 24 yard line.

They didn't score any points, meaning Suisham may retain his job by default.

Colt was second in rushing. Mainly because we lack depth on the O-line (ok we did see that last year ), but we have no one behind Portis let alone someone to spell him.

It's a lot more missing than game planing in the pre-season. Players didn't play, plays weren't ran. It's not even practice, the starters on offense only played two series and the D starters only played one.

We got things to be concerned about based on what we expect but last night really didn't show us much. The starter will play more the next two weeks and we can get a better look then.

That will only be possible if the sky really isn't falling and last night was a meaningless game.

People point to what SOS did in the pre-season compared to his reg. season record as proof the pre-season is not a good gauge for what will happen. Well not one Redskin Super Bowl team ever won a pre-season game

I thought th punter sucked!

He consitantly kicked long line drives, out kicking his coverage. What god is a 60 yard punt if the return is 25 - 30 yards.

TincoSkin wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Here is something that I head Zorn say on NFL Network. "We do not gameplan in preseason. We run plays that are supposed to expose our weakness' so we can work on them in practice." That statement right there shows me that Zorn knows exactly what this teams problem is and what they are going to work on because for the most part, nothing really worked.

That's very interesting and a philosophy or approach I actually agree with. People learn from their mistakes, and when those mistakes are exposed, it becomes more of a focus in the future. For example, Fred Davis has been performing very well this offseason and has made great strides, according to the organization. His fumbles last night, while bothersome, and to him for sure, will become a point of focus and he'll become more conscious about it going forward.

after watching the pats game up here in New England I have to disagree. Belicheck played to win and man they looked good. I would never not try to win a game. Not in preseason not ever. When you practice poor preformance you end up playing poorly. Never practice weaknesses always reinforce your strengths and practice to win!!

That's an interesting comparison. The Redskins needing to identify and focus on their weaknesses is logically equivalent to the Pats doing it. If I were the Pats and Brady was back after missing a year, I'd be focusing on oiling the engine, not repairing it. And if the Skins O were focusing on oiling the engine I'd laugh.

skinsfan#33 wrote:I thought th punter sucked!

He consitantly kicked long line drives, out kicking his coverage. What god is a 60 yard punt if the return is 25 - 30 yards.

He average about 46 yards per kick and the longest return was around 12 yards ... what were you watching?

aswas71788 wrote:One thing I am seeing again this year is excuses for Campbell. Isn't it time that he is given credit for his play rather than blaming it on the number of different schemes he has been in, the poor O-line, just a preseason game, etc, etc, etc. Is there anyone that wouldn't trade Campbell and Collins plus a couple other players for Flacco? Campbell has had what? 4 years and Flacco one. There was no question last night who was the real NFL quarterback. I wish we had one.

There is a lot of negativity on here considering who played last night and who didn't. The three best players on the team, by a wide margin, all sat last night. The Oline was incomplete and hasn't practiced enough. Campbell was 3-6. One incompletion was overthrown on purpose because the defender was in position for a pick so campbell threw it away. On the Hagans play, Hagans wasn't even part of the play, but Campbell had time and found him anyway. I haven't seen a definitive replay of it, but my understanding is that Hagans mis-timed his jump.

Parts of the starting team played one series on defense and two on offense. After that, it was backups that won't play much and people who won't make the team.

Flacco 60% passing, 2900 yard, 14 td's, 12 picks, 11 fumbles, 32 sacks
Campbell 63% passing, 3200 yards, 13 td's, 6 picks, 7 fumbles, 38 sacks
Yep, Flacco is a massive improvement over Campbell.

In my opinion, put Cambell on the 91 team, and his numbers are as good or better than Rypiens. Campbell can be good enough to win with given a supporting cast.

SnyderSucks wrote:Flacco 60% passing, 2900 yard, 14 td's, 12 picks, 11 fumbles, 32 sacks
Campbell 63% passing, 3200 yards, 13 td's, 6 picks, 7 fumbles, 38 sacks
Yep, Flacco is a massive improvement over Campbell.

LMAO, Flacco was a ROOKIE!!!! That makes your point that much more funny. Oh, Jason is just as good as a rookie QB who only had one WR the entire year. LMAO Let's celebrate!

Jason in his 20th year in the league was as good as a rookie, you showed them!!

Flacco is more decisive, has a quicker release and makes quicker decisions than Jason. It's the truth, maybe Jason will improve but it was apparent last night.

1niksder wrote:Well not one Redskin Super Bowl team ever won a pre-season game

Sure they did. They just didn't have winning records in the pre-season. I think only one of those SB teams actually lost all four pre-season contests, though. Gibbs knew what the pre-season was for, unlike many around here.