Orakpo Signing - Still Waiting

[VetSkinsFan]

Anyway, the good news is that $42/6 is Chris Canty money, which would be a terrible deal for the team. Last year's #13, Jonathan Stewart signed for $20M/5. It's still too early to say what the bump is going to be like this year, but anything over $25/5 won't happen unless the 12 and 14 contracts happen first.

[edit: *would be terrible*. Paying Orakpo more than Carter will be ridiculous until he earns it.]

It is not like Carter has done anything. That is the way it is Rookie contracts are always ridiculous. No reason why we should break the trend and lowball our potential stud athlete.

I would much rather overpay Orakpo and get rid of Carter who has done nada.

Carter will surprise this year, now that there's actually some support on the line.

[Deadskins]

I would much rather overpay Orakpo and get rid of Carter who has done nada.

[langleyparkjoe]

I would much rather overpay Orakpo and get rid of Carter who has done nada.

I take it you don't agree DS?

[Chris Luva Luva]

I would much rather overpay Orakpo and get rid of Carter who has done nada.

LOL....

[PulpExposure]

I hate this topic.

[HEROHAMO]

Anyway, the good news is that $42/6 is Chris Canty money, which would be a terrible deal for the team. Last year's #13, Jonathan Stewart signed for $20M/5. It's still too early to say what the bump is going to be like this year, but anything over $25/5 won't happen unless the 12 and 14 contracts happen first.

[edit: *would be terrible*. Paying Orakpo more than Carter will be ridiculous until he earns it.]

It is not like Carter has done anything. That is the way it is Rookie contracts are always ridiculous. No reason why we should break the trend and lowball our potential stud athlete.

I would much rather overpay Orakpo and get rid of Carter who has done nada.

Carter will surprise this year, now that there's actually some support on the line.

I hope so. So far he has been a big disappointment in my book.

[VetSkinsFan]

I don't believe he's an elite guy, but above average. He needs support in order to shine. With Haynesworth pulling attention, he'll have a good year.

[Chris Luva Luva]

I hope so. So far he has been a big disappointment in my book.

I believe your disappointment has been misplaced. He has had 0 help, he is not Reggie White. He now has help and will be able to shine.

If he sucks with help, then he's a disappointment.

[HEROHAMO]

OK maybe I exaggerated a bit. Carter may shine this season. I hope.

I just think it would not be so bad if we give Orakpo a bigger contract then Carter who has virtually produced nothing. The rookie contract situation in the NFL is what it is. Until there are major changes with that I do not want our front office trying to set a precedence by low balling our high draft pick.

[CanesSkins26]

Blache Weighs in on Orakpo's Holdout

Defensive coordinator Greg Blache usually has strong views, and the holdout of top pick Brian Orakpo was high on his list of concerns after the second session Thursday at Redskins Park.

Blache expected Orakpo to report for the first day of training camp with the rest of the team, but the former University of Texas All-American defensive end missed the first day while his agents continued contract negotiations with the team. The Redskins plan to use Orakpo as an end/strong-side linebacker, and he has a lot of work to do, Blache said.

"Any time a guy's missing practice, somebody's taking his reps," said Blache, who directed the league's No. 4 overall defense last season. "Somebody else is getting better, he's not getting better [and] we're not getting better as a team. When a guy holds out, it doesn't help him; it doesn't help the football team. The only person it benefits is the agent, so he can recruit people next year. What they're fighting about right now [in contract talks], Orakpo couldn't explain it to you in 20 years probably.

"He's a very intelligent person, but it's minute things. That's our business. Those things happen. Guys that aren't here, we don't worry about. When he comes then we worry about him. In the meantime, he's got to make decisions, [and] they [Orakpo and his agents] have to make decision. But you know what? We've got to make decisions. We're moving forward."

With Orakpo missing from camp, linebacker Alfred Fincher and defensive end/linebacker Chris Wilson played significantly at strong-side linebacker. The plan is for Orakpo to fill that role with the first team.

"I'm a rookie out of college, playing a new position, and I'm missing those reps?" Blache said. "I'm not getting those opportunities? I wouldn't want to do that."

Primarily a hand-down rusher for the Longhorns, Orakpo would have to work more in space in pass coverage if he successfully made the transition to linebacker. "We saw some of it in the OTAs, but I just think it's something he hasn't done a lot of," Blache said. "He needs all the work he can do at it."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/blache-weighs-in-on-orakpos-ho.html#more

[Gibbs4Life]

This is BS. Goodell needs to step in and do something. Who is the one guy that is holding it up and what the heck!? Crabtree? He's only about the $$$ thats where his heart is, thats why he fell down the board, and the people in SF couldn't negotiate a deal w/subway for a 5 dollar footlong apparently. Orakpo has too much potential to be waisted unlike Crabtree, its a real shame and this is why people hate on the PRO game and i have trouble defending it. Roger Goodell needs to step in and start capping rookie salary and just say here is the maximum contract for ever draft spot. Ridiculous and a disservice to the fans.

[Countertrey]

This is BS. Goodell needs to step in and do something. Who is the one guy that is holding it up and what the heck!? Crabtree? He's only about the $$$ thats where his heart is, thats why he fell down the board, and the people in SF couldn't negotiate a deal w/subway for a 5 dollar footlong apparently. Orakpo has too much potential to be waisted unlike Crabtree, its a real shame and this is why people hate on the PRO game and i have trouble defending it. Roger Goodell needs to step in and start capping rookie salary and just say here is the maximum contract for ever draft spot. Ridiculous and a disservice to the fans.

Davis should have known better... but he gets hot for speed, and gets blinded. Can't blame the kid... he knows he's not as good as his draft position, and knows that this will likely be his only shot at truly big money.

To suggest that Goodell can do something about it, btw, is ridiculous. There IS a collective bargaining agreement still in place.

And, the payscale is the payscale. All the picks know, within a few hundred thou, what they are worth. Orakpo should finish negotiating and show up.

[Gibbs4Life]

Goodell can do anything he wants to; he could pull out the collective bargaining agreement and wipe his backside with it, remember the SCABS! Leadership means doing whats right even when its unpopular and I'd like to see some action from the league, to have that many top prospects not involved is cheating the fans. Every day Orakpo misses camp our chances of beating the Giants diminish a little bit imo.

[Countertrey]

Goodell can do anything he wants to; he could pull out the collective bargaining agreement and wipe his backside with it, remember the SCABS! Leadership means doing whats right even when its unpopular and I'd like to see some action from the league, to have that many top prospects not involved is cheating the fans. Every day Orakpo misses camp our chances of beating the Giants diminish a little bit imo.

Yeah... my grandchildren believe in magic, too, but they'll probably grow out of it at some point.

Do I remember the "SCABS" (who, btw, on two occasions, ensured the Redskins a playoff spot that led to a Lombardi trophy, so, thank God we had them)? Yes. I also remember that, unlike NOW, there was no collective bargaining agreement in effect, AND the players were on strike, giving the League the right to do pretty much anything they damn well pleased.

Contracts are binding. The lawsuit that would result would likely cause more damage to the NFL than the first Major League Baseball strike that nearly destroyed that game. Hopefully, common sense will prevail at the negotiations for the next collective bargaining agreement.

No one disputes that Orakpo needs to be in camp. But, so what? Goodell can't wave a wand and make him, or any other rook, agree to terms... I don't like it either, but he'll be here when he gets here.

Excuse me... I believe the tooth fairy is at my door...

[Gibbs4Life]

Blache nailed it today. Right now its about getting this team ready to open in NY and WIN. That is a game that could do wonders for the organization from top to bottom in terms of confidence and respect not to mention contending for the division and throw on top of that revenge for last year.

[Countertrey]

True dat.

[Manchester_Redskin]

Just a thought about capping the rookie salary levels depending on draft position ....

supposing you are the #1 ranked QB going into the draft ... the next marino, manning etc etc, yet the first few teams in the draft are the colts, giants, steelers etc , that dont need a Qb .... so you drop to like the number 5 spot ... in a different year you would have gone number 1 no problem ... why should you just get #5 salary and not number 1 salary? Players should be paid according to their worth to the team , not their draft position .... just because they drop several places in the pecking order because some nut of an owner in LA likes people that run fast

[Gibbs4Life]

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