Theismann: Jason Campbell poised to earn first Pro Bowl bid

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HEROHAMO wrote:Mighty optimistic comments coming from Joe T. Anyhow I sure hope he is right. We all want a solid season out of Jason Campbell. Get us to the playoffs and I will be a happy camper. Pro Bowl will be difficult considering the Qbs in the NFC.


+1 Lets worry about winning games before we start hoping JC can make the probowl


Did you not see the part where it says get us to the playoffs? :D

Yeah of course I want us to win games. Usually a pro Bowl QB is winning games as well.
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VetSkinsFan wrote:Add a fresh offensive line, a fresh CP, and a strong defense that really did nothing but upgrade, I wouldn't be surprised if we pulled off 4-0. More realistically, 3-1, since the Giants and the Bucs could give us a little trouble, we can split those two and run the other two.


I agree with the above. If we had fresh offensive line and a fresh line and a fresh CP we would be much better. Unfortunately, Dockery is only a slight upgrade and is known for allowing sacks: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other and another player in the same condition is at guard; and at center is a medicre player who allows his share of sacks. As for CP, it's hard to see how he's going to last any longer than he did last year. The line is no better, just older in spots, and can't be counted on to provide better blocking; and our receivers, with the exception of Cooley, are inexperienced and unproven or already proven to be mediocre.

Rational odds are wildly against JC this season, which for him will be at stressful, career making or breaking season. But if you look over the lineup carefully, you'll see that only he and CP and Cooley have good shots at avoiding Redskin attempts to upgrade next season.

Our chance for sucess this season on offense lies chiefly with Kelly and Thomas having unlikely seasons and the emergence of great help from unexpected sources.
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crazyhorse1 wrote: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other


Are you talking about the tackle that just returned from Hawaii... you know, from playing in his sixth Pro Bowl? :roll:
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crazyhorse1 wrote: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other


Are you talking about the tackle that just returned from Hawaii... you know, from playing in his sixth Pro Bowl? :roll:


Yup. We fell apart when he was hurt last year and what I hear is that his ankle is in serious doubt. We'll be hurtin' if he doesn't come back in top form or leaves early. Thomas' health is also a question mark-- he's more beat up than Samuels and his return at all is heroic. Here's hoping the long shot bet on Mike Williams pays off. If so, our Oline might be improved this year. Otherwise, no. It's too much to expect that we'll be able to patch holes with other reserves. If our luck is less than good, we'll end the season three sub par Olineman to go with two mediocre ones, CP tiring early. and JC trying to make plays from his back.

The failure of the FO to acquire OLinemen could produce a disaster that won't end anytime soon. We're even taking chances on D with Okrapo, who dropped to us in the draft because his motor is suspect. Even if he makes it, we won't be a super D. Fat Albert doesn't finish seasons and Griff is past his prime and there will be weakness at LB or DE. Our FO is the least in the East and the best in PR. Theisman is a company guy and a loyal homer who pronostications mean nothing but sold seats.

If you believe JC will be a vastly improved QB this year because of coaching and eureka moments, you probably swallowed the same line a couple of times before. Larry Brown was the last Redskin to become a star because someone fitted him with a hearing aid. JC will improve when he has blocking in front of him and superior receivers, plus a system that fits him. The only QB the skins have had in recent memory who could play with miserable support was Ramsay, and, of course, he was blown out blown out by the experience. JC is probably on his way to Ramsay-land, yips and all.

The first time I saw Ramsay play he was the most oblivious to the rush of any QB I had ever seen. The last time I saw Ramsay play he was running up and down the offensive line before every play unconsciously trying to plug the unknown hole from which his next obliteration was coming. Gibbs probably dumped him because was he (Gibbs) was becoming a nervous wreck. like me, wondering if Ramsay would call for the snap before time ran out.
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crazyhorse1 wrote:
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crazyhorse1 wrote: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other


Are you talking about the tackle that just returned from Hawaii... you know, from playing in his sixth Pro Bowl? :roll:


Yup. We fell apart when he was hurt last year and what I hear is that his ankle is in serious doubt.


I have not heard or read anything regarding questions or doubts with Samuels health or ankle. If there were serious concerns with Samuels health, I seriously doubt he or the organization would risk further injury by Samuels participation in the Pro Bowl. So if you've "heard" or read about alleged doubt, please post the source you're referring to.

crazyhorse1 wrote: Thomas' health is also a question mark-- he's more beat up than Samuels and his return at all is heroic. Here's hoping the long shot bet on Mike Williams pays off.


Well... we don't currently know about Thomas' health or the progress Mike Williams is making. But I have read quotes from Williams' teammates stating he's looking pretty good. And to be honest, I have far more respect for the opinions of his teammates and coaches who actually see him on a daily basis verses the habitually negative ramblings from someone that is constantly speculating disaster from a position of ignorance, especially since you haven't witnessed a thing so far this offseason. I think most thought Williams was signed to compete for the RT position, and perhaps so, but if he's "beasting" defenders at the OG position, he could be considered decent depth.

From an interview with Brian Orakpo wrote:Orakpo also said former Longhorn offensive tackle Mike Williams had gotten the Redskins coaches' attention in recent workouts.

Labeled a bust after being drafted fourth overall by Buffalo in 2002, the 6-6 Williams is back in football after a three-year absence. His weight reportedly ballooned to 450 pounds at one point, but a recent Washington Times article listed him as weighing 365 and reported he had a goal of dropping 20 more pounds.

"He's playing with a chip on his shoulder at the guard position," Orakpo said. "He's just beasting guys out there. He's playing like he has a lot to prove to a lot of people and to himself as well."


crazyhorse1 wrote:The failure of the FO to acquire OLinemen could produce a disaster that won't end anytime soon.


The "failure" you allege was rather an informed decision based inside knowledge from the coaches. The coaches know what they already have, they see them everyday, and also studied film of the prospects. If one of the top three OT's had fallen in the draft, I think they would've taken one of them. But since that didn't happen, the benefit of the doubt is extended to the coaches, and arguably one of the premiere o-line coaches in the game in Joe Bugal, that the players they already have on the roster are better suited to perform verses a mid to late round rookie prospect.

Heyer has improved every year since his arrival and there's no reason to conclude his improvements have reached an apex or will diminish. He's an excellent pass blocker and simply needs to improve his run blocking. With a coach like Buges, I see no reason why he can't. Jeremy Bridges was a free agent signing and has recently earned praise from the coaches. Beyond that, Buges has recently said there's a night and day difference from what they see in Chad Rinehart and Zorn has also praised D'Anthony Batiste. So unless you have some firsthand knowledge that these guys aren't at least solid for the purposes of depth, the benefit of the doubt goes to the coaches.
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Joey T. is being overtly positive about his ex team.

For Campbell to reach the ProBowl--and believe me I wish with all my heart he would--the O-line needs to step up. You can expect Campbell by himself, coupled with an erratic O-line, to lead this team to the playoffs or the ProBowl.

From what we have seen for the past two season, you need to account a lot of factors for Campbell to have success: a healthy running game, a line that gives him some time and receivers who can actually get open and catch the ball, not counting Moss or Cooley.

If any one of those intangibles starts to sputer, Campbell has enormous problems handling the offense, as we have seen in the past.
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crazyhorse1 wrote: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other


Are you talking about the tackle that just returned from Hawaii... you know, from playing in his sixth Pro Bowl? :roll:


You got to admit SkinsFreak that Samuels even though he made it to the pro bowl is declining. I did see him get beat more than usual last year. I think Crazyhorse is over reacting but he has a valid point. If Samuels goes down this year for more than a few games we could be in huge trouble. Yes, Heyer does seem to get a little better every year but will it be enough to play LT? If he isn't slotted to back up there then who will? He didn't look good there at all last year. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Samuels is healthy all year. This has everything to do with how JC plays this year but I am sure I will be told I am just making excuses. I do like the fact that you are upbeat and not being pessimistic but in the back of my mind I am a little worried too.
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Samuels was playing injured last year. That is when he was getting beat. The real question is will he be healthy next year? If so he should put in a solid season.
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crazyhorse1 wrote: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other


Are you talking about the tackle that just returned from Hawaii... you know, from playing in his sixth Pro Bowl? :roll:


You got to admit SkinsFreak that Samuels even though he made it to the pro bowl is declining. I did see him get beat more than usual last year. I think Crazyhorse is over reacting but he has a valid point. If Samuels goes down this year for more than a few games we could be in huge trouble. Yes, Heyer does seem to get a little better every year but will it be enough to play LT? If he isn't slotted to back up there then who will? He didn't look good there at all last year. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Samuels is healthy all year. This has everything to do with how JC plays this year but I am sure I will be told I am just making excuses. I do like the fact that you are upbeat and not being pessimistic but in the back of my mind I am a little worried too.


Well, Samuels performance was hampered by a knee injury last year, so if he got beat a few more times than normal, one would expect that playing with an injury. Samuels knee injury wasn't significant however. The MRI at the time revealed no structural damage at all. He simply had some inflamed cartilage behind his knee, and although painful, he was able to play.

There was no structural or ligament damage and his knee is 100% healthy now. The tricep injury he suffered last December was surgically repaired and he was able to play in the Pro Bowl in February. If there was any doubt regarding Samuels health, there's no way in hell the organization would risk further injury by having their best lineman play in an exhibition game. Chris Samuels is 31, completely healthy, and in my opinion, has several good years left in him.

Crazyhorse1 said he heard that Samuels "ankle injury is in serious doubt.". I haven't heard that... so show me.
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Tuss76 wrote:He plays this entire season like he did the first 8 games of the 09' season.

08' Season, but your right he was flawless the first half last year and we were all impressed. After he threw that first interception he fell apart the rest of the season. Seems like the o-line stopped protecting him. Were there that many injuries to our line?

Yes, I pray that he plays the whole season this year like those first 8 last year. As a person I like JC alot, he handles himself very well imo.



I think the INT shook his confidence. I'm waiting to see how he responds to his 1st INT this year.



What shook his confidence more was that Samuels was hurt and wasn't keeping the tigers off his back for the rest of the season. There were also systemic breakdown across the front five. Unitas could have done zip the second half-- Portis was also through for the year and Moss became a short yardage receiver. Campbell had no one to throw to because Zorn wouldn't throw to anyone but Cooley and Moss and sometimes Randal when he also ran short. The running game became non-existent. There's little or no reason this won't happen again. Dockery's an upgrade for Pete on run blocking but a downgrade in regard to pass blocking. Thomas's neck and head are wired in place and he shouldn't be on the field, Heyer is sub par for the NFL, Casey's just average, and Samuel is unlikely to ever again reach past levels-- check out his ankle.
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crazyhorse1 wrote: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other


Are you talking about the tackle that just returned from Hawaii... you know, from playing in his sixth Pro Bowl? :roll:


You got to admit SkinsFreak that Samuels even though he made it to the pro bowl is declining. I did see him get beat more than usual last year. I think Crazyhorse is over reacting but he has a valid point. If Samuels goes down this year for more than a few games we could be in huge trouble. Yes, Heyer does seem to get a little better every year but will it be enough to play LT? If he isn't slotted to back up there then who will? He didn't look good there at all last year. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Samuels is healthy all year. This has everything to do with how JC plays this year but I am sure I will be told I am just making excuses. I do like the fact that you are upbeat and not being pessimistic but in the back of my mind I am a little worried too.


Well, Samuels performance was hampered by a knee injury last year, so if he got beat a few more times than normal, one would expect that playing with an injury. Samuels knee injury wasn't significant however. The MRI at the time revealed no structural damage at all. He simply had some inflamed cartilage behind his knee, and although painful, he was able to play.

There was no structural or ligament damage and his knee is 100% healthy now. The tricep injury he suffered last December was surgically repaired and he was able to play in the Pro Bowl in February. If there was any doubt regarding Samuels health, there's no way in hell the organization would risk further injury by having their best lineman play in an exhibition game. Chris Samuels is 31, completely healthy, and in my opinion, has several good years left in him.

Crazyhorse1 said he heard that Samuels "ankle injury is in serious doubt.". I haven't heard that... so show me.


Can't find the columns I read that discuss Samuels' and Thomas' injuries, but you can find record of all three Samuels injuries-- tricepts, knee, and ankle on Google by entering "Chris Samuels ankle." Also, entering "Randy Thomas injuries Redskins" on Google is enough to chill anyone. He should be retiring, not playing.
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The only way it can happen is if new receivers step up and the RT plays well above expectations. Campbell is not a QB that can overcome a bad o-line and bad receivers. Thats ok, because no qb's can. That is why nobody really knows what Campbell is capable of. However, Pro Bowl predictions after last year is a little much. I do think he will show improvement, he made a lot of strides last year to move better in the pocket and release the ball more quickly. He should continue to build on that.
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brad7686 wrote:The only way it can happen is if new receivers step up and the RT plays well above expectations. Campbell is not a QB that can overcome a bad o-line and bad receivers. Thats ok, because no qb's can. That is why nobody really knows what Campbell is capable of. However, Pro Bowl predictions after last year is a little much. I do think he will show improvement, he made a lot of strides last year to move better in the pocket and release the ball more quickly. He should continue to build on that.



To your remarks I would add only that Samuels and Thomas must return to accustomed form and stay there throughout the season. Too much attention is paid to Campbell. In fact, he and Cooley and Sellers are the least of our worries on offense. CP would join the above group but his endurance is an issue. Of the three named above, Cooley's by far the best bet for a pro-bowl year. I prefer "pro-bowl year" to "pro-bowl" because there's too many political and other reasons than actual performance for being named to the pro-bowl. There are injustices and poor selections every year based on apple and orange comparisons, hype, past performances, etc.
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Hey I am a fan of JT as much as anyone, but you are wearing burgundy colored glasses if you believe him. He has the Skins in the SuperBowl every year preseason, even if they go 0-4 or 0-5 in the preseason. It's funny really, but I do like his optimism.

Personally, I think the better assessment is that if things gel, if people stay healthy, then yes - the sky is the limit. I think CP will continue to carry the team, if by wrenching out gut-busting 2-4 yd runs is what it takes. I hope that the vertical threat will be better and ease up the pressure on the running game, but I think the entire league knows the following:

Throwing everything at the Skins' QB, stop the run and you can guarantee a win.

With our O-line, I really am worried about this season. We will be a stellar defense once again (always underrated), but I am not sure we will see a big difference in the offense. The skill positions are stronger, but the Oline is weaker. Net gain = nothing, maybe slight loss overall on O.

In this scenario, no way in hell Campbell or any other QB wearing the burgundy and gold would be selected for a pro bowl. Just my two cents. I hope I am wrong.
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crazyhorse1 wrote:
brad7686 wrote:The only way it can happen is if new receivers step up and the RT plays well above expectations. Campbell is not a QB that can overcome a bad o-line and bad receivers. Thats ok, because no qb's can. That is why nobody really knows what Campbell is capable of. However, Pro Bowl predictions after last year is a little much. I do think he will show improvement, he made a lot of strides last year to move better in the pocket and release the ball more quickly. He should continue to build on that.



To your remarks I would add only that Samuels and Thomas must return to accustomed form and stay there throughout the season. Too much attention is paid to Campbell. In fact, he and Cooley and Sellers are the least of our worries on offense. CP would join the above group but his endurance is an issue. Of the three named above, Cooley's by far the best bet for a pro-bowl year. I prefer "pro-bowl year" to "pro-bowl" because there's too many political and other reasons than actual performance for being named to the pro-bowl. There are injustices and poor selections every year based on apple and orange comparisons, hype, past performances, etc.


They're running CP in to the ground. I'd gamble that it's quite the exception as opposed to the norm to illustrate a back that gets CP's carries and stays healthy. Keep in mind that we may not have the most carries as a team, but we're not running tandems or committee backfields like other teams; it's all on the shoulders of CP. Blame Zorn/Gibbs for CP's durability issues, not CP.
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crazyhorse1 wrote:
SkinsFreak wrote:
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crazyhorse1 wrote: a young player with limited potential is at one tackle; an old player near the end of his career and trying to come back from injury is at the other


Are you talking about the tackle that just returned from Hawaii... you know, from playing in his sixth Pro Bowl? :roll:


You got to admit SkinsFreak that Samuels even though he made it to the pro bowl is declining. I did see him get beat more than usual last year. I think Crazyhorse is over reacting but he has a valid point. If Samuels goes down this year for more than a few games we could be in huge trouble. Yes, Heyer does seem to get a little better every year but will it be enough to play LT? If he isn't slotted to back up there then who will? He didn't look good there at all last year. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Samuels is healthy all year. This has everything to do with how JC plays this year but I am sure I will be told I am just making excuses. I do like the fact that you are upbeat and not being pessimistic but in the back of my mind I am a little worried too.


Well, Samuels performance was hampered by a knee injury last year, so if he got beat a few more times than normal, one would expect that playing with an injury. Samuels knee injury wasn't significant however. The MRI at the time revealed no structural damage at all. He simply had some inflamed cartilage behind his knee, and although painful, he was able to play.

There was no structural or ligament damage and his knee is 100% healthy now. The tricep injury he suffered last December was surgically repaired and he was able to play in the Pro Bowl in February. If there was any doubt regarding Samuels health, there's no way in hell the organization would risk further injury by having their best lineman play in an exhibition game. Chris Samuels is 31, completely healthy, and in my opinion, has several good years left in him.

Crazyhorse1 said he heard that Samuels "ankle injury is in serious doubt.". I haven't heard that... so show me.


Can't find the columns I read that discuss Samuels' and Thomas' injuries, but you can find record of all three Samuels injuries-- tricepts, knee, and ankle on Google by entering "Chris Samuels ankle." Also, entering "Randy Thomas injuries Redskins" on Google is enough to chill anyone. He should be retiring, not playing.


I shared information regarding Samuels past knee and triceps injuries, former injuries to which he's currently healed from. YOU mentioned "serious doubts regarding an ankle injury."

Umm... did you actually google "Chris Samuels ankle injury"? I did. I'm betting the reason you can't find the columns specifically discussing Samuels ankle is because there aren't any. Other than a "Sunday, 10/19/2008 NFL injury report", where Samuels is listed as "questionable" from a slight ankle injury, as I suspected, there's no information... anywhere... regarding Samuels and an ankle injury. When you do a search for "Samuels ankle injury" on Redskins.com, all you get there is a report from 2004. If I'm missing it... please just show us.

As I previously posted, Samuels former knee and triceps injuries are healed and pose no current problems. If you have conflicting information, please share it with us. If not, just admit to blowing smoke and hyperbole, because there's been no reports out of Redskins Park this offseason, which I have personally read - and I follow the Skins offseason very closely, regarding any doubts or concerns with Samuels.
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That is why nobody really knows what Campbell is capable of. However, Pro Bowl predictions after last year is a little much.

I disagree. I believe the folks that have actually watched JC so far this offseason have a pretty good idea what he's capable of.
Hey I am a fan of JT as much as anyone, but you are wearing burgundy colored glasses if you believe him.


I find it increasingly comical that current and ex players and coaches don't get the benefit of the doubt but a few disgruntled fans with a keyboard think they know more. Joey T. is a former NFL QB with a Super Bowl ring. The "experts" that pinned JC as a mid-season MVP last year where all either ex players or coaches with no relationship to the Redskins. Recent comments regarding JC are from his teammates, coaches and those that actually see, watch and witness his offseason improvements and speak from an eyewitness position with firsthand knowledge.

You see, these guys actually see what JC is currently doing... with emphasis applied to "currently". To say "you are wearing burgundy colored glasses if you believe him", when Joey T. has firsthand knowledge of the situation, is just ludicrous. What current evidence do you have to the contrary? I believe the guys with professional experience who actually witness and watch JC on a daily basis during this offseason.

Here are some comments made by Chris Cooley yesterday...

Chris Cooley wrote:I think the Washington Redskins are going to have an outstanding season and win a ton of games. We've done everything a team can do in the offseason to get better. Jason Campbell is so close to being one of the best QB's in the league; he will have a great year. Note -- I have to say all this regardless, but it's nice to actually believe it.


Nobody knows what will happen going forward, but from my perspective, the people that are actually in the know, meaning current and ex-players and the coaches, those who watch these guys on a daily basis and have actual firsthand knowledge, get the benefit of the doubt.
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crazyhorse1 wrote:Also, entering "Randy Thomas injuries Redskins" on Google is enough to chill anyone. He should be retiring, not playing.


You know, I was thinking about what you said regarding Thomas as well. Maybe that's the problem... you're going to google to read about PAST injuries, many from years ago, yet ignoring the recent reports regarding his current health status. If you go to Redskins.com, you'll see recent videos from last month of Thomas weight lifting in the gym and working out on the field... and there's no evidence of lingering neck or triceps issues. You'll also see one-on-one video interviews and podcasts with Thomas where he says his health is good, he's taking it slow for precautionary measures and will be 100% come training camp. He also admits there's open competition at the RG position and concedes he'll need to impress during his training camp workouts. So while there's always injury concerns in a contact sport, it appears you prefer attempts to scare everyone with the what-ifs, exaggerations of the current truths and the doom and gloom predictions of the impending disasters from the Redskins apocalypse.
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Just saw this... which is exactly where I'm coming from...

Monday, July 13: Still More On Jason Campbell, From Noted Potter Chris Cooley

Posted Jul 13th 2009 10:15AM by Matt Terl (author feed)

If you watch the video above of Chris Cooley working the pottery wheel, you might not guess that behind that placid, almost hippie-like exterior lies a man of very, very, VERY strong opinions. Fortunately, Peter King has gone on vacation and left his popular Monday Morning Quarterback column to a series of NFL players, and this week it's Cooley's turn.

Within one paragraph, Cooley works in an amusing potshot at Trent Green. In paragraph two, it's NFL kickers. Paragraph three is fairly tame, but by paragraph four the whole NFL officiating system is on blast and Ed Hochuli is called out by name. There's no need to go through all of them -- in the final paragraph, Vikings center Matt Birk and Eagles QB Donovan McNabb get it as well -- but you get the idea: Cooley is a man of very firm opinions, and he's not remotely shy about stating them whenever he's given a platform.

So here's what he has to say about the Redskins upcoming season in general, and Jason Campbell in particular.

---I think the Washington Redskins are going to have an outstanding season and win a ton of games. We've done everything a team can do in the offseason to get better. Jason Campbell is so close to being one of the best QB's in the league; he will have a great year. Note -- I have to say all this regardless, but it's nice to actually believe it.

Love the semi-colon. Anyhow, Cooley's wrong about one thing here: he doesn't actually have to say all of that. Yes, he should probably come out in support of his team, his quarterback, and so on, but he could get away with not mentioning Campbell at all, or with offering up half-hearted non-specific praise. He doesn't do that.

He also doesn't stop at "better than people think" or "a capable field general" or anything equally mealy-mouthed. He goes all the way to "close to being one of the best QB's in the league."

When I posted on Friday about Joe Theismann saying something similar (albeit with much less enthusiasm), the response was mixed, as you'd expect. And even today's Sporting News echoes the negative interpretation of Campbell's offesason. But what stands out to me is that the negative stuff seems to be coming from people who are interpreting the team's rumored offseason moves, whereas the optimistic stuff is coming from people -- Cooley, Theismann -- who have actually seen Campbell in offseason work.

If it were the other way around, if Chris Cooley had gone on MMQB and not felt compelled to praise Campbell, all the speculative optimism in the world wouldn't seem nearly as encouraging. The way these things are coming out, though, I'm finding it difficult not to be extremely hopeful.
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brad7686 wrote:The only way it can happen is if new receivers step up and the RT plays well above expectations. Campbell is not a QB that can overcome a bad o-line and bad receivers. Thats ok, because no qb's can. That is why nobody really knows what Campbell is capable of. However, Pro Bowl predictions after last year is a little much. I do think he will show improvement, he made a lot of strides last year to move better in the pocket and release the ball more quickly. He should continue to build on that.



To your remarks I would add only that Samuels and Thomas must return to accustomed form and stay there throughout the season. Too much attention is paid to Campbell. In fact, he and Cooley and Sellers are the least of our worries on offense. CP would join the above group but his endurance is an issue. Of the three named above, Cooley's by far the best bet for a pro-bowl year. I prefer "pro-bowl year" to "pro-bowl" because there's too many political and other reasons than actual performance for being named to the pro-bowl. There are injustices and poor selections every year based on apple and orange comparisons, hype, past performances, etc.


They're running CP in to the ground. I'd gamble that it's quite the exception as opposed to the norm to illustrate a back that gets CP's carries and stays healthy. Keep in mind that we may not have the most carries as a team, but we're not running tandems or committee backfields like other teams; it's all on the shoulders of CP. Blame Zorn/Gibbs for CP's durability issues, not CP.


I do blame Zorn for CP's durability, as well as former coaches and the FO.
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I am not a Campbell fan as our QB but that is not because I do not think he has the physical attributes to play the position - on the contrary, I think that given the right circumstances, Campbell could produce statistics with the best QBs in the league - my only concern with Campbell lies in his decision making in that he's not "quick" enough and he has not shown the type of leadership that, in my opinion, we need. These traits may show up this year but I think the offensive line has to be great and he needs a true #1 WR so that Moss can be the devastating #2 WR that we need. IF Thomas can be our # 1 WR and we can start to utilize both Cooley and Davis in some 2 TE formations, then we will see some offensive stats to please everyone

I do not think it is fair to judge Campbell on what we have seen, especially last year when it was both Zorn's first year AND there were a lot of other issues that were not Campbell's fault that were causing our offense to not be productive.

I am very hopeful that Campbell can be a very good QB this year and that he will be able to stay here, with Jim Zorn, as we develop our next great QB in the near future :lol:
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Well according to the WR's coach, Zorn really cut off the after burners in the 2nd half of the season. Who the heck knows why but he did. So after reading that, more of the blame falls upon Zorn IMO. I thought it was Jason who didn't have the balls to get the offense moving, it was Zorn. Just like how Zorn was too afraid to make a change at PR. Just like how he had Thrash as our 3rd WR. Playing conservative got us what? 2-6 for the 2nd half of the season? If he had juiced things up a bit it may have resulted in the same record but, wouldn't some of our young players be that much further developed with gameday experience?
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Chris Luva Luva wrote:Well according to the WR's coach, Zorn really cut off the after burners in the 2nd half of the season. Who the heck knows why but he did. So after reading that, more of the blame falls upon Zorn IMO. I thought it was Jason who didn't have the balls to get the offense moving, it was Zorn. Just like how Zorn was too afraid to make a change at PR. Just like how he had Thrash as our 3rd WR. Playing conservative got us what? 2-6 for the 2nd half of the season? If he had juiced things up a bit it may have resulted in the same record but, wouldn't some of our young players be that much further developed with gameday experience?


This brings up an issue that I was a little mystified about last year - I think someone last year pointed out that after the success of the first part of the season, Zorn seemed to "coach" a lot more 'conservatively'. I am not sure that he was coaching "scared", or what, but he seemed to be coaching "not to lose" and rather than trying to make the offense more diverse he was using plays that were a lot less likely to blow up on him :?
We do know that he did not seem to want to look at any of the 3 new guys even when it seemed that the experience might be of benefit to everyone :roll:

I hope Joe T is right about our offense being good enough that Campbell can make it to the Pro Bowl but a lot of other factors than just an improvement from Campbell have to happen for that scenario to play out.
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ive had a theory about why zorn reeled it in during the second half of the season... do you think he took a page out of the joe gibbs playbook? he may have seen the team he inherited and thought it was built for a possesion, clock managment type of game plan. just a thought.
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Will anybody be surprised if Joey lands a broadcasting gig in any of the Snyder radio stations? I do not think Brian Mitchell would be surprised.


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