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Manchester_Redskin wrote:Michael Oher

Not bad AT ALL.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:It's a poor way to use your time hoping other teams will do something really stupid instead of using your time and effort productively. Then again, they are the Rams...

All agents, all teams, all players play the Skins wildcard to their advantage ...

True. And the media hypes endless stereotypical nonsense around the same that a guy who became a billionaire is a nit wit who would make any stupid trade and a lot of saps fall for it either because they don't know any better or it fits their personal agenda. Or both.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:It's a poor way to use your time hoping other teams will do something really stupid instead of using your time and effort productively. Then again, they are the Rams...

All agents, all teams, all players play the Skins wildcard to their advantage ...

True. And the media hypes endless stereotypical nonsense around the same that a guy who became a billionaire is a nit wit who would make any stupid trade and a lot of saps fall for it either because they don't know any better or it fits their personal agenda. Or both.

It seems to work given the times tha it is tried successfully.

I dont understand it Kazoo or even pretend to. I only know that there is always a way. At least I figure there is. I could be completely off base I am only guessing.

I'm thinking that, unless one of the top 4 OT's is availible, they will select the best availible that fits a need.

I have no idea what their board looks like, so I won't venture beyond that


Having said that, I will now go out on a limb, and predict that: they will do something.

jdubya wrote: Can't someone tell the Danny to snap out of it??

Some of us are endlessly trying to. To the chagrin of some others as you can tell

Countertrey wrote:I'm thinking that, unless one of the top 4 OT's is availible, they will select the best availible that fits a need.

I have no idea what their board looks like, so I won't venture beyond that


Having said that, I will now go out on a limb, and predict that: they will do something.

or maybe they could be held hostage by an irate fan. Maybe they wont pick anyone.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

jdubya wrote: Can't someone tell the Danny to snap out of it??

Some of us are endlessly trying to. To the chagrin of some others as you can tell

We should have organized a "Snap out of it, Danny!!" demonstration at the stadium today.

Countertrey wrote:Having said that, I will now go out on a limb, and predict that: they will do something.

Safe limb that is.

something ... trustworthy? ... spectacular? ... benefitial? ... Wise?

Silence speaks volumes either way sometimes.

is there ANY possible chance the Duke Robinson will fall to 3rd round? i've seen a few mock draft that does. i was just wondering what anyone else thought.

Jeremy81 wrote:is there ANY possible chance the Duke Robinson will fall to 3rd round? i've seen a few mock draft that does. i was just wondering what anyone else thought.

Interesting...If we could get Maualuga and Duke in the 3rd that would make my day.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:All I know is that I have a foreboding sense of dread. I want to see us go ultra-conservative with this draft. Just pick the best guy at our position of need with each pick. Little-to-no trading (not even trading down!), nothing flashy, and I'll be happy.

The way I look at it is that we've made our bed, traded away many of our picks, and if we just accept it this year, deal with the consequences, and move on, our future looks a lot brighter.

I agree Irn-Bru, except the trading down is OK with me if we don't have the guys we want available at #13. But trading up and it making sense is hard to imagine unless someone just gives us a pick for below value and you sure can't count on that. But you never know, teams to things like the year we traded #5 to the Aints for all their picks so they could draft a pot head.

Ahh, I miss Casserly

Scottskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:All I know is that I have a foreboding sense of dread. I want to see us go ultra-conservative with this draft. Just pick the best guy at our position of need with each pick. Little-to-no trading (not even trading down!), nothing flashy, and I'll be happy.

The way I look at it is that we've made our bed, traded away many of our picks, and if we just accept it this year, deal with the consequences, and move on, our future looks a lot brighter.

I agree Irn-Bru, except the trading down is OK with me if we don't have the guys we want available at #13. But trading up and it making sense is hard to imagine unless someone just gives us a pick for below value and you sure can't count on that. But you never know, teams to things like the year we traded #5 to the Aints for all their picks so they could draft a pot head.

Ahh, I miss Casserly

Yeah, that was a heck of a trade. On the other hand, the number of high level picks we got should have set us up as a threat for the Superbowl for the following 5 years. We couldn't convert... Blame whom you want, but Casserly was a part of that, as well.

Kilmer72 wrote:I dont understand it Kazoo or even pretend to. I only know that there is always a way. At least I figure there is. I could be completely off base I am only guessing.

Well, I agree with you there is always "a way." I'm saying there is no realistic way and I find speculating the Rams at #2 are spending their time playing games with the Redskins at #13 to be a serious stretch.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

jdubya wrote: Can't someone tell the Danny to snap out of it??

Some of us are endlessly trying to. To the chagrin of some others as you can tell

Um..no. No one is saying that Snyder is a perfect owner. It's your extremism regarding that anything he does is wrong even when he HASN'T DONE IT that's the point. Spin all you want.

What a day. I will not be surprised by anything that happens today. Jc could be gone, Boldin could end up here, Quinn could end up here, Sanchez could be our next new shiny franchise QB, or we could be dealing with Ocho Cinco!

What I really want to happen is for Andre Smith to fall to us. But realistically, I expect us to get Michael Oher. And I'd be quite happy with that! We could use him at RT for 2-3 years while Samuels finishes out his Pro bowl years and then move him into his natural LT spot, where he dominates for years to come....

Scottskins wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:All I know is that I have a foreboding sense of dread. I want to see us go ultra-conservative with this draft. Just pick the best guy at our position of need with each pick. Little-to-no trading (not even trading down!), nothing flashy, and I'll be happy.

The way I look at it is that we've made our bed, traded away many of our picks, and if we just accept it this year, deal with the consequences, and move on, our future looks a lot brighter.

I agree Irn-Bru, except the trading down is OK with me if we don't have the guys we want available at #13. But trading up and it making sense is hard to imagine unless someone just gives us a pick for below value and you sure can't count on that. But you never know, teams to things like the year we traded #5 to the Aints for all their picks so they could draft a pot head.

Ahh, I miss Casserly

Well, on that trade all he had to do was answer the phone. The one I would love to have is JKC who knew how to run successful organizations a whole heck of a lot better then Danny does. Then again, he didn't have a cap and he was willing to spend beyond anyone else, so even there apples to apples comparison is tough to make.

Scottskins wrote:What a day. I will not be surprised by anything that happens today. Jc could be gone, Boldin could end up here, Quinn could end up here, Sanchez could be our next new shiny franchise QB, or we could be dealing with Ocho Cinco!

What I really want to happen is for Andre Smith to fall to us. But realistically, I expect us to get Michael Oher. And I'd be quite happy with that! We could use him at RT for 2-3 years while Samuels finishes out his Pro bowl years and then move him into his natural LT spot, where he dominates for years to come....

Possible yes, my prediction is we'll stay in our spot and not make any splashes. I would NOT bet my mortgage on that when Danny's involved.

True Countertrey, but I think our personnel was a lot better with Casserly at the helm. After Cass left, our drafts divebombed as we started trading away draft picks for old used up vets who sucked our cap space up as well. I think we can all agree, more picks are better. At least the cowboys suck at talent evaluation. With as many extra 1st round picks as they've had over the last ten years, you'd think they'd have 4 more superbowls. God I hope Snyder means it when he says he's not trading our 2010 1st rounder...

Anyone remember the Champ draft. I remember Cass traded out of our spot and still got Champ at #7, but who was the other guy we got from that trade?

And also, remind me how we got Arrington AND Samuels...

Scottskins wrote:Anyone remember the Champ draft. I remember Cass traded out of our spot and still got Champ at #7, but who was the other guy we got from that trade?

And also, remind me how we got Arrington AND Samuels...

Same draft we're discussing at the top of the page.

Scottskins wrote:True Countertrey, but I think our personnel was a lot better with Casserly at the helm. After Cass left, our drafts divebombed as we started trading away draft picks for old used up vets who sucked our cap space up as well. I think we can all agree, more picks are better. At least the cowboys suck at talent evaluation. With as many extra 1st round picks as they've had over the last ten years, you'd think they'd have 4 more superbowls. God I hope Snyder means it when he says he's not trading our 2010 1st rounder...

I call BS. Charley Casserly was GM from 1989 to 1999 (granted he was executive of the year in 1999 but whatever.) Look at his drafts:

http://www.the-hogs.net/History/draftHistory.php

He drafted Desmond Howard, Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, and Andre Johnson. Casserly did draft some stars later on, but just looking at his drafts the first couple rounds are spotty and there's not many starters from the later rounds. After the 3rd round he's got Brian Mitchell, Keenan McCardell, Gus Frerotte, Jamie Asher, and Albert Connell... I mean 5 guys in ten years who were decent players? There's more to being a GM then just the draft, but still. His drafting was nothing special.

Skinsfan55 wrote:

Scottskins wrote:True Countertrey, but I think our personnel was a lot better with Casserly at the helm. After Cass left, our drafts divebombed as we started trading away draft picks for old used up vets who sucked our cap space up as well. I think we can all agree, more picks are better. At least the cowboys suck at talent evaluation. With as many extra 1st round picks as they've had over the last ten years, you'd think they'd have 4 more superbowls. God I hope Snyder means it when he says he's not trading our 2010 1st rounder...

I call BS. Charley Casserly was GM from 1989 to 1999 (granted he was executive of the year in 1999 but whatever.) Look at his drafts:

http://www.the-hogs.net/History/draftHistory.php

He drafted Desmond Howard, Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, and Andre Johnson. Casserly did draft some stars later on, but just looking at his drafts the first couple rounds are spotty and there's not many starters from the later rounds. After the 3rd round he's got Brian Mitchell, Keenan McCardell, Gus Frerotte, Jamie Asher, and Albert Connell... I mean 5 guys in ten years who were decent players? There's more to being a GM then just the draft, but still. His drafting was nothing special.

Your right he wasn't special but he did say that he got people that his coaches wanted.(excuse) I still think that Beathard was the man in Redskin history as far as I remember it. I wish we had him out of the two but his first round picks weren't special either. I do remember #28 though. That was sweet.

I guess he was a little more hit and miss than I thought, although he did also pick Stephen Davis and Frank Wycheck. According to Wiki he also "discovered" Joe Jacoby and Jeff Bostic as a scout. He also assembled the stike players that went 3-0 in 87. I suppose I'm just longing for a GM....

We have a GM who's been on the job for one year. Let's see how he does.