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funbuncher wrote:Colt actually has more votes than Sanchez at this point. Come on guys!

That's the clueless vote, there's a large base of that in any survey.

Scottskins wrote:Brennan would make a a nice story, but everything I've ever read about him is that he has a weak arm. It is my opinion that you can't even be an average QB in the NFL with a weak arm. Defensive players are too fast in the modern NFL.

Here are excerpts from the full article link below:

One of the most prolific passers in NCAA History after only his junior season. Colt Brennan has become a legitimate NFL Draft Prospect. Brennan, now a graduated senior, still hasn't proven to all the doubting NFL Scouts that he is more than just a product of June Jones' pass happy system. NFL Draft Scout Mel Kiper, for example, thinks he is nothing more than a system quarterback. Walt over at Walters Football doesn't think he has a strong enough arm.

NFL Draft Dog, however, thinks he is much more than that. I have scouted him extensively and have seen him make all the throws, his arm strength is fine and I love his Tony Romo-ish quick release. There is plenty of zip on his balls. Yes he will probably slip a little in the draft, but if the team that drafts him is patient, down the road he might be considered one of the steals of the 2008 NFL Draft.

He stands tall in the pocket and has a quick, accurate delivery.

In 2006 though, Brennan took the step to elite status, the pre-season WAC offensive player of the year threw for an amazing 53 touchdowns, which was one shy of the NCAA record of 54. He ended up leading the nation in scoring and passing efficiency with a 182.8 rating, and completing 72% of his passes.

This season he has a nice 71.40 completion percentage and has thrown for 4,174 yards and 38 touchdowns with 14 interceptions. Brennan has that gunslinger mentality, similar to Tony Romo, he has a super quick release and good pocket presence, very accurate and very competitive mentally.

If he stays out of trouble and if his NFL team is very patient with him, he could develop into a Pro Bowl NFL quarterback.

Colt Brennan was drafted by the Washington Redskins in the 6th round (186th over all). He will start out as the 3rd string quarterback behind starter Jason Campbell and back-up Todd Collins. It will be an excellent environment for him to sit back and learn under new first year head coach Jim Zorn.



I'd love to seem him start. Even if the coaching staff does like him it can be tough to pull the trigger and give him the keys.

DarthMonk


http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2008_nfl_dra ... rennan.htm

I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

That's good to hear. Since none of the coaches are saying publicly he's ready for prime time, the number of fans calling for him now is perplexing to say the least. But it's good if he's progressing.

I hope Colt turns into a great QB, but I just can't help seeing him as a post arm strength loss Brunell. But of course, what it all really comes down to is hitting WRs in stride like Kurt Warner(warner has a strong arm too though). A great QB could theoretically overcome a weak arm if he had fast receivers, which we do with Moss and El. The thing with Colt is that it really takes 3-4 years to figure out if a guy has it or not, and I'd rather use that time on a QB who has all the physical attributes that make a franchise QB and possibly the intangeables as well. Much like Campbell. It looks like Campbell isn't our guy, so it's time to start looking for the next guy. Anything we do between now and then(probably next years crop) is just biding our time....

I do believe we can win the Superbowl with an average QB. Pittsburgh is proof. Defense wins championships. It's as true as the first day it was uttered. But while we are trying to win with a great defense and an average QB, we have to start looking for the next guy.

I think I'm actually talking myself into taking Sanchez if he falls to us and none of the top four OL are available. Guess we'll find out shortly!!!!

Campbell is a good NFL QB. Not an all-star, but pretty good. Played behind a shaky OL last year, and has never had more than one receiver: Moss.

Brennan looked good in a couple of pre-season games last August. Not enough evidence to judge.

Sanchez is a big-name college QB. So was Steve Spurrier, and so was Ryan Leaf. So was Heath Shuler and so was Gary Beban. There is no way to predict whether he will be a good NFL QB.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

That's good to hear. Since none of the coaches are saying publicly he's ready for prime time, the number of fans calling for him now is perplexing to say the least. But it's good if he's progressing.

JZ recently said that we would see a lot of CB in the pre-season and that we would be impressed. He said that Colt had really improved AND then followed that up by saying something like "He hasn't improved enough to challenge Jason for the starting job, but he has improved an awful lot"

So that say to me the thought of CB starting over JC HAS crossed JZ's mind. Why mention that he hasn't quite done enough to over take JC, if the thought hadn't crossed your mind.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

That's good to hear. Since none of the coaches are saying publicly he's ready for prime time, the number of fans calling for him now is perplexing to say the least. But it's good if he's progressing.

JZ recently said that we would see a lot of CB in the pre-season and that we would be impressed. He said that Colt had really improved AND then followed that up by saying something like "He hasn't improved enough to challenge Jason for the starting job, but he has improved an awful lot"

So that say to me the thought of CB starting over JC HAS crossed JZ's mind. Why mention that he hasn't quite done enough to over take JC, if the thought hadn't crossed your mind.

Some people want anyone other than JC. So he has to say that. This year I expect JC to do much better. If he doesn't then you will see Collins. If the season isn't going well for Collins then you might see Colt. AT this point though your season is already lost. All you are doing is testing Colt.

Kilmer72 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

That's good to hear. Since none of the coaches are saying publicly he's ready for prime time, the number of fans calling for him now is perplexing to say the least. But it's good if he's progressing.

JZ recently said that we would see a lot of CB in the pre-season and that we would be impressed. He said that Colt had really improved AND then followed that up by saying something like "He hasn't improved enough to challenge Jason for the starting job, but he has improved an awful lot"

So that say to me the thought of CB starting over JC HAS crossed JZ's mind. Why mention that he hasn't quite done enough to over take JC, if the thought hadn't crossed your mind.

Some people want anyone other than JC. So he has to say that.

Waht are you talking about? That is a perfect reason not to say that. Why would a head coach even remotely insinuate that the 3rd QB has a chance of starting. Expecially if there is a ground swell of a fan base that would like to see him given a chance.

Makes no sense.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

That's good to hear. Since none of the coaches are saying publicly he's ready for prime time, the number of fans calling for him now is perplexing to say the least. But it's good if he's progressing.

JZ recently said that we would see a lot of CB in the pre-season and that we would be impressed. He said that Colt had really improved AND then followed that up by saying something like "He hasn't improved enough to challenge Jason for the starting job, but he has improved an awful lot"

So that say to me the thought of CB starting over JC HAS crossed JZ's mind. Why mention that he hasn't quite done enough to over take JC, if the thought hadn't crossed your mind.

Some people want anyone other than JC. So he has to say that.

Waht are you talking about? That is a perfect reason not to say that. Why would a head coach even remotely insinuate that the 3rd QB has a chance of starting. Expecially if there is a ground swell of a fan base that would like to see him given a chance.

Makes no sense.

What I should have said was because some people would love to have anyone other than JC, Zone said he (CB) was not ready.

Kilmer72 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

That's good to hear. Since none of the coaches are saying publicly he's ready for prime time, the number of fans calling for him now is perplexing to say the least. But it's good if he's progressing.

JZ recently said that we would see a lot of CB in the pre-season and that we would be impressed. He said that Colt had really improved AND then followed that up by saying something like "He hasn't improved enough to challenge Jason for the starting job, but he has improved an awful lot"

So that say to me the thought of CB starting over JC HAS crossed JZ's mind. Why mention that he hasn't quite done enough to over take JC, if the thought hadn't crossed your mind.

Some people want anyone other than JC. So he has to say that.

Waht are you talking about? That is a perfect reason not to say that. Why would a head coach even remotely insinuate that the 3rd QB has a chance of starting. Expecially if there is a ground swell of a fan base that would like to see him given a chance.

Makes no sense.

What I should have said was because some people would love to have anyone other than JC, Zone said he (CB) was not ready.

You didn't get what I said in my orriginal post. CB must have impressed Zorn enough to even have to stop and think if he had progressed enough to unseat JC. If he wasn't close, Zorn doesn't even bring it up and shouldn't have. A smart coach would never have said anything that could be misconstrued that CB was anywhere close to JC.

But it was clear by Zorn's tone of zoice he had thought about weather CB was better than JC and had come to the conclusion that he wasn't ready to unseat JC yet. WHY SAY THAT!

Maybe I didn't get it. I understood something else. I think JC could or maybe could get it done. I do think in my gut though that CB has more potential. Plus CB is Zorns hand picked QB. What I liked about CB was he had a sense of urgency in preseason that JC seems to lack in a lot of games. At the same time I can see Zorn appeasing the fans with the words I quoted you by. Thats what I was thinking at the time any way. So, if he impressed enough to make him think about it and that is what I should have gotten from what you said then ok. I agree.

Campbell is a cool headed guy out there if I were wrong I know alot of people would say it right away.
He had some timing issues coupled with some dropped balls,
The QB was learning a system, an offense that quit frankly looked off the entire second half of the season and came out of it with good numbers and you gotta love the INTS or lack of Ints.
I defend Jason Campbell 100%. I agree he should start and is playing behind a good oline, an oline that has upgraded at gaurd.... Dockary and the guy from the Panthers, Bridges could also play tackel, with those two the entire group tightens up and gives the qb more space and time to operate the offense. Not to mention if the HANDS show up then we have some to keep drives alive it takes 11 people out there and the offense is well on track Campbell is fine

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Re ... _34985.jsp
I do not mean to throw in a link that will kill a thread or anything but the depth at o-line and some solid starters with some experiance can be a QBs best friend.
As far as Colts chances apparently he is developing into a good QB.... again was "hand picked" by Zorn and is watching and learning a young offensive system, Jason is a Gibbs guy right, so lets not under estimate the experience he has Coming from the Gibbs camp only helped his knowledge of the game and improved his coachability think about it the Gibbs staff had like 200+ years of coaching experience in the NFL.
We should pray Campbells release is faster, he is working it out.

Demeanor, pois, and Maturity wise for the team he is tops.
As long as he is hear Campbell, I belief will be ok on or off of the field.
As long as he puts up pro bowl numbers and gets the skins the playoffs they may even re-sign him at the end of the year.
It will be nice to see Colt have a good pre-season though, it is always nice to have a good Backup at the QB position.
Hail to the redskins

welch wrote:Campbell is a good NFL QB. Not an all-star, but pretty good. Played behind a shaky OL last year, and has never had more than one receiver: Moss.

Brennan looked good in a couple of pre-season games last August. Not enough evidence to judge.

Sanchez is a big-name college QB. So was Steve Spurrier, and so was Ryan Leaf. So was Heath Shuler and so was Gary Beban. There is no way to predict whether he will be a good NFL QB.

Shuler talk is not necassary

Your right Colt is in there to play a pre-season and to back up the starter.
Zorn needs to win 10 or more games as the coach, Campbell gives the team the best chance to win and Colt is a good student of the game.
Colt is in a good place to be a success in the future as long as Zorns around.
Over 16 games and a ton of looks from 16 or even 20 different defenses; unless Campbells physically incapable of making quality throw due to slowness of release time on his throws.... then Campbell is the man.
My thoughts on Sanchez, I am Glad he is not a Redskin.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:I'm not favoring Colt at this point, but in Doc Walker's radio interview, Zorn said Colt's arm has gotten a lot stronger since last year.

That's good to hear. Since none of the coaches are saying publicly he's ready for prime time, the number of fans calling for him now is perplexing to say the least. But it's good if he's progressing.

JZ recently said that we would see a lot of CB in the pre-season and that we would be impressed. He said that Colt had really improved AND then followed that up by saying something like "He hasn't improved enough to challenge Jason for the starting job, but he has improved an awful lot"

So that say to me the thought of CB starting over JC HAS crossed JZ's mind. Why mention that he hasn't quite done enough to over take JC, if the thought hadn't crossed your mind.

Some people want anyone other than JC. So he has to say that.

Waht are you talking about? That is a perfect reason not to say that. Why would a head coach even remotely insinuate that the 3rd QB has a chance of starting. Expecially if there is a ground swell of a fan base that would like to see him given a chance.

Makes no sense.

What I should have said was because some people would love to have anyone other than JC, Zone said he (CB) was not ready.

You didn't get what I said in my orriginal post. CB must have impressed Zorn enough to even have to stop and think if he had progressed enough to unseat JC. If he wasn't close, Zorn doesn't even bring it up and shouldn't have. A smart coach would never have said anything that could be misconstrued that CB was anywhere close to JC.

But it was clear by Zorn's tone of zoice he had thought about weather CB was better than JC and had come to the conclusion that he wasn't ready to unseat JC yet. WHY SAY THAT!

I think he said that because he wants to give props to Brennan for improving, but doesn't want the Colt Brennan chants out at FedEx. If he just says he's improved, then this board would light up with the bench Campbell start Brennan talk even moreso than normal.

C. Brennen has never played in a reguler season game...
only preseason???
If he goes in off the bench then I would imagine Campbells having a real bad day.
Zorns call, If Campbell does not make improvments from last year then they will bench him.

skinsfan#33 wrote:JZ recently said that we would see a lot of CB in the pre-season and that we would be impressed. He said that Colt had really improved AND then followed that up by saying something like "He hasn't improved enough to challenge Jason for the starting job, but he has improved an awful lot"

So that say to me the thought of CB starting over JC HAS crossed JZ's mind. Why mention that he hasn't quite done enough to over take JC, if the thought hadn't crossed your mind.

Maybe he's saying Colt isn't ready to start in the pre-season.

Here's what he had to say after this weeks OTAs about Colt

"It's an interesting thing, cause Colt is progressing. And one of the things that's happening with Colt is that he's hearing some of the things talked about, and then he's thinking about those things. I walked up when he was on the line of scrimmage, and I said, 'Listen, we're talking about all this technique and all the mechanics of this stuff, but eventually you've just gotta play. You've just gotta drop back and play.' We're not trying to create 'I look down on my first step. I rocker back on this or that.' It's all about knowing those things and him just doing them naturally, and that's what we're trying to get to. So he's got a ways to go, but he's progressing very fine and this is a step up for him, because he didn't even get to practice last year at this time."

And this about Campbell

"Well, I really like the position that Jason's getting himself in. He's making much better decisions, because he knows the offense, he's not just learning the offense. And then we're putting him through the paces of working on his release, getting those releases efficient. As quick as we can get that ball out, he's getting it out. And he was very accurate this week. Pretty impressive, some of the things that he did. But ball speed and accuracy, you can't put a premium on that, and, whoof, he was good."

What does that sat to you

campbell
no question

Don't like sanchez