Kiper Mock Draft: Skins pick Sanchez

[Chris Luva Luva]

Colt is not the answer at qb.

Ok, then... Neither is Jason. So what do we do now?

[VetSkinsFan]

Hate to burst the bubble.

But, I said this when Colt was drafted. Many doubted it. But, he will eventually be our starter.

Zorn handpicked Colt. Colt is his guy. Campbell is Gibbs guy. Zorn is just giving Campbell a fair shot. I would not be surprised if Colt gets thrown in mid season.

Just think about it. If you were a head coach? Who would you pick of two unproven Qbs? A guy another coach drafted? Or choose a Qb you seem fit? Of course you are going to trust your own instincts.

Zorn is just doing the Politically correct move for now. Being that he is a rookie and trying not to make any controversial moves. A mistake on his part I think. I would rather he just trade Campbell away and start the process already.

A total contradiction of what I said about Josh Mcdaniels. The difference is Cutler was a bonified franchise QB. Who had shown improvement every year. Campbell is taking too long for me. Hurry up already. If your going to be great then we would have seen it by now. So far I have seen nothing.

Bring on Colt. Pass on Sanchez.

Colt is not the answer at qb.

Bottom line is this:

Colt has had no chance to prove he's a steal or a bust. There is no way at this point in Colt's short career that you can say he's not the answer without him having a chance. Well, I guess you can say anything you want, but there's no proof that the statement has a shred of truth...

Jason, on the other hand, has had a chance as an NFL startign QB and mediocrity is the best he's put out thus far.

[CanesSkins26]

Hate to burst the bubble.

But, I said this when Colt was drafted. Many doubted it. But, he will eventually be our starter.

Zorn handpicked Colt. Colt is his guy. Campbell is Gibbs guy. Zorn is just giving Campbell a fair shot. I would not be surprised if Colt gets thrown in mid season.

Just think about it. If you were a head coach? Who would you pick of two unproven Qbs? A guy another coach drafted? Or choose a Qb you seem fit? Of course you are going to trust your own instincts.

Zorn is just doing the Politically correct move for now. Being that he is a rookie and trying not to make any controversial moves. A mistake on his part I think. I would rather he just trade Campbell away and start the process already.

A total contradiction of what I said about Josh Mcdaniels. The difference is Cutler was a bonified franchise QB. Who had shown improvement every year. Campbell is taking too long for me. Hurry up already. If your going to be great then we would have seen it by now. So far I have seen nothing.

Bring on Colt. Pass on Sanchez.

Colt is not the answer at qb.

Bottom line is this:

Colt has had no chance to prove he's a steal or a bust. There is no way at this point in Colt's short career that you can say he's not the answer without him having a chance. Well, I guess you can say anything you want, but there's no proof that the statement has a shred of truth...

Jason, on the other hand, has had a chance as an NFL startign QB and mediocrity is the best he's put out thus far.

Imo they both stink. That's why if I'm the Skins I consider taking Sanchez if he is there at 13. I agree that JC is a mediocre qb, but I don't think that a 6th rounder with a questionable arm and poor mechanics, that played in a run-and-shoot system and hardly ever took snaps from under center, is the answer to our qb problems either.

[ChocolateMilk]

Hate to burst the bubble.

But, I said this when Colt was drafted. Many doubted it. But, he will eventually be our starter.

Zorn handpicked Colt. Colt is his guy. Campbell is Gibbs guy. Zorn is just giving Campbell a fair shot. I would not be surprised if Colt gets thrown in mid season.

Just think about it. If you were a head coach? Who would you pick of two unproven Qbs? A guy another coach drafted? Or choose a Qb you seem fit? Of course you are going to trust your own instincts.

Zorn is just doing the Politically correct move for now. Being that he is a rookie and trying not to make any controversial moves. A mistake on his part I think. I would rather he just trade Campbell away and start the process already.

A total contradiction of what I said about Josh Mcdaniels. The difference is Cutler was a bonified franchise QB. Who had shown improvement every year. Campbell is taking too long for me. Hurry up already. If your going to be great then we would have seen it by now. So far I have seen nothing.

Bring on Colt. Pass on Sanchez.

Colt is not the answer at qb.

Bottom line is this:

Colt has had no chance to prove he's a steal or a bust. There is no way at this point in Colt's short career that you can say he's not the answer without him having a chance. Well, I guess you can say anything you want, but there's no proof that the statement has a shred of truth...

Jason, on the other hand, has had a chance as an NFL startign QB and mediocrity is the best he's put out thus far.

Imo they both stink. That's why if I'm the Skins I consider taking Sanchez if he is there at 13. I agree that JC is a mediocre qb, but I don't think that a 6th rounder with a questionable arm and poor mechanics, that played in a run-and-shoot system and hardly ever took snaps from under center, is the answer to our qb problems either.

eh you never know man, i mean look at Matt Cassel. He was a back up ever since his freshman year in college.

[CanesSkins26]

Hate to burst the bubble.

But, I said this when Colt was drafted. Many doubted it. But, he will eventually be our starter.

Zorn handpicked Colt. Colt is his guy. Campbell is Gibbs guy. Zorn is just giving Campbell a fair shot. I would not be surprised if Colt gets thrown in mid season.

Just think about it. If you were a head coach? Who would you pick of two unproven Qbs? A guy another coach drafted? Or choose a Qb you seem fit? Of course you are going to trust your own instincts.

Zorn is just doing the Politically correct move for now. Being that he is a rookie and trying not to make any controversial moves. A mistake on his part I think. I would rather he just trade Campbell away and start the process already.

A total contradiction of what I said about Josh Mcdaniels. The difference is Cutler was a bonified franchise QB. Who had shown improvement every year. Campbell is taking too long for me. Hurry up already. If your going to be great then we would have seen it by now. So far I have seen nothing.

Bring on Colt. Pass on Sanchez.

Colt is not the answer at qb.

Bottom line is this:

Colt has had no chance to prove he's a steal or a bust. There is no way at this point in Colt's short career that you can say he's not the answer without him having a chance. Well, I guess you can say anything you want, but there's no proof that the statement has a shred of truth...

Jason, on the other hand, has had a chance as an NFL startign QB and mediocrity is the best he's put out thus far.

Imo they both stink. That's why if I'm the Skins I consider taking Sanchez if he is there at 13. I agree that JC is a mediocre qb, but I don't think that a 6th rounder with a questionable arm and poor mechanics, that played in a run-and-shoot system and hardly ever took snaps from under center, is the answer to our qb problems either.

eh you never know man, i mean look at Matt Cassel. He was a back up ever since his freshman year in college.

True. But how often does that happen? Castle was also developed by the Patriots. He also played in a pro style offense in college and had 3 years to sit on the bench and learn from Brady. Interestingly, when the Pats drafted Cassel in the 7th round they took him ahead of Timmy Chang, who was the qb at Hawaii before Brennan.

[Manchester_Redskin]

Latest mock I've seen has stafford at 1 and sanchez at 4. So that means that both QB's have been listed as #1 picks and #10 or later. That suggests that neither of them are 'franchise' material.

[HEROHAMO]

Hate to burst the bubble.

But, I said this when Colt was drafted. Many doubted it. But, he will eventually be our starter.

Zorn handpicked Colt. Colt is his guy. Campbell is Gibbs guy. Zorn is just giving Campbell a fair shot. I would not be surprised if Colt gets thrown in mid season.

Just think about it. If you were a head coach? Who would you pick of two unproven Qbs? A guy another coach drafted? Or choose a Qb you seem fit? Of course you are going to trust your own instincts.

Zorn is just doing the Politically correct move for now. Being that he is a rookie and trying not to make any controversial moves. A mistake on his part I think. I would rather he just trade Campbell away and start the process already.

A total contradiction of what I said about Josh Mcdaniels. The difference is Cutler was a bonified franchise QB. Who had shown improvement every year. Campbell is taking too long for me. Hurry up already. If your going to be great then we would have seen it by now. So far I have seen nothing.

Bring on Colt. Pass on Sanchez.

Colt is not the answer at qb.

Bottom line is this:

Colt has had no chance to prove he's a steal or a bust. There is no way at this point in Colt's short career that you can say he's not the answer without him having a chance. Well, I guess you can say anything you want, but there's no proof that the statement has a shred of truth...

Jason, on the other hand, has had a chance as an NFL startign QB and mediocrity is the best he's put out thus far.

Imo they both stink. That's why if I'm the Skins I consider taking Sanchez if he is there at 13. I agree that JC is a mediocre qb, but I don't think that a 6th rounder with a questionable arm and poor mechanics, that played in a run-and-shoot system and hardly ever took snaps from under center, is the answer to our qb problems either.

Now I am not knocking Sanchez at all. Sanchez has all the physical tools a QB needs. Only knock I have on him is his experience. Which of course can be gained.

Put it this way. I rather we go OL or Defense with our pick. But, if we draft Sanchez It wont be the end of the world. Especially if Sanchez turns out to be a great player.

I know Colt will get his fair shot. He was very successful in College. Usually more times then not it translates to the NFL. The kid was a Heisman candidate. Has a killer instinct. What can I say I like the way he plays.

Zorn is a coach coming from the Bill Walsh coaching family tree.
Qbs like Montana and Young have thrived in the west coast offense. They both had mediocre arms. Very accurate. They both won SuperBowls.
What set them apart was there character. The ability to thrive under pressure. I am hoping Colt can be the next in the great west coast offense Qbs.

[SkinsFreak]

but I don't think that a 6th rounder with a questionable arm and poor mechanics, that played in a run-and-shoot system and hardly ever took snaps from under center, is the answer to our qb problems either.

Dude... I mean... really... don't you think Zorn knew those things before he drafted Colt? I don't, for a minute, believe that Zorn, an ex-NFL QB and a highly touted QB coach, would draft the kid if he didn't think the he could coach him up to have a chance. They spent hours and hours studying film of Colt before the draft, so I'm quite sure Zorn was completely familiar with Colt's tendencies and abilities.

And since they did draft him, that tells me that Zorn, at the very least, thinks he can coach Colt into a solid back-up, which was the intention when they drafted him. Both Zorn and Cerrato said prior to the draft last year that they were going to target a QB to groom as Campbell's back-up. If Colt makes an impression and eventually gets the nod, that's a bonus and a credit to Zorn.

Colt is not the answer at qb.

<long sigh> And how could you possibly know that? Based on your years and years of extensive experience as a player and QB evaluator for the NFL? Colt played pretty darn well for a rookie in preseason last year, after only four weeks of camp and NFL experience. Have you seen him play since? No, nobody has. But now he's got a full year of learning the system, learning the game at the NFL level and a full year learning the desired mechanics from Zorn under his belt. To emphatically assert that Colt is not, or will never be, an "answer at QB", is so completely short-sighted. He may... he may not, but you have no clue at this point.

[Chris Luva Luva]

We don't know how bad or good Colt is. Why not find out? I'm not saying make him a starter but give him some reps and run him in the preseason.

[PulpExposure]

We don't know how bad or good Colt is. Why not find out? I'm not saying make him a starter but give him some reps and run him in the preseason.

I agree, but you know that won't happen. I mean they're worried about damaging Jason's confidence.

Because almost trading for Cutler wouldn't have done that already...

[langleyparkjoe]

We don't know how bad or good Colt is. Why not find out? I'm not saying make him a starter but give him some reps and run him in the preseason.

I agree, but you know that won't happen. I mean they're worried about damaging Jason's confidence.

Because almost trading for Cutler wouldn't have done that already...

That's funny Pulp!

Well, since we're speculating about Colt.. I'm gonna speculate about Sanchez.. He may just make it to the NFL and be a major bust, or he could make it and be like Casell. Soooooooo.. ... ummm, I mean, why not lets just stop the nonsense and move on?? We have other draft needs, QB is not one of them, that's all I'm trying to say.

[CanesSkins26]

Colt played pretty darn well for a rookie in preseason last year, after only four weeks of camp and NFL experience.

Who cares? He played against third string scrubs, most of whom aren't even on NFL rosters. Zorn himself said that if Brennan had played against a first string defense he would have turned the ball over a lot because of the throws that he was making. Just look at the preseason stat leaders at qb, most of those guys are no-names that will never amount to anything in the NFL. The top 5 preseason qb's in terms of yards last year were Quinn Gray, Dan Orlovsky, Brett Ratliff, Kevin Kolb, and Ken Dorsey. When Brennan actually does something that matters, I'll be impressed.

Very few 6th round quarterbacks amount to anything in the NFL so the idea that Brennan is going to be able to start if JC struggles is rather far-fetched, especially considering the type of college system that he came from. Where is Timmy Chang playing these days?

Rolling Eyes Dude... I mean... really... don't you think Zorn knew those things before he drafted Colt? I don't, for a minute, believe that Zorn, an ex-NFL QB and a highly touted QB coach, would draft the kid if he didn't think the he could coach him up to have a chance. They spent hours and hours studying film of Colt before the draft, so I'm quite sure Zorn was completely familiar with Colt's tendencies and abilities.

And since they did draft him, that tells me that Zorn, at the very least, thinks he can coach Colt into a solid back-up, which was the intention when they drafted him. Both Zorn and Cerrato said prior to the draft last year that they were going to target a QB to groom as Campbell's back-up. If Colt makes an impression and eventually gets the nod, that's a bonus and a credit to Zorn.

I'm sure he thinks that he can coach him up to have a chance. Whether or not he can actually do it is yet to be seen.

Zorn might be an experienced qb coach, but what experience does he have in terms of drafting qb's? When he was the qb coach in Seattle the Seahawks drafted four qb's....Josh Booty, Jeff Kelly, Seneca Wallace, and David Green. Booty, Kelly, and Greene have combined to play in exactly zero NFL games. So just because Zorn is a good qb coach, that doesn't automatically mean that he is going to be successful at drafting qb's.

[VetSkinsFan]

...and that still doesn't unequivocally prove that Brennan won't or can't make it in the NFL. I'm glad you do your research on statistics, but if statistics proved everything without a shadow of a doubt, then what fun would the best damn sport in the world be?

The fact of the matter is that Brennan hasn't failed (yet). Will he? Time will tell, but at this point in time, all time says is wait and see.

[Chris Luva Luva]

...and that still doesn't unequivocally prove that Brennan won't or can't make it in the NFL. I'm glad you do your research on statistics, but if statistics proved everything without a shadow of a doubt, then what fun would the best damn sport in the world be?

The fact of the matter is that Brennan hasn't failed (yet). Will he? Time will tell, but at this point in time, all time says is wait and see.

Exactly, and there's nothing wrong with wanting to see if he's the real deal or not.

[CanesSkins26]

...and that still doesn't unequivocally prove that Brennan won't or can't make it in the NFL. I'm glad you do your research on statistics, but if statistics proved everything without a shadow of a doubt, then what fun would the best damn sport in the world be?

The fact of the matter is that Brennan hasn't failed (yet). Will he? Time will tell, but at this point in time, all time says is wait and see.

I agree. But to not draft a qb because we have Brennan is stupid. If he amounts to something, great, but we can't rely on the possibility of a 6th rounder turning into a starting qb.

If JC doesn't get the job done this season we are in a world of trouble in 2010 at the qb spot so imo it would be a good idea to start planning now.

[SkinsFreak]

Whether or not he can actually do it is yet to be seen.

Thank you for proving my point. You initially said Colt is not the answer at QB, then followed that statement up with "whether or not he can actually do it is yet to be seen." Exactly my point, as well as others here, and is why your assertion that Colt can't or won't is based on nothing more than pure conjecture on your part. And since every little thing has to be spelled out for you, my comment about Colt playing fairly well in preseason had nothing to do with the level of the opponents. It was said in regards to his abilities to call plays and execute the offense with only four weeks of camp or real NFL experience.

Colt even took snaps from under center, imagine that....

[VetSkinsFan]

...and that still doesn't unequivocally prove that Brennan won't or can't make it in the NFL. I'm glad you do your research on statistics, but if statistics proved everything without a shadow of a doubt, then what fun would the best damn sport in the world be?

The fact of the matter is that Brennan hasn't failed (yet). Will he? Time will tell, but at this point in time, all time says is wait and see.

I agree. But to not draft a qb because we have Brennan is stupid. If he amounts to something, great, but we can't rely on the possibility of a 6th rounder turning into a starting qb.

If JC doesn't get the job done this season we are in a world of trouble in 2010 at the qb spot so imo it would be a good idea to start planning now.

Yopu speak as if it's all JC's fault. I've fallen off hte JC wagon in the past year, but even as stubborn as I am, I can see that JC could still get it done with all the right tools present. As the dead horse can tell us, there's nothing but speculation and unfounded opinions that Brennan definitely can't get it done.

[Countertrey]

I've been watching that dead horse for several days now, VSF... he ain't talking.

Stupid horse.

[SkinsFreak]

Very few 6th round quarterbacks amount to anything in the NFL so the idea that Brennan is going to be able to start if JC struggles is rather far-fetched

Far fetched? Very few? Hmm... for someone in love with stats and name dropping, I'll throw a few back at you. Recent history does show precedent that with good coaching, late round QB's can have success at the pro level.

Just to name a few... Kurt Warner, Tony Romo and Jake Delhomme were undrafted free agents. Matt Cassel was a 7th rounder. Tom Brady, Marc Bulger and Matt Hasselbeck were 6th round draft picks. ALL... are former Pro Bowlers. Imagine that.

And my history is a little fuzzy, but I seem to remember something about that Matt Hasselbeck kid... something about how a certain QB coach (and for the life of me, I can't remember who) but some QB coach took this former 6th rounder and turned him into a 3-time Pro Bowler. Hmm... it'll come to me sooner or later...

So once again, contrary to your assertions, there is, in fact, a precedent that late round or undrafted QB's can have success in the NFL.

[VetSkinsFan]

Latests NFL.com has Sanchez going in the top 5-10 dependind on who yammering on.

[yupchagee]

...and that still doesn't unequivocally prove that Brennan won't or can't make it in the NFL. I'm glad you do your research on statistics, but if statistics proved everything without a shadow of a doubt, then what fun would the best damn sport in the world be?

The fact of the matter is that Brennan hasn't failed (yet). Will he? Time will tell, but at this point in time, all time says is wait and see.

I agree. But to not draft a qb because we have Brennan is stupid. If he amounts to something, great, but we can't rely on the possibility of a 6th rounder turning into a starting qb.

If JC doesn't get the job done this season we are in a world of trouble in 2010 at the qb spot so imo it would be a good idea to start planning now.

Except that we have more immediate needs right now, loke OLB, DE & RT.

[Skinsfan55]

Sources say that the Redskins are enamored with Mark Sanchez, and if they really want him, they'll find a way to get him. If the stories are true we will get Mark Sanchez.

[TincoSkin]

this makes me crazy

Sour

ces say that the Redskins are enamored with Mark Sanchez, and if they really want him, they'll find a way to get him. If the stories are true we will get Mark Sanchez.

we better not.

[CanesSkins26]

Originally Published: April 14, 2009
Tuesday with Mel Kiper Jr.
Mel works overtime to bring you the latest news from the NFL draft

It's quarterbacks all around this week for NFL draft guru Mel Kiper. But in a change of pace, he was asked about quarterbacks not named Matthew Stafford or Jay Cutler -- USC's Mark Sanchez, Kansas State's Josh Freeman and Ball State's Nate Davis.

WHERE IN THE WORLD WILL SANCHEZ GO?

Sanchez might be taken as high as No. 2 or as low as No. 13, with up to eight teams interested in this underclassman. But whoever gets him -- the Redskins, Jets and Buccaneers are front-runners, Kiper said -- most likely will have to trade up and deal with Jacksonville at No. 8 or San Francisco at No. 10.

Washington (No. 13): Right now, Kiper's mock draft has Sanchez going to the Redskins at No. 13, and recent reports say the Redskins love Sanchez. So it makes sense. But the thing is, Kiper doesn't think Sanchez actually will drop to No. 13. He just thinks Washington will end up with him. So look for a trade that allows the Redskins to move into the top 10 to take Sanchez. But what about Jason Campbell? Redskins owner Daniel Snyder apparently wants anyone but Campbell at quarterback.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/news/story?id=4056535

[Fios]

I hope -- I really, really hope -- he's picked well before the Redskins can get him.