Skins face dilemma at 13th pick

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Who would you draft at #13?

Brian Cushing
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27%
Clay Matthews
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3%
Andre Smith
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27%
Tyson Jackson
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7%
Michael Oher
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37%
Everette Brown
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Michael Johnson
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Eben Britton
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Total votes: 30

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SkinsFreak wrote:Okay, I'll put it another way. If the top three OT's are gone, who then would be the best player available that the Skins should take at #13?


It would be between Tyson Jackson, Oher, Cushing, Maualuga, Robert Ayers, assuming Orakpo/Brown/Maybin are gone. Jackson could easily be gone too. Personally, I would take think long and hard about taking Heyward-Bey :twisted:


You think DE is a bigger need right now rather than a LB? Not sure I agree with that, especially since the team just signed Wynn and is going to sign Daniels. Those guys are stop-gaps for a year, but if they planned on drafting another DE, I'm not sure they would've gone for Wynn and Daniels.

So that would negate Jackson and Ayers, Oher is a reach and Cushing is not as good as Maualuga. And if you want to draft a WR, why would you take Heyward-Bey over Percy Harvin?


Because Heyward-Bey has the size and speed to be an elite home run threat in the NFL. Harvin is too short. The gap between Heyward-Bey and Harvin/Maclin is closing quickly. Daniels and Wynn frightens no one. By your reasoning that its ok to take Maualuga even though we have fletcher, there is no reason not to take a DE for next year.
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brad7686 wrote:Because Heyward-Bey has the size and speed to be an elite home run threat in the NFL.


Listen, I'm a Maryland alum, so I'm a big Heyward-Bey fan. There's no doubt he has the size and elite speed to be a home run threat. But there's a reason he's not rated higher as a prospect. Playing in the ACC, Heyward-Bey has never had to face any kind of press man coverage, which he'll face on a regular basis in the NFL. During his evaluation on the NFLN, they've reported that GM's have serious concerns about this. He'll still go in the late first round, but since a WR is not on the Skins' list of immediate needs, I highly... highly doubt they'd pursue a WR with their 1st rounder.

brad7686 wrote:Daniels and Wynn frightens no one. By your reasoning that its ok to take Maualuga even though we have fletcher, there is no reason not to take a DE for next year.


I believe you're missing my point. If they plan to draft a DE, why would they go out and sign two of them right before the draft? When Daniels signs, we'll have SIX (6) DE's on the roster. I also believe you're misunderstanding the intended roles of Wynn and Daniels by the team.

Additionally, when selecting that high in the draft, teams look to get a dominate player that will start immediately. Tyson Jackson and Robert Ayers are nice prospects, but they're not the dominating, intimidating players that can come to the next level and be a force to reckon with as rookies. They'll be good, but teams won't be intimidated by them. You would hope to take that "nasty" player that will bring intimidation to garner respect and attention from opposing teams.

So with regard to the Skins needs and players that would be a dominate force teams would game plan for, I think there is three; Orakpo, Maualuga and Andre Smith. Opposing teams will have to game plan for those guys, or at the very least, pay close attention to them. Those three do bring that dominance and intimidation factor that can be game changers.
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brad7686 wrote:Because Heyward-Bey has the size and speed to be an elite home run threat in the NFL.


Listen, I'm a Maryland alum, so I'm a big Heyward-Bey fan. There's no doubt he has the size and elite speed to be a home run threat. But there's a reason he's not rated higher as a prospect. Playing in the ACC, Heyward-Bey has never had to face any kind of press man coverage, which he'll face on a regular basis in the NFL. During his evaluation on the NFLN, they've reported that GM's have serious concerns about this. He'll still go in the late first round, but since a WR is not on the Skins' list of immediate needs, I highly... highly doubt they'd pursue a WR with their 1st rounder.

brad7686 wrote:Daniels and Wynn frightens no one. By your reasoning that its ok to take Maualuga even though we have fletcher, there is no reason not to take a DE for next year.


I believe you're missing my point. If they plan to draft a DE, why would they go out and sign two of them right before the draft? When Daniels signs, we'll have SIX (6) DE's on the roster. I also believe you're misunderstanding the intended roles of Wynn and Daniels by the team.

Additionally, when selecting that high in the draft, teams look to get a dominate player that will start immediately. Tyson Jackson and Robert Ayers are nice prospects, but they're not the dominating, intimidating players that can come to the next level and be a force to reckon with as rookies. They'll be good, but teams won't be intimidated by them. You would hope to take that "nasty" player that will bring intimidation to garner respect and attention from opposing teams.

So with regard to the Skins needs and players that would be a dominate force teams would game plan for, I think there is three; Orakpo, Maualuga and Andre Smith. Opposing teams will have to game plan for those guys, or at the very least, pay close attention to them. Those three do bring that dominance and intimidation factor that can be game changers.


Heyward-Bey is raw, but he does fit the redskins needs. I'm kind of joking about that anyway, I doubt he goes before pick 18 or so. You say you want someone to come in and dominate immediately, but its unlikely that Maualuga would be dominant at OLB. He would have to wait for Fletcher to leave to be dominant.
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brad7686 wrote:Because Heyward-Bey has the size and speed to be an elite home run threat in the NFL.


Listen, I'm a Maryland alum, so I'm a big Heyward-Bey fan. There's no doubt he has the size and elite speed to be a home run threat. But there's a reason he's not rated higher as a prospect. Playing in the ACC, Heyward-Bey has never had to face any kind of press man coverage, which he'll face on a regular basis in the NFL. During his evaluation on the NFLN, they've reported that GM's have serious concerns about this. He'll still go in the late first round, but since a WR is not on the Skins' list of immediate needs, I highly... highly doubt they'd pursue a WR with their 1st rounder.

brad7686 wrote:Daniels and Wynn frightens no one. By your reasoning that its ok to take Maualuga even though we have fletcher, there is no reason not to take a DE for next year.


I believe you're missing my point. If they plan to draft a DE, why would they go out and sign two of them right before the draft? When Daniels signs, we'll have SIX (6) DE's on the roster. I also believe you're misunderstanding the intended roles of Wynn and Daniels by the team.

Additionally, when selecting that high in the draft, teams look to get a dominate player that will start immediately. Tyson Jackson and Robert Ayers are nice prospects, but they're not the dominating, intimidating players that can come to the next level and be a force to reckon with as rookies. They'll be good, but teams won't be intimidated by them. You would hope to take that "nasty" player that will bring intimidation to garner respect and attention from opposing teams.

So with regard to the Skins needs and players that would be a dominate force teams would game plan for, I think there is three; Orakpo, Maualuga and Andre Smith. Opposing teams will have to game plan for those guys, or at the very least, pay close attention to them. Those three do bring that dominance and intimidation factor that can be game changers.


Heyward-Bey is raw, but he does fit the redskins needs. I'm kind of joking about that anyway, I doubt he goes before pick 18 or so. You say you want someone to come in and dominate immediately, but its unlikely that Maualuga would be dominant at OLB. He would have to wait for Fletcher to leave to be dominant. I agree that Jackson and especially Ayers won't be excellent, in all reality I would look to trade back if i were them unless they really like Oher, or another OT falls for some reason.
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brad7686 wrote: You say you want someone to come in and dominate immediately, but its unlikely that Maualuga would be dominant at OLB. He would have to wait for Fletcher to leave to be dominant.


I think that's where we disagree, and it's okay to disagree. There are always varying opinions, even in draft war rooms. But to be honest, I believe the evaluations, scouting reports and the film itself, lend more credibility to my contention; that Maualuga can and will be a dominate force in the NFL, even at OLB for a year.

Maualuga is a dominating and intimidating player. He's by far, the biggest hitter in this draft. That spawns intimidation. In addition, he's the closest player to being a sure thing, can't miss, type of prospect. That's all been reported my multiple sources.

The only knock against Maualuga is a question regarding average coverage skills. That may be true, but playing ILB, he didn't play a lot in coverage, so there isn't a lot of tape of him in coverage to evaluate... although there is some, and he played pretty well. He has incredible sideline-to-sideline speed, to it's not a stretch to think he could use that speed to be more than adequate in coverage against TE's.

But an OLB does more than just cover TE's in coverage. They are used, especially in Blache's scheme, to disrupt plays in the backfield and at the line of scrimmage. This includes blitzing the QB, covering a RB in the flat and breaking up screens. This is where Maualuga's dominance and intimidation as a big hitter will be beneficial and recognized. Additionally, in Blache's schemes, the OLB's stunt inside quite often.

Once again, Maualuga possesses many skills that make him a dominant force at any LB position...

A more consistent playmaker than Keith Rivers -- selected 10th overall by the Bengals in 2008 -- Maualuga might be the most explosive hitter in the draft. Blessed with a prototypical combination of size and athleticism, Maualuga has the speed to beat the running back wide and the bulk to be a punisher on the inside. Maualuga impressed scouts with his ability to rush the passer during drills at the Senior Bowl and delivered six sacks as a junior (zero as a senior). His penchant for big plays in coverage make him one of the few inside linebackers of this class capable of playing all three downs. A three-time all-conference selection and 2009 All-American, Maualuga is a difference-maker worthy of a top-20 selection in the 2009 draft.


Therefore, I absolutely think Maualuga will be a dominant player at OLB for a year. All while learning the ILB trade from Fletcher and the defensive scheme from Blache, an extremely wise and advantageous course of action for the Skins and beneficial education for Maualuga.
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Maualuga is a fabulous talent. But, I would not take him at no. 13. For a couple of reasons.

1. We have an outstanding middle linebacker in Fletcher.
2. We have a need for a true outside linebacker. We do not know if he will transition to outside linebacker. Why risk that?
3. We have needs at the offensive line as well.
4. There is a strong possibility a high prospect could drop giving us leverage to trade down for the right deal.

Players who I would take but probably wont be available.

Jason Smith , Aaron Curry and Michael Crabtree. Any one of these guys available pull the trigger. Jason Smith and Curry are obvious. Michael Crabtree is just too good to pass up if he drops. Also Orakpo is a mighty great prospect. Some team will likely grab him early though. I hope he falls to no. 13.

Players who might be available who I would take at no. 13.

Michael Oher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjM8bL0X9P4

Despite what some so called experts are saying. Michael Oher had a fabulous season. Lets not forget he played in the best Confrence in the country. The SEC. Helped his team get wins against Florida, Auburn, LSU and Texas Tech in the Bowl game. All the physical tools. Yes needs a little polishing up skill wise.

Everette Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ14HL ... re=related

Think about this. Everette Brown had a slightly better season then Orakpo. Yet he still has room to grow. He has a taller and wider frame. So he can still put some weight on. Is just as quick if not quicker than Orakpo.

Andre Smith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-EZ6TOWyw

I would not kill myself if we drafted him. Lets face it in College he helped lead an Alabama team that was one quarter away from the National Championship. Was the best lineman on one of the best lines in College football. The running game was the bread and butter of the Alabama offense. Andre was the guy leading the charge in the trenches. Yes there are concerns about his conditioning but no denying what he has accomplished thus far. Very impressive.
His stock has dropped big time though. He skipped his combine. He also had a bad pro day. So he may drop to the second round.

Brian Cushing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXJt9hrRbMg

Will start day one. Filling a need at outside linebacker. I could see him being a mistake free player on the Redskins. Solid all the way around. Solid tackler , great pass rusher, strong against the run, good coverage skills. All this equals great propect.


What I am really hoping for is us trading down. Our no. 13 should be worth a low 1st round pick and a second round pick. That is the most realistic. If we can get more then so be it.

So if we get trade down and get a low 1st round pick and a mid second round pick here are my picks. According to what prospects I think will be around in the low 1st round.

Low 1st round pick(hypotheticl)
Andre Smith if he drops this low. Brian Cushing if Andre is gone and if Cushing drops to lower first. Clay Matthews if both Cushing and Andre are gone.

Second Round pick(hypothetical)
Clay Matthews if we picked Andre Smith in the first round and if he drops this low. Clint Sintim OLB Virgina , if we drafted O lineman in first round and Clay Matthews is gone. Trade down my second round pick if Clay, Clint and or no good OL and OLB/DE prospects available.

If trade down is not possible or not in our best interest? I take
Duke Robinson OG. Yes we need a tackle. But, we can take any help we can get at the Offensive line. Also he might be an upgrade to our current Offensive guards.
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HEROHAMO wrote:Andre Smith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-EZ6TOWyw

I would not kill myself if we drafted him. Lets face it in College he helped lead an Alabama team that was one quarter away from the National Championship. Was the best lineman on one of the best lines in College football. The running game was the bread and butter of the Alabama offense. Andre was the guy leading the charge in the trenches. Yes there are concerns about his conditioning but no denying what he has accomplished thus far. Very impressive.
His stock has dropped big time though. He skipped his combine. He also had a bad pro day. So he may drop to the second round.


No way. I'd be shocked if he dropped out of the top 15.

Kiper has him at 14.

Scouts.com also has him ranked 14.

In this mock from last week, Kiper has him going to us at 13, McShay has him going 10 to the Niners.
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The next best OLB is Brian Cushing. Well, Cushing and Matthews played along side of Maualuga at USC last year, and clearly, Maualuga was, by far, the best of the three. Cushing also has a significant injury history to consider. He's a nice prospect and will still go in the 1st round, but why take the inferior linebacker when the superior guy is sitting there for the taking? If you recall, it was Maualuga that won the "defensive player of the year" award, not Cushing.


I'm wondering how exactly you came to the conclusion that Malauaga is better than Cushing and Mathews? Kiper has both Cushing and Mathews rated higher than Malauaga on his Big Board. He has Mathews at 19, Cushing at 21, and Malauaga at 25.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index


Scouts, Inc. also has Mathews and Cushing rated higher than Malauaga. Similarly to Kiper, they have Mathews ranked 18th, Cushing 22nd, and Malauaga 24th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft

Personally I think that Malauaga is a great player, and if we had a need at MLB I would definitely take him. However, Fletcher is still one of the better MLBs around and I think that Blades would do a good job taking over for him. While there is a possibility that Malauaga can play OLB, it's far from a certainty and if he can't make the transition we'd be stuck with having three MLBs on the roster. If we do decide to go with a lb in the first, I would go with Cushing.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:
The next best OLB is Brian Cushing. Well, Cushing and Matthews played along side of Maualuga at USC last year, and clearly, Maualuga was, by far, the best of the three. Cushing also has a significant injury history to consider. He's a nice prospect and will still go in the 1st round, but why take the inferior linebacker when the superior guy is sitting there for the taking? If you recall, it was Maualuga that won the "defensive player of the year" award, not Cushing.


I'm wondering how exactly you came to the conclusion that Malauaga is better than Cushing and Mathews? Kiper has both Cushing and Mathews rated higher than Malauaga on his Big Board. He has Mathews at 19, Cushing at 21, and Malauaga at 25.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index


Scouts, Inc. also has Mathews and Cushing rated higher than Malauaga. Similarly to Kiper, they have Mathews ranked 18th, Cushing 22nd, and Malauaga 24th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft

Personally I think that Malauaga is a great player, and if we had a need at MLB I would definitely take him. However, Fletcher is still one of the better MLBs around and I think that Blades would do a good job taking over for him. While there is a possibility that Malauaga can play OLB, it's far from a certainty and if he can't make the transition we'd be stuck with having three MLBs on the roster. If we do decide to go with a lb in the first, I would go with Cushing.


Well of all the three Maualuga lead the team in tackles. He also did the same in 2007. That says alot when you are one of a bunch of talented defensive players. Taylor Mays is also part of that defensive bunch.

But, I agree that we should pass on him because I do not think we need another MLB. At the same time I wont kick myself if we happen to draft him.
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HEROHAMO wrote:Andre Smith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md-EZ6TOWyw

I would not kill myself if we drafted him. Lets face it in College he helped lead an Alabama team that was one quarter away from the National Championship. Was the best lineman on one of the best lines in College football. The running game was the bread and butter of the Alabama offense. Andre was the guy leading the charge in the trenches. Yes there are concerns about his conditioning but no denying what he has accomplished thus far. Very impressive.
His stock has dropped big time though. He skipped his combine. He also had a bad pro day. So he may drop to the second round.


No way. I'd be shocked if he dropped out of the top 15.

Kiper has him at 14.

Scouts.com also has him ranked 14.

In this mock from last week, Kiper has him going to us at 13, McShay has him going 10 to the Niners.


Yeah your right. But, there is still a possibility he may drop. You have to keep in mind he missed his combine due to weight issues. Scouts that attended his pro day have said he looked sluggish. I know the kid can play. Every single snap he has played he has given his all.

I am just thinking about what these scouts are saying. Perception is everything in the draft. Its crazy that they value a combine more than his fabulous career at Alabama?
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How about this guy? Kirwan from NFL.com seems to think he's the one....

13. Redskins

Tyson Jackson DE LSU

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Washington needs to find a left defensive end opposite Andre Carter. Jackson is a 300-pound guy who is not flashy but is a very solid player.
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HEROHAMO wrote:Well of all the three Maualuga lead the team in tackles. He also did the same in 2007. That says alot when you are one of a bunch of talented defensive players. Taylor Mays is also part of that defensive bunch.


And it was Maualuga that won the Chuck Bednarik Award as the nation's top defensive player, not Cushing or Matthews. But you guys are missing the point. Teams build a draft board, they don't just go into a draft thinking about one player or one position. As I've said multiple times, the reason why you consider Maualuga is in case the top OT's or OLB have already been selected. The top of my board is Orakpo, Andre Smith and Maualuga, in that order.

And HEROMAMO, damn near everyone would like to take Crabtree. But the reason he's not being discussed is because he'll be LONG GONE! :wink:
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The next best OLB is Brian Cushing. Well, Cushing and Matthews played along side of Maualuga at USC last year, and clearly, Maualuga was, by far, the best of the three. Cushing also has a significant injury history to consider. He's a nice prospect and will still go in the 1st round, but why take the inferior linebacker when the superior guy is sitting there for the taking? If you recall, it was Maualuga that won the "defensive player of the year" award, not Cushing.


I'm wondering how exactly you came to the conclusion that Malauaga is better than Cushing and Mathews? Kiper has both Cushing and Mathews rated higher than Malauaga on his Big Board. He has Mathews at 19, Cushing at 21, and Malauaga at 25.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/melkiper/index


Scouts, Inc. also has Mathews and Cushing rated higher than Malauaga. Similarly to Kiper, they have Mathews ranked 18th, Cushing 22nd, and Malauaga 24th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft

Personally I think that Malauaga is a great player, and if we had a need at MLB I would definitely take him. However, Fletcher is still one of the better MLBs around and I think that Blades would do a good job taking over for him. While there is a possibility that Malauaga can play OLB, it's far from a certainty and if he can't make the transition we'd be stuck with having three MLBs on the roster. If we do decide to go with a lb in the first, I would go with Cushing.


Scouts graded both Cushing and Maualuga with a 92, and Matthews at a 93. I'm not sure why Matthews would be rated higher than Cush or Rey. But whatever, the tape speaks for itself. Scout's Inc.'s board is also somewhat confusing. Percy Harvin is also graded with a 92, but he's listed at #16.

Cushing also has a significant injury history to consider, did you look into that Canes? For someone that always spouts off about McIntosh's college injury history, not sure why someone like you would want Cushing. Probably so that when he gets hurt, you'll have something else to whine about. :wink:

I like Cushing too, he's a great talent. I'd just be concerned about his durability...

His injury history is worrisome. He seems like a player who will give a team around 13 games a year. They may be 13 great games, but teams will have to decide if 13 games out of 16 is worth a first round pick. Cushing separated a shoulder in 2005, sprained an ankle in 2007 and has had serious surgeries on his shoulder (2006) and knee (2007) during spring practices. He started all 13 games in 2008.


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SkinsFreak wrote:Cushing also has a significant injury history to consider, did you look into that Canes? For someone that always spouts off about McIntosh's college injury history, not sure why someone like you would want Cushing. Probably so that when he gets hurt, you'll have something else to whine about. :wink:

I like Cushing too, he's a great talent. I'd just be concerned about his durability...

His injury history is worrisome. He seems like a player who will give a team around 13 games a year. They may be 13 great games, but teams will have to decide if 13 games out of 16 is worth a first round pick. Cushing separated a shoulder in 2005, sprained an ankle in 2007 and has had serious surgeries on his shoulder (2006) and knee (2007) during spring practices. He started all 13 games in 2008.


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Cushing also has a significant injury history to consider, did you look into that Canes? For someone that always spouts off about McIntosh's college injury history, not sure why someone like you would want Cushing. Probably so that when he gets hurt, you'll have something else to whine about. Wink


Cushing does have an injury history, namely a separated shoulder and a high ankle sprain. He had shoulder surgery following the 2005 season and I'm not sure about the ankle. A few sites I looked at said he had his ankle scoped and some others said that it was his knee, not his ankle. I think that he also strained a hamstring at some point. It raises a red flag, yes, however, Cushing is a workout warrior and a hard worker so I'm not too concerned about it. None of the injuries have been all that serious either and unlike Rocky he doesn't have a degenerative condition.

With regard to Malauaga, I'm curious as to what you think would happen if he comes in an can't play on the outside. Do the Skins carry three MLBs? What if Fletcher continues to play at a high level in 2009? Do you just automatically hand the starting job to Malauaga in 2010, even if you still have an above average MLB in Fletcher?
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CanesSkins26 wrote:With regard to Malauaga, I'm curious as to what you think would happen if he comes in an can't play on the outside. Do the Skins carry three MLBs? What if Fletcher continues to play at a high level in 2009? Do you just automatically hand the starting job to Malauaga in 2010, even if you still have an above average MLB in Fletcher?


First of all, how do you know that Cushing's prior injuries won't inevitably become degenerative conditions?

As far as Maualuga is concerned, the thought process isn't that difficult, but I'll be happy to break it down for you again. :wink:

Fletcher will be 34 years old at the start of next season. 34 YEAR OLD. I absolutely expect him to have another good year, but at that age, expecting many more years beyond that is just wishful thinking. You, yourself, were bashing Taylor due to his age, also 34. Also, did you look at Fletcher's cap ramifications in 2010? Probably not.

Thinking a MLB can't play OLB is really pretty short-sighted. Due to Marcus Washington's injuries, the Skins have been playing Blades at OLB for several years now. I like Blades a lot, but I just don't see the former 6th rounder as a dominant starter in this league. He's great for depth however.

Also, just take a look at Cushing's bio, he's also played both positions. But since Maualuga has been such a dominant force in the middle, and since he plays for USC, there was never any need to play him outside, with Cush and Matthews on the team. The only concerns regarding Maualuga playing OLB is his lack of coverage experience. But that's primarily due to the fact that MLB's rarely emerge in pass coverage. Rey's got the speed and the talent, so why wouldn't he be able to be coached up in coverage? But Rey DOES have coverage skills, even a knack for knocking receivers off their routes. So I believe it's BS that he couldn't play OLB for a year while learning from Fletch and Blache.

A more consistent playmaker than Keith Rivers -- selected 10th overall by the Bengals in 2008 -- Maualuga might be the most explosive hitter in the draft. Blessed with a prototypical combination of size and athleticism, Maualuga has the speed to beat the running back wide and the bulk to be a punisher on the inside. Maualuga impressed scouts with his ability to rush the passer during drills at the Senior Bowl and delivered six sacks as a junior (zero as a senior). His penchant for big plays in coverage make him one of the few inside linebackers of this class capable of playing all three downs. A three-time all-conference selection and 2009 All-American, Maualuga is a difference-maker worthy of a top-20 selection in the 2009 draft.

Good initial quickness off the snap. ... Quickly gets to top speed, flashing rare downhill explosiveness for the position. ... Reads the action quickly. ... Willing to take on blocks and has the strength and hand technique to shed quickly. ... Good lateral quickness to evade blockers and has the speed to beat backs to the flanks. ... Gets good depth on his pass drop and is quick to close on the ball. ... Punishing hitter with four career forced fumbles. ... Productive pass rusher with the speed to close on even mobile quarterbacks. ... Can break down in space to make the secure open-field tackle.

Rey Maualuga is a terror at the middle linebacker spot. He reminds me of another MLB named Ray (although obviously spelled differently), as in Ray Lewis. Although Lewis was much more of a vocal leader and all around a better athlete, Maualuga has that rare ability to dissect plays within seconds and deliver jarring hits.

Maualuga would probably have been the 1st MLB/ILB taken in the 2008 NFL Draft, most likely supplanting Jerod Mayo, whom was selected with the 10th pick. Although Mayo is more of an athlete and a more vocal leader, he does not have Maualuga instincts…something that you cannot teach. Durability is also something that separate Maualuga from other hard hitting linebackers.

Maualuga reminds many of another former USC linebacker, Junior Seau. Maualuga has great size and power. He has sideline to sideline speed, but also has good short-area quickness. He is surprisingly smooth for such a big linebacker. Maualuga has improved his instincts as a blitzer. Maualuga is a great middle linebacker prospect and in the right system could emerge as an even better pro than college player. Maualuga finished the 2007 season as USC's leading tackler with 79 tackles, including 10.5 tackles for a loss and 6 sacks. Maualuga had a great game in the 2008 Rose Bowl, including 3 sacks and an interception. He was named the game's "Outstanding Defensive Player." Maualuga is the most instinctual linebacker college football has seen in the last 5 years. He has shown an incredible knack for finding the ball early in the 2008 season.


And lastly, if folks can't recognize the advantage of playing and learning the system for a year, from both Fletcher and Blache, before taking over as the QB of the defense, then I'm not sure what else to say. I've explained that advantage several times in this thread.

For the record, I'm in no way suggesting that Maualuga should be the primary target in the draft. I believe OT is a slightly bigger need and Andre Smith would be my first choice if he's there. Like others here, yeah, sure, I'd also take Curry, Jason Smith, Monroe... etc. But those guys will be gone, so I'm building my board based on who I think WILL be available.

I like Cushing a lot and wouldn't be upset if they went that route. I'd just be concerned about his injury history (the LB position is an extremely physical position) and would he only be available for 12 or 13 games a season? I just happen to like Maualuga a little better and he's never had a history of injuries. In fact, Rey is touted, in large part, due to his durability, especially being the big hitter that he is. He knows how to deliver a hit without hurting himself, something Cushing is not as good at.

Now, he did suffer a hammy at the combine. That's why his 40 time was slow and why he's currently not rated higher. But I believe he'll be fine and would be more durable than Cush.
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Cushing proved that he is faster, quicker, and stronger than Mauauluga at the combine (2 tenths faster in the forty, Cushing led LB's in Bench Reps and 3 cone drill) He is also taller. Basically, he is more suited for the bruising at SAM Lb. And he played there in college.
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brad7686 wrote:Cushing proved that he is faster, quicker, and stronger than Mauauluga at the combine (2 tenths faster in the forty, Cushing led LB's in Bench Reps and 3 cone drill) He is also taller. Basically, he is more suited for the bruising at SAM Lb. And he played there in college.


I thought you were a draft guru? :hmm: :lol:

I guess you didn't really follow the combine or what specifically happened with Maualuga. He had the hammy before the combine, but decided not to make excuses and give it a go. His 40 time was slow because he pulled up before the end of the 40.

Excited to work out with the top prospects in the country, Maualuga’s leg didn’t feel right during warm-ups. But he didn’t let that deter him from working out. Near the end of his 40-yard dash attempt at the Combine, Maualuga pulled up with an apparent leg injury. The injury turned out to be his hamstring, and the result was a disappointing 4.81 in the 40.

In this Scout.com exclusive, Maualuga discussed his current health, what his experience was like at the Combine, how different it is to compete against Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews after being teammates and much more.

Chris Steuber: How is the hamstring?

Rey Maualuga: The hamstring is fine. I’m not in a rush yet, as far as running and doing all of the footwork. My doctor, Dr. Guerrero, is a great doctor and he’s been working on my hamstring. I’m rehabbing with him, working out at API and getting treatment there every day as well. Everyone has done a great job; they’re all helping out. Right now, it feels great, but I wouldn’t say it’s 100-percent. On Monday (March 16th), we’ll start on my footwork and all of that and see how it goes from there.

CS: What’s the significance of the injury? Is it a strain or is it more severe?

Maualuga: It was a strain; I hurt it previously before the Combine. I strained it at the Combine and then a week later during training I thought I was fine, but I strained it a little bit more. I thought I was fine at the Combine, and I didn’t want to use the excuse that I hurt it beforehand because I wanted to compete with the other guys. Unfortunately, things didn’t go my way. Looking back, I think it made things a little better. Now that I’m hurt, I can take each day and work on it and make it even stronger and better. So, come Pro Day, it should be strong enough, and I’ll be good to go.

CS: How concerned were you when you first felt something not right with your hamstring?

Maualuga: I was warming up and I was telling myself that I was going to be ready when I got to the starting line and actually do the 40. But when I was warming up and running, I could feel it; I could feel it tugging. I didn’t want to tell myself that I was going to pull out at the last second. I can honestly say that I knew something was going to happen [with my leg], but I didn’t want to jinx myself and believe something was going to happen.

CS: So, you knew something could go wrong before you even ran the 40?

Maualuga: Right, but you always think the worst. I can seriously say that I knew I wasn’t ready, but just being there [at the Combine] I was ready, because I had so much adrenaline running through me. I didn’t want to use my injury as an excuse, I felt that I was ready; it just didn’t work out for me.

CS: At what percentage would you say your hamstrings health is at right now?

Maualuga: [Pause]… I would say I’m a little over 80, maybe 85 to 90 percent healthy right now. Like I said, I haven’t really tested it. I still have awhile to go until my Pro Day. I’ll be seeing the Redskins on March 24th to do a private workout at the school (USC) with the rest of the guys. I’m going to go out there; I’m not going to run the 40, it will probably be just some linebacker drills with the coaches. That will be the first test for me to see how well my leg is.

CS: So for the last three weeks you’ve just been resting up and receiving treatments over at API?

Maualuga: Yeah, but I’ve working out, working out my upper-body and stuff. It’s not like I’m staying at home and resting my leg waiting for it to heal on it’s own. I’m rehabbing it every day.

CS: Besides the hamstring, how are you holding up physically?

Maualuga: Everything is good, life is great; I’m just living life to the fullest each day. Each day is not guaranteed. I have the mindset that whatever I do today, I just want to be happy with the decisions I make.


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I did forget about the hamstring. It doesn't mean he can play OLB better than Cushing, who played there in college, and I will stand by that. He is big enough to play there, but he isn't as stout as Cushing.
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brad7686 wrote:He is big enough to play there, but he isn't as stout as Cushing.


Maybe, but he also doesn't have the injury history and concerns like Cushing has. Maualuga is actually highly recognized and regarded for his durability, especially being such a physical and bruising player.

And for the record, as I've said several times, I really like Cushing. At times, he was the best of USC's trio of linebackers. I'm just a bit concerned about the injury history.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:With regard to Malauaga, I'm curious as to what you think would happen if he comes in an can't play on the outside. Do the Skins carry three MLBs? What if Fletcher continues to play at a high level in 2009? Do you just automatically hand the starting job to Malauaga in 2010, even if you still have an above average MLB in Fletcher?


First of all, how do you know that Cushing's prior injuries won't inevitably become degenerative conditions?

As far as Maualuga is concerned, the thought process isn't that difficult, but I'll be happy to break it down for you again. :wink:

Fletcher will be 34 years old at the start of next season. 34 YEAR OLD. I absolutely expect him to have another good year, but at that age, expecting many more years beyond that is just wishful thinking. You, yourself, were bashing Taylor due to his age, also 34. Also, did you look at Fletcher's cap ramifications in 2010? Probably not.

Thinking a MLB can't play OLB is really pretty short-sighted. Due to Marcus Washington's injuries, the Skins have been playing Blades at OLB for several years now. I like Blades a lot, but I just don't see the former 6th rounder as a dominant starter in this league. He's great for depth however.

Also, just take a look at Cushing's bio, he's also played both positions. But since Maualuga has been such a dominant force in the middle, and since he plays for USC, there was never any need to play him outside, with Cush and Matthews on the team. The only concerns regarding Maualuga playing OLB is his lack of coverage experience. But that's primarily due to the fact that MLB's rarely emerge in pass coverage. Rey's got the speed and the talent, so why wouldn't he be able to be coached up in coverage? But Rey DOES have coverage skills, even a knack for knocking receivers off their routes. So I believe it's BS that he couldn't play OLB for a year while learning from Fletch and Blache.

A more consistent playmaker than Keith Rivers -- selected 10th overall by the Bengals in 2008 -- Maualuga might be the most explosive hitter in the draft. Blessed with a prototypical combination of size and athleticism, Maualuga has the speed to beat the running back wide and the bulk to be a punisher on the inside. Maualuga impressed scouts with his ability to rush the passer during drills at the Senior Bowl and delivered six sacks as a junior (zero as a senior). His penchant for big plays in coverage make him one of the few inside linebackers of this class capable of playing all three downs. A three-time all-conference selection and 2009 All-American, Maualuga is a difference-maker worthy of a top-20 selection in the 2009 draft.

Good initial quickness off the snap. ... Quickly gets to top speed, flashing rare downhill explosiveness for the position. ... Reads the action quickly. ... Willing to take on blocks and has the strength and hand technique to shed quickly. ... Good lateral quickness to evade blockers and has the speed to beat backs to the flanks. ... Gets good depth on his pass drop and is quick to close on the ball. ... Punishing hitter with four career forced fumbles. ... Productive pass rusher with the speed to close on even mobile quarterbacks. ... Can break down in space to make the secure open-field tackle.

Rey Maualuga is a terror at the middle linebacker spot. He reminds me of another MLB named Ray (although obviously spelled differently), as in Ray Lewis. Although Lewis was much more of a vocal leader and all around a better athlete, Maualuga has that rare ability to dissect plays within seconds and deliver jarring hits.

Maualuga would probably have been the 1st MLB/ILB taken in the 2008 NFL Draft, most likely supplanting Jerod Mayo, whom was selected with the 10th pick. Although Mayo is more of an athlete and a more vocal leader, he does not have Maualuga instincts…something that you cannot teach. Durability is also something that separate Maualuga from other hard hitting linebackers.

Maualuga reminds many of another former USC linebacker, Junior Seau. Maualuga has great size and power. He has sideline to sideline speed, but also has good short-area quickness. He is surprisingly smooth for such a big linebacker. Maualuga has improved his instincts as a blitzer. Maualuga is a great middle linebacker prospect and in the right system could emerge as an even better pro than college player. Maualuga finished the 2007 season as USC's leading tackler with 79 tackles, including 10.5 tackles for a loss and 6 sacks. Maualuga had a great game in the 2008 Rose Bowl, including 3 sacks and an interception. He was named the game's "Outstanding Defensive Player." Maualuga is the most instinctual linebacker college football has seen in the last 5 years. He has shown an incredible knack for finding the ball early in the 2008 season.


And lastly, if folks can't recognize the advantage of playing and learning the system for a year, from both Fletcher and Blache, before taking over as the QB of the defense, then I'm not sure what else to say. I've explained that advantage several times in this thread.

For the record, I'm in no way suggesting that Maualuga should be the primary target in the draft. I believe OT is a slightly bigger need and Andre Smith would be my first choice if he's there. Like others here, yeah, sure, I'd also take Curry, Jason Smith, Monroe... etc. But those guys will be gone, so I'm building my board based on who I think WILL be available.

I like Cushing a lot and wouldn't be upset if they went that route. I'd just be concerned about his injury history (the LB position is an extremely physical position) and would he only be available for 12 or 13 games a season? I just happen to like Maualuga a little better and he's never had a history of injuries. In fact, Rey is touted, in large part, due to his durability, especially being the big hitter that he is. He knows how to deliver a hit without hurting himself, something Cushing is not as good at.

Now, he did suffer a hammy at the combine. That's why his 40 time was slow and why he's currently not rated higher. But I believe he'll be fine and would be more durable than Cush.


It's pointless to keep going back and forth on this. We just aren't going to agree here. Look, I like Malauaga. He's one of my favorite players in this draft and if we had more of a need at MLB I would take him in a heartbeat. I also see where you are coming from with the injury concerns on Cushing. To me it just comes down to the fact that we have an immediate need at OLB and are set at MLB for at least 2009 at MLB. I also happen to think that Blades can be a solid starter at MLB for us. Imo, drafting Malauaga, we create a logjam at MLB and will be left with the same problem that we have now at OLB in 2010. But hey, if the Skins draft Malauaga I certainly wont be upset about. One thing that we can definitely agree on is that he has a TON of talent.
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For the record, I think Maualuga is very talented as well.
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CanesSkins26 wrote:It's pointless to keep going back and forth on this. We just aren't going to agree here.


We don't have to agree, and trust me, I'm not banking on that in the least. It's for the purpose of discussion and offering different angles of perspective for folks to consider.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I also see where you are coming from with the injury concerns on Cushing.


There's one other thing to consider with regard to Cushing and Matthews, something the NFLN guys have pointed out recently. Cushing and Matthews were 2 down linebackers, meaning on 3rd and passing downs, they came off the field. Maualuga was the only 3 down linebacker on the team, which makes him just a bit more valuable.
Rey's scouting report wrote:His penchant for big plays in coverage make him one of the few inside linebackers of this class capable of playing all three downs.


CanesSkins26 wrote:Imo, drafting Malauaga, we create a logjam at MLB and will be left with the same problem that we have now at OLB in 2010.


It's not a log jam if Rey plays OLB for a year while mastering the system to become the defensive general. And further, Blades has been playing at all LB positions, as we only have 5 LB's on the roster. As far as the "same problem in 2010", if they do take a true OLB, then the same could be said about next year and the need to address the Mike position, especially since Fletch will be 35 years old and entering his 13th season. We need an infusion of youth at LB to go along with McIntosh.

As you don't take chances with the QB of your offense, you shouldn't take chances with the QB of your defense. Similarly, as it's advantageous to allow an offensive QB to spend a year learning the system before he's thrown into the fire, the same can be said about a QB for your defense. The difference is that Maualuga would actually be on the field gaining valuable playing experience. Teams like to build around the defensive QB, like the Ravens did with Ray Lewis, and while our aging MLB is still pretty good, he's definitely heading towards the end of his career.


Cushing could also be gone by the time we pick. So again, it's not that Maualuga is the primary target, but someone to consider if the top of your board has been wiped out. It's just something to consider, that's all. As fleetus' thread title suggests, the Skins DO face a dilemma with the 13th pick.
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SkinsFreak wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:It's pointless to keep going back and forth on this. We just aren't going to agree here.


We don't have to agree, and trust me, I'm not banking on that in the least. It's for the purpose of discussion and offering different angles of perspective for folks to consider.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I also see where you are coming from with the injury concerns on Cushing.


There's one other thing to consider with regard to Cushing and Matthews, something the NFLN guys have pointed out recently. Cushing and Matthews were 2 down linebackers, meaning on 3rd and passing downs, they came off the field. Maualuga was the only 3 down linebacker on the team, which makes him just a bit more valuable.
Rey's scouting report wrote:His penchant for big plays in coverage make him one of the few inside linebackers of this class capable of playing all three downs.


CanesSkins26 wrote:Imo, drafting Malauaga, we create a logjam at MLB and will be left with the same problem that we have now at OLB in 2010.


It's not a log jam if Rey plays OLB for a year while mastering the system to become the defensive general. And further, Blades has been playing at all LB positions, as we only have 5 LB's on the roster. As far as the "same problem in 2010", if they do take a true OLB, then the same could be said about next year and the need to address the Mike position, especially since Fletch will be 35 years old and entering his 13th season. We need an infusion of youth at LB to go along with McIntosh.

As you don't take chances with the QB of your offense, you shouldn't take chances with the QB of your defense. Similarly, as it's advantageous to allow an offensive QB to spend a year learning the system before he's thrown into the fire, the same can be said about a QB for your defense. The difference is that Maualuga would actually be on the field gaining valuable playing experience. Teams like to build around the defensive QB, like the Ravens did with Ray Lewis, and while our aging MLB is still pretty good, he's definitely heading towards the end of his career.


Cushing could also be gone by the time we pick. So again, it's not that Maualuga is the primary target, but someone to consider if the top of your board has been wiped out. It's just something to consider, that's all. As fleetus' thread title suggests, the Skins DO face a dilemma with the 13th pick.


Cushing played some 3rd downs just not regularly. You have to be careful taking everything the NFL Network says at face value. USC had a trio of fantastic LB's. When a defense is good, they put offenses in lots of 3rd and long situations. So the defense is in nickel and dime packages. Only one or two LB's on the field. Cushing played most 3rd downs that required 3 LB's on the field. But many of the 1 and 2 LB sets, he was on the bench. He made some great plays on 3rd downs. Matthews definitely played 3rd downs. In fact, some people grade him higher than Cushing for this very reason. But Cushing has better coverage skills than Matthews. The reason people view Matthews as a better 3rd down LB is because of his exceptional pass rushing skills. So if you're considering drafting Cushing or Matthews, you have to consider them with respect to your specific defensive scheme. I think we might benefit from having Matthews rush the QB some, considering our DE issues. Go watch some USC football games and you'll see what I'm talking about. Either way, both Cushing and Matthews will be useful in 3rd downs that require all 3 LB's on the field.
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fleetus wrote:In fact, some people grade him [Matthews] higher than Cushing for this very reason.


I did see that some actually have Matthews rated higher. I agree all three were very impressive players and certainly recognize that some people have them graded differently.

And for the record, I did watch many of the USC games. One of my neighbors is a USC alum and I'd sneak over to his house at night, due to the time difference of USC playing on the West Coast, to watch some of the games. My wife would end up calling there looking for me... it was pretty funny actually... at least to me anyway, probably not to my wife. :lol:
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