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funbunch65 wrote:I don't care who the QB is next year as long as it isn't Campbell. Campbell is coming off his best year with a whopping 13 td's in 16 games. What a joke.

I would have to agree with you. The Redskins aren't committed to him past this year why hold onto him if he is just going to walk at the end of the year

Countertrey wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:Never going to happen. Sanchez will be off of the board long before the Redskins get a choice.

Perhaps... but if he's still there... this "interest" is likely to foster a tremendous amount of interest from other teams in pursuing a trade up to 13 (or higher, which might preserve one of the other linemen that we are also interested in...)

It's just as likely that this is an attempt to stir such interest, and increase the likelihood of trading back in round 1, while picking up a 2nd round pick.

Nice spin. You should run for congress and help them address the stimulus bill.....

In reality, this doesn't happen. That would be a huge waste of time (and money) for the FO and Sanchez. I don't even think the FO is a dumb as you are implying here. Personally, I don't see us drafting Sanchez, BUT I don't think this is a chess move to spurn a draft-day trade.

This kind of maneuvering happens all the time... why? Because it costs a team next to nothing to posture, and occasionally you can influence someone. You might want to put the sarcasm away for a bit, and just discuss...

Your call.

Don't agree that this happens "all the time" (especially at 13 -- maybe at picks 1-5). If Sanchez is available at 13 (which some believe he will be), the FO may very well take him seeing is how they have stated that they will take the "best available player". Sanchez may very well be the "best available player" with the 13th pick.

I still contend it is a waste of time for them to do this and is not being done to spurn a draft day trade, but if your rationale makes you feel better, then you can believe whatever you want. Unfortunetley for us, it won't help JC become a better QB.....which is what we all hope for.

Heck, I'm just gonna assume that this is Todd's last year with us. "IF" JC does well and stays, wouldn't it be pretty awesome to have Colt AND Sanchez as backups?

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:Never going to happen. Sanchez will be off of the board long before the Redskins get a choice.

Perhaps... but if he's still there... this "interest" is likely to foster a tremendous amount of interest from other teams in pursuing a trade up to 13 (or higher, which might preserve one of the other linemen that we are also interested in...)

It's just as likely that this is an attempt to stir such interest, and increase the likelihood of trading back in round 1, while picking up a 2nd round pick.

Nice spin. You should run for congress and help them address the stimulus bill.....

In reality, this doesn't happen. That would be a huge waste of time (and money) for the FO and Sanchez. I don't even think the FO is a dumb as you are implying here. Personally, I don't see us drafting Sanchez, BUT I don't think this is a chess move to spurn a draft-day trade.

This kind of maneuvering happens all the time... why? Because it costs a team next to nothing to posture, and occasionally you can influence someone. You might want to put the sarcasm away for a bit, and just discuss...

Your call.

Don't agree that this happens "all the time" (especially at 13 -- maybe at picks 1-5). If Sanchez is available at 13 (which some believe he will be), the FO may very well take him seeing is how they have stated that they will take the "best available player". Sanchez may very well be the "best available player" with the 13th pick.

I still contend it is a waste of time for them to do this and is not being done to spurn a draft day trade, but if your rationale makes you feel better, then you can believe whatever you want. Unfortunetley for us, it won't help JC become a better QB.....which is what we all hope for.

There are 53 slots on a football team. Even if QB is our biggest concern (not addressing that in this reply), it's not our only concern.

Trying Sanchez out to either interview him for potential draft or to make others think we're interested (therefore making later teams want to trade up for him), what does it hurt?

All 53 players know that their job is year to year. Even the big contract guys (Ask Hall about last year). This tryout can't hurt anything.

Countertrey wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:Never going to happen. Sanchez will be off of the board long before the Redskins get a choice.

Perhaps... but if he's still there... this "interest" is likely to foster a tremendous amount of interest from other teams in pursuing a trade up to 13 (or higher, which might preserve one of the other linemen that we are also interested in...)

It's just as likely that this is an attempt to stir such interest, and increase the likelihood of trading back in round 1, while picking up a 2nd round pick.

I think thats more likely to happen. I think its possible that he could fall to us, but I don't think we would draft him. We would trade down and try to get a 2nd round pick for the 13th pick.

And if we draft Sanchez doesnt that mean we would have 4 QBs on the roster if we don't cut Brennan or Collins, which I don't see us cutting either one. I think 4 QBs on one roster would be pretty dumb.

Just my opinion, but I think that this has more to do with evaluating Sanchez than with trying to generate interest in a trade. While that happens fairly often, it usually happens more often with top 5 picks, maybe even top 10 picks, but not so much with teams drafting outside of the top 10. If Sanchez falls to 13th I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Skins picked him. Our qb situation isn't very good and if JC doesn't improve significantly this year we are essentially looking at having Colt and Collins for 2010, not very promising.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Colt and Collins for 2010, not very promising.

That's kind of an unfair statement. Collins has been a career backup, but when he stepped in two years ago he was awesome. Yes, he was in that system for who knows how many years, but in 2010 he'd be in the WCO for three years. Collins is one of those "student of the game" type of guys and I don't doubt his ability to learn and execute. As for Brennan, we really don't know what the kid has in him, but we don't know how Sanchez would pan out either. Both are equal tossups in my opinion, but Brennan has the slight advantage for being in the system for a year.

That's kind of an unfair statement. Collins has been a career backup, but when he stepped in two years ago he was awesome. Yes, he was in that system for who knows how many years, but in 2010 he'd be in the WCO for three years. Collins is one of those "student of the game" type of guys and I don't doubt his ability to learn and execute.

in 2010 Collins will be 39 years old. You really would want to go with a 39 year old qb with limited starting experience?

As for Brennan, we really don't know what the kid has in him, but we don't know how Sanchez would pan out either. Both are equal tossups in my opinion, but Brennan has the slight advantage for being in the system for a year.

I disagree with that completely. Brennan is a project qb that played in a run-and-shoot type offense in a garbage conference. Sanchez, on the other hand, played in pro-style offense in one of the toughest conferences in college football. Obviously since neither has actually played in a regular season game they are both tossups. However, Sanchez imo has much more NFL potential than Brennan.[/quote]

CanesSkins26 wrote:in 2010 Collins will be 39 years old. You really would want to go with a 39 year old qb with limited starting experience?

He may be 39, but he hasn't been taking hits all those years either. You're right, he does have limited starting experience, but that didn't seem to phase him in the playoff run.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I disagree with that completely. Brennan is a project qb that played in a run-and-shoot type offense in a garbage conference.

Unfortunately, the kid can't control what teams he played, but he tore up the teams he was scheduled to face.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Sanchez, on the other hand, played in pro-style offense in one of the toughest conferences in college football. Obviously since neither has actually played in a regular season game they are both tossups. However, Sanchez imo has much more NFL potential than Brennan.

I agree, the PAC-10 is one of the top five conferences in college football, but Sanchez only played one full season in that conference; not to mention USC's defense was fantastic last year as well. I am not disputing the fact that he's a good prospect, but to say he's got on edge on Brennan after a full season of learning in the NFL ain't right.

If another team wants Sanchez and thinks we are going to take him at #13, they won't trade with us, but a team in front of us.

I cannot believe there is a team "out there" that thinks we will take Sanchez when it is so obvious that we have other more pressing needs right now.

If there are other teams that think that this guy can be their future great QB they might make an effort to get him and if he's still there they might want to trade up for him BUT if Sanchez is still there at # 13 and nobody wants to trade for him we would be making a huge mistake to take this guy.

that is from someone that does not think Campbell is a future great - I think Campbell will be fine but I really have not seen potential greatness and I believe we will need a QB for the future but not at # 13 in this draft.

I really hope and think we are taking an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman or a LB - in that order

SkinsJock wrote:I really hope and think we are taking an offensive lineman or a defensive lineman or a LB - in that order

I could see us taking a linebacker at 13, but I don't really see what offensive lineman or defensive lineman we would take at that spot. Orakpo and Raji are more than likely gone by 13. Maybin and Brown will likely be available but both are undersized ends that are probably going to end up as 3-4 linebackers. In terms of offensive line, Monroe and Jason Smith will be gone. Andre Smith might be available, and if he is we should pass on him. So that essentially leaves Oher and 13 is probably a little high for him. I think that it was SkinsFreak that posted some good info on him in another thread that made it seem like Oher is somewhat of a project. So for defensive and offensive line we are in a pretty tough spot at #13. Obviously there are a number of linebackers that we could take, but if it comes down to a linebacker or Sanchez I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Skins went with the qb.

markshark84 wrote:Don't agree that this happens "all the time" (especially at 13 -- maybe at picks 1-5). If Sanchez is available at 13 (which some believe he will be), the FO may very well take him seeing is how they have stated that they will take the "best available player". Sanchez may very well be the "best available player" with the 13th pick.

I still contend it is a waste of time for them to do this and is not being done to spurn a draft day trade, but if your rationale makes you feel better, then you can believe whatever you want. Unfortunetley for us, it won't help JC become a better QB.....which is what we all hope for.

Wow... you and Canes are funny. Don't agree with it? That's cool... I guess. But it DOES happen ALL THE TIME. I don't know if you get the NFLN or not, but Charley Casserly, a former NFL GM, has been talking about this very point quite often recently on The Path To The Draft series. He also talks about leaking misrepresentations to the media to throw other teams off. It's a fact, whether you recognize it or not.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Just my opinion, but I think that this has more to do with evaluating Sanchez than with trying to generate interest in a trade. While that happens fairly often, it usually happens more often with top 5 picks, maybe even top 10 picks, but not so much with teams drafting outside of the top 10. If Sanchez falls to 13th I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Skins picked him. Our qb situation isn't very good and if JC doesn't improve significantly this year we are essentially looking at having Colt and Collins for 2010, not very promising.

Well... that's an opinion I guess, but an uninformed and baseless on at that. Yes, it does happen all the time and not just in the top 5 or 10. It depends on which player you are targeting and where that player is projected to go. It happened with Jason Campbell, and he was selected with the 25th pick. Sanchez is being projected to go in the 7-15 pick range by many mocks. Therefore, if you're a team picking in that range and want to foster interest for the purpose of a trade, you do exactly what the Skins are doing. Not only is it to foster some interest, but it's also about due diligence, perhaps you've heard of the term.

Drafting Sanchez would truly make this team a laughing stock. After using a 1st round pick on JC and then giving him three systems in four years, giving up on him now would be a major mistake. If you read or follow the news, the players are backing him, the coaches are backing him, and if you watch shows on the NFLN or talk to fans of other teams, even they realize the unfortunate and rare circumstance of JC and the carousel of system changes he's endured. It's only a few disgruntled Skins fans that are actually calling for his head, while most experts and analysts believe he deserves a chance in Zorn's system for a second year (and I'm not talking about dips like JLC). We also just used a pick on Colt and only have 5 picks this year. So again, giving up on both at this point would be a mistake, and Zorn and the informed and knowledgeable know it and won't let that happen.

If Campbell fails to get it done this coming season, then you look at Colt or look to draft a QB next year, when the QB class will be far more talented. If JC fails, I'm all for giving Colt a shot or making a move to draft someone like Bradford (my favorite) or McCoy. I'm 100% confident, based on Zorn's own comments, that they are committed to JC and he'll get his deserved chance this coming season.

It happened with Jason Campbell, and he was selected with the 25th pick.

How exactly did it happen with JC? He was projected as a 2nd round pick by many analysts like Kiper.

Sanchez is being projected to go in the 7-15 pick range by many mocks. Therefore, if you're a team picking in that range and want to foster interest for the purpose of a trade, you do exactly what the Skins are doing. Not only is it to foster some interest, but it's also about due diligence, perhaps you've heard of the term.

This whole idea of fostering trade interest is vastly overblown. NFL teams bring in numerous players pre-draft for various reasons. Sure sometimes teams try to fake interest in players, but I don't think that it happens nearly as often as you think it does. A lot of this is due diligence on the part of teams and I think that is why the Skins are working out Sanchez.

It's only a few disgruntled Skins fans that are actually calling for his head, while most experts and analysts believe he deserves a chance in Zorn's system for a second year (and I'm not talking about dips like JLC). We also just used a pick on Colt and only have 5 picks this year. So again, giving up on both at this point would be a mistake, and Zorn and the informed and knowledgeable know it and won't let that happen.

It's not just a few disgruntled fans that are concerned about JC. At a fan event in Richmond this weekend Terry Bradshaw, during a Q&A session, when asked about the Redskins the first thing that he said is that he is concerned about the qb situation.

If JC fails, I'm all for giving Colt a shot or making a move to draft someone like Bradford (my favorite) or McCoy.

Bradford is going to be a top 5 pick in next year's draft unless he somehow bombs next season.

I'm 100% confident, based on Zorn's own comments, that they are committed to JC and he'll get his deserved chance this coming season.

Most likely they are. But if they are impressed by Sanchez it wouldn't surprise me if they draft him. I'm not saying that I think that they'll do it, I don't think that they will, but it also wouldn't surprise me.

Well, like I said, everyone has an opinion, no matter how illogical it may be.

And I never said there weren't "concerns" about JC, but rather that damn near every industry professional believes he deserves the starting role and an opportunity to have a 2nd season in the same offensive system.

And I'm sorry for your refusal of recognition, but if you think fostering trade interest is vastly overblown, then you haven't spent much time educating yourself about that aspect of the game. Ex-players, coaches and GM's talk about it quite frequently this time of year. I know, I've been listening to them.

Deadskins wrote:If another team wants Sanchez and thinks we are going to take him at #13, they won't trade with us, but a team in front of us.

And, that's certainly probable... but if they trade with the right team, it may leave a player on the board at 13 that otherwise might be gone. That would work just as well.

On Sirius NFL, Adam Schein mentioned that the Redskins evaluating Sanchez has provoked discussion that several teams are considering trading up into the top 10 to have a shot at him.

^^^Exactly, spot on, Trey.^^^

CanesSkins26 wrote: But if they are impressed by Sanchez it wouldn't surprise me if they draft him.

I'm not saying that I think that they'll do it, I don't think that they will, but it also wouldn't surprise me.

Is that a waffle? you Americans have made this an art form

As you know I am not confident that Campbell is the future but I am very confident that he will be given every opportunity to succeed here and that he deserves that - BUT that 'plan' does not include bringing in anyone like Sanchez to make Campbell feel at all uncomfortable about getting it done this season with Brennan (and to a lessor extent, Collins) backing him up

I think we are doing due diligence bringing in Sanchez but I would be really surprised if we brought him in here IF he was available at # 13.

then again, I have very little faith in this FO - hold on there, was that a waffle ....

SkinsJock wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote: But if they are impressed by Sanchez it wouldn't surprise me if they draft him.

I'm not saying that I think that they'll do it, I don't think that they will, but it also wouldn't surprise me.

Is that a waffle? you Americans have made this an art form

As you know I am not confident that Campbell is the future but I am very confident that he will be given every opportunity to succeed here and that he deserves that - BUT that 'plan' does not include bringing in anyone like Sanchez to make Campbell feel at all uncomfortable about getting it done this season with Brennan (and to a lessor extent, Collins) backing him up

I think we are doing due diligence bringing in Sanchez but I would be really surprised if we brought him in here IF he was available at # 13.

then again, I have very little faith in this FO - hold on there, was that a waffle ....

Every move doesn't have to be about giving JC a warm and fuzzy or making him feel threatened, and I think that's been illustrated already. There are 52 more people on this roster and there are more than 22 starting positions (if you could K/P/ect).

VetSkinsFan wrote:.. Every move doesn't have to be about giving JC a warm and fuzzy or making him feel threatened, and I think that's been illustrated already. There are 52 more people on this roster and there are more than 22 starting positions (if you count K/P etc ... )

no worries - I probably should not have used those exact words - I just do not think that they are bringing in another QB at # 13 - even these guys are not that stupid

like most teams we have a number of needs and do not have the luxury of spending our best pick in this year's draft on a QB .. that's fairly simple

SkinsJock wrote:no worries - I probably should not have used those exact words - I just do not think that they are bringing in another QB at # 13 - even these guys are not that stupid

like most teams we have a number of needs and do not have the luxury of spending our best pick in this year's draft on a QB .. that's fairly simple

One would think it was that simple for the Redskins too, SkinsJock. But somehow I doubt it is.

Irn-Bru wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:no worries - I probably should not have used those exact words - I just don't think that they are bringing in another QB at #13 - even these guys are not that stupid

like most teams we have a number of needs and do not have the luxury of spending our best pick in this year's draft on a QB .. that's fairly simple

One would think it was that simple for the Redskins too, SkinsJock. But somehow I doubt it is.

ain't that the truth

As I was pushing the 'submit' button I had this sinking feeling - "you know these guys are not going to do what you expect" - and - "what really are their motives for making the moves that they have made?"

I look at it like this:

I'm a bystander and a fan. I have no control over it, so I may get a bit upset at what they do, ultimately, it's a spectator sport for me, so I can either go with the flow or go somewhere else, and I ain't goin nowhere, so....

SkinsJock wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:.. Every move doesn't have to be about giving JC a warm and fuzzy or making him feel threatened, and I think that's been illustrated already. There are 52 more people on this roster and there are more than 22 starting positions (if you count K/P etc ... )

no worries - I probably should not have used those exact words - I just do not think that they are bringing in another QB at # 13 - even these guys are not that stupid

like most teams we have a number of needs and do not have the luxury of spending our best pick in this year's draft on a QB .. that's fairly simple

It's not only our best pick...we really only have 2 decent picks in this draft. You can't be spending for a luxury when you have pressing needs...now.

If the Redskins really thought that Mark Sanchez was an elite QB and Jason Campbell was not they'd be stupid NOT to bring him in.

It's easy to talk about pressing needs now but in a year if Jason Campbell is playing somewhere else, Colt Brennan is starting and Sanchez looks like a future stud people would be KILLING the Redskins for not grabbing Sanchez when they had the chance.

It's never "stupid" to get a great player. Whether or not Sanchez is that guy (probably not) is up for debate, but if they were to draft Sanchez and he were to have a great career in Washington who cares what anyone would think about it this April?