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Californiaskin wrote:we cant get starter ot at 13 as the best will be gone....we need to get lb and stopgap ot with a FA

I'm thinking Orakpo or Cushing..... heck I don't know....!!!

Gibbs4Life wrote:We're strong at corner
Strong at DT

weak at DE
thin at LB
thin at Safety

We can't draft for all the above because top priority is OT and likely 2nd RB.

that will leave 4 picks for 5 positions of need.

DE, LB, S, OT, RB

Right now I know OT is safe but C.Wells Ohio State would likely score us alot of touchdowns even if it were behind jansen.

How will cerrato draft?

Don't count Carter out just yet. A healthy Griffin, Carter, Haynesworth, and Daniels can be a formibable front 4. Daniels won't be bursting to the QB, but sets up nicely for some aggressive blitzing schemes.

I don't agree with it, but I don't think we're addressing RB in the draft. We have Betts and CP and we have other pressing needs. I don't like the combo, but that's apparently what Zorn likes. Maybe we'll see some improvements in the 1-2 punch this year; Betts is a serviceable RB with low mileage.

Also, I don't believe that we'll address safety in the draft. We have Moore, Landry, Horton and Grant (PS). I would think that we'll pick up a seasoned vet like we did Stoutmire.

So I see OT & LB for our first two picks, with OT being more of a need. Yes, our LB corps is the weakest in the East, but we do have some talent out there. If Rocky can stay healthy, we have 1 slot of need and then depth. Blades and Fincher both played decent or better last year and with the addition of Haynesworth, our entire defense just got better.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Don't count Carter out just yet. A healthy Griffin, Carter, Haynesworth, and Daniels can be a formibable front 4. Daniels won't be bursting to the QB, but sets up nicely for some aggressive blitzing schemes.

Yeah, I agree. And there's still the draft. I would also say don't count out Wilson and Jackson, or even Buzbe. Haynesworth can make 2nd tier DE's look good. A d-line rotation has always been a philosophy employed by Blache anyways. So depending on the package, down and distance, guys like Daniels and Wilson, playing along side of Haynesworth may be better than some are predicting.

I don't agree with it, but I don't think we're addressing RB in the draft. We have Betts and CP and we have other pressing needs. I don't like the combo, but that's apparently what Zorn likes. Maybe we'll see some improvements in the 1-2 punch this year; Betts is a serviceable RB with low mileage.

I agree here as well. And don't forget, they quietly signed Anthony Alridge and this guy IS the speedy back that could have a chance. He ran the 3rd fastest 40 time (4.36) at the combine last year. He's not a lock, but definitely someone worth watching this offseason and during camp.

Also, I don't believe that we'll address safety in the draft. We have Moore, Landry, Horton and Grant (PS). I would think that we'll pick up a seasoned vet like we did Stoutmire.

Agreed. They also just re-signed Doughty for depth.

So I see OT & LB for our first two picks, with OT being more of a need. Yes, our LB corps is the weakest in the East, but we do have some talent out there. If Rocky can stay healthy, we have 1 slot of need and then depth. Blades and Fincher both played decent or better last year and with the addition of Haynesworth, our entire defense just got better.

Agreed that OT and LB are our biggest needs, but I'm not sure OT is a lock with our first pick. The top three will most likely be gone. Andre Smith is having his Pro Day workouts today and I'm wondering if the Skins will have a contingent in Alabama for his workouts. If he looks good and falls to #13, I'd say take him. If he looks good and gets drafted ahead of us, in my opinion, the best "value" that high that fills a need will be with Orakpo or Cushing.

Here's something interesting...

OL Michael Oher Gets Out-Benched By USC Kicker David Buehler

When trying to impress potential bosses that you’re one of the biggest and baddest offensive lineman in the country, getting out-benched by a kicker doesn’t help.

Michael Oher is arguably in the top five offensive tackles in this year’s NFL Draft. Well, until he sat under the 225-pound bench press.

Oher was out-benched by USC kicker David Buehler, who put up 225-pounds 25 times, four more than the Mississippi offensive tackle.

Draft the kicker, then!

(Nah, just kidding)

Wonder what kind of shape Arrington is in?

OL Michael Oher Gets Out-Benched By USC Kicker David Buehler

When trying to impress potential bosses that you’re one of the biggest and baddest offensive lineman in the country, getting out-benched by a kicker doesn’t help.

Michael Oher is arguably in the top five offensive tackles in this year’s NFL Draft. Well, until he sat under the 225-pound bench press.

Oher was out-benched by USC kicker David Buehler, who put up 225-pounds 25 times, four more than the Mississippi offensive tackle.

In addition to that, I also just read this...

2/19/2009 - There is a diversity of opinion surrounding Oher (pronounced "oar"), but none of it has to do with his elite athletic ability. A naturally quiet, reserved man, Oher speaks loudly on the field, where he has demonstrated the ability to absolutely out-quick, outmuscle and manhandle opponents. But there is concern that he will struggle to grasp sophisticated concepts in the NFL. That has led to numerous roundtable discussions among scouts who alternately question or rave about his upside in the pros. Some say he is so physically gifted that he will be a standout, while others are concerned that he might not be able to understand the complexities of his position, which could endanger the quarterback. Oher was highly visible coming out of high school as a USA TODAY All-America selection and a subject in the book Blind Side. - Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFL Draft Scout

<snip>

Football Sense: Oher has a learning disability. He lacks awareness picking up the blitz. He has good quickness, but needs to attack defenders away from the play more often, as he prefers to stay with his man rather than look for secondary targets to attack. He needs more than several reps to retain plays, but has to play with better instincts to pick up how the defense is attacking.

For the record, I'm not totally hating on Oher, and I'm actually liking the the kid more and more. I sat next to a guy wearing an Ole Miss shirt at a tiki bar by the beach the other night. I asked him about Oher and this guy (an older gentleman who was an Ole Miss alum on vacation) just raved about Oher.

It will be interesting to see which side of the table the Skins scouts are on. If they did take a chance on Oher at #13, I wouldn't be entirely upset or opposed. That said, I still believe there are more talented and safer prospects.

If he does, in fact, have a learning disability, he may have a better chance catching on at RT to start his NFL career, a position of need for the Skins. Oher will most definitely be a 1st rounder, but I'm just concerned that the Skins can't afford a 1st round miss, bust or developmental project. We need an immediate starter and a player to make an immediate impact on the field. That's why I believe on of the top LB's would be better value and a safer selection.

It will be interesting to see which side of the table the Skins scouts are on. If they did take a chance on Oher at #13, I wouldn't be entirely upset or opposed. That said, I still believe there are more talented and safer prospects.

I agree. With a top 15 pick it's probably not the best idea to take a guy that has Oher's boom or bust-type potential. Like you said, there are safer prospects available. Even though oline was our #1 priority heading into the offseason and still remains the top priority, it's starting to look like taking a defensive player will give us the best value at #13. I wouldn't mind seeing us take Cushing or Matthews. Others will probably disagree with this also, but if Sanchez is still on the board I would seriously consider taking him if I was the Skins.

CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree. With a top 15 pick it's probably not the best idea to take a guy that has Oher's boom or bust-type potential.

Others will probably disagree with this also, but if Sanchez is still on the board I would seriously consider taking him if I was the Skins.

Sanchez is about your perfect boom or bust candidate. He has all the makings: underclassman QB (62% don't succeed in the NFL), only 1 year starter, etc. Even his coach told him to go back to school!

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree. With a top 15 pick it's probably not the best idea to take a guy that has Oher's boom or bust-type potential.

Others will probably disagree with this also, but if Sanchez is still on the board I would seriously consider taking him if I was the Skins.

Sanchez is about your perfect boom or bust candidate. He has all the makings: underclassman QB (62% don't succeed in the NFL), only 1 year starter, etc. Even his coach told him to go back to school!

He also excelled in a pro-style offense, has a strong arm, is extremely accurate, has a very quick release, is mobile, and apparently did a great job during the combine in his interviews. Reports I've seen about the combine talked about how the coaches and scouts that met with him raved about his leadership and his knowledge of the game. He would a perfect fit in a west coast offense.

Kiper has him as the 5th best player in the draft.

Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 pick in the draft, while Sanchez is definitely one of the top five to eight players available. If he slides to the 10th spot or later, he'll qualify as a major steal. Had he returned to USC for his final season of collegiate eligibility, Sanchez more than likely would have been the top pick in the 2010 draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3954478

By comparison, Kiper has Oher at #24.

Scouts, Inc. has Sanchez as the 9th best player in the draft. Oher as the 17th.

we need speedy LB's (what we have) to cover Fat Al's space when he busts up the line, I think we are good, but we could sure use bigger bodies in there.

SKINFAN wrote:we need speedy LB's (what we have) to cover Fat Al's space when he busts up the line, I think we are good, but we could sure use bigger bodies in there.

I'm down for drafting Cushing or Orakpo - Defense is where I think we should draft first.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree. With a top 15 pick it's probably not the best idea to take a guy that has Oher's boom or bust-type potential.

Others will probably disagree with this also, but if Sanchez is still on the board I would seriously consider taking him if I was the Skins.

Sanchez is about your perfect boom or bust candidate. He has all the makings: underclassman QB (62% don't succeed in the NFL), only 1 year starter, etc. Even his coach told him to go back to school!

He also excelled in a pro-style offense, has a strong arm, is extremely accurate, has a very quick release, is mobile, and apparently did a great job during the combine in his interviews. Reports I've seen about the combine talked about how the coaches and scouts that met with him raved about his leadership and his knowledge of the game. He would a perfect fit in a west coast offense.

Kiper has him as the 5th best player in the draft.

Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 pick in the draft, while Sanchez is definitely one of the top five to eight players available. If he slides to the 10th spot or later, he'll qualify as a major steal. Had he returned to USC for his final season of collegiate eligibility, Sanchez more than likely would have been the top pick in the 2010 draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3954478

By comparison, Kiper has Oher at #24.

Scouts, Inc. has Sanchez as the 9th best player in the draft. Oher as the 17th.

Not to get off topic, but Stafford and Sanchez are the key to the top half of the first round. If one or both aren't picked up by Detroit and San Fran, then there could be some real jockeying for position by teams like the Jets, Bucs, and Lions (second pick). That could leave the 'Skins in a good bargaining position. That may enable us to get a high #2 pick and pick up both a RT and a DE/LB...

CanesSkins26 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree. With a top 15 pick it's probably not the best idea to take a guy that has Oher's boom or bust-type potential.

Others will probably disagree with this also, but if Sanchez is still on the board I would seriously consider taking him if I was the Skins.

Sanchez is about your perfect boom or bust candidate. He has all the makings: underclassman QB (62% don't succeed in the NFL), only 1 year starter, etc. Even his coach told him to go back to school!

He also excelled in a pro-style offense, has a strong arm, is extremely accurate, has a very quick release, is mobile, and apparently did a great job during the combine in his interviews. Reports I've seen about the combine talked about how the coaches and scouts that met with him raved about his leadership and his knowledge of the game. He would a perfect fit in a west coast offense.

Kiper has him as the 5th best player in the draft.

Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 pick in the draft, while Sanchez is definitely one of the top five to eight players available. If he slides to the 10th spot or later, he'll qualify as a major steal. Had he returned to USC for his final season of collegiate eligibility, Sanchez more than likely would have been the top pick in the 2010 draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3954478

By comparison, Kiper has Oher at #24.

Scouts, Inc. has Sanchez as the 9th best player in the draft. Oher as the 17th.

I understand that he's a very highly rated draftee, but my problem is I have a hard time reconciling your two statements. You don't think 13 is a good place for a boom or bust type pick, yet Sanchez is exactly that.

USAFSkinFan wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree. With a top 15 pick it's probably not the best idea to take a guy that has Oher's boom or bust-type potential.

Others will probably disagree with this also, but if Sanchez is still on the board I would seriously consider taking him if I was the Skins.

Sanchez is about your perfect boom or bust candidate. He has all the makings: underclassman QB (62% don't succeed in the NFL), only 1 year starter, etc. Even his coach told him to go back to school!

He also excelled in a pro-style offense, has a strong arm, is extremely accurate, has a very quick release, is mobile, and apparently did a great job during the combine in his interviews. Reports I've seen about the combine talked about how the coaches and scouts that met with him raved about his leadership and his knowledge of the game. He would a perfect fit in a west coast offense.

Kiper has him as the 5th best player in the draft.

Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 pick in the draft, while Sanchez is definitely one of the top five to eight players available. If he slides to the 10th spot or later, he'll qualify as a major steal. Had he returned to USC for his final season of collegiate eligibility, Sanchez more than likely would have been the top pick in the 2010 draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3954478

By comparison, Kiper has Oher at #24.

Scouts, Inc. has Sanchez as the 9th best player in the draft. Oher as the 17th.

Not to get off topic, but Stafford and Sanchez are the key to the top half of the first round. If one or both aren't picked up by Detroit and San Fran, then there could be some real jockeying for position by teams like the Jets, Bucs, and Lions (second pick). That could leave the 'Skins in a good bargaining position. That may enable us to get a high #2 pick and pick up both a RT and a DE/LB...

If we do trade down, I hope we draft a DE & an OLB with our 1st 2 picks & an OT in the 3rd.

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:I agree. With a top 15 pick it's probably not the best idea to take a guy that has Oher's boom or bust-type potential.

Others will probably disagree with this also, but if Sanchez is still on the board I would seriously consider taking him if I was the Skins.

Sanchez is about your perfect boom or bust candidate. He has all the makings: underclassman QB (62% don't succeed in the NFL), only 1 year starter, etc. Even his coach told him to go back to school!

He also excelled in a pro-style offense, has a strong arm, is extremely accurate, has a very quick release, is mobile, and apparently did a great job during the combine in his interviews. Reports I've seen about the combine talked about how the coaches and scouts that met with him raved about his leadership and his knowledge of the game. He would a perfect fit in a west coast offense.

Kiper has him as the 5th best player in the draft.

Stafford is worthy of being the No. 1 pick in the draft, while Sanchez is definitely one of the top five to eight players available. If he slides to the 10th spot or later, he'll qualify as a major steal. Had he returned to USC for his final season of collegiate eligibility, Sanchez more than likely would have been the top pick in the 2010 draft.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/insider/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&id=3954478

By comparison, Kiper has Oher at #24.

Scouts, Inc. has Sanchez as the 9th best player in the draft. Oher as the 17th.

I understand that he's a very highly rated draftee, but my problem is I have a hard time reconciling your two statements. You don't think 13 is a good place for a boom or bust type pick, yet Sanchez is exactly that.

I disagree that he is a boom or bust type pick. I think that he has all the qualities to turn into a very good NFL qb. Oher is a lot more of an uncertainty than Sanchez imo.

Fletcher is proven kick butt
McIntosh is injury prone
All the rest still have much to prove too........

I say we get a STOUT, bad mo, LB

CUSHING, CUSHING, CUSHING....!!!!!

Californiaskin wrote:you guys are all kidding yourselves with this mindless off season delusion....our linebackers are awful.......top to bottom......weakest set of LBs in our division for shore.....we need to draft LB at 13 cuz these jokers suck, would be lucky to start for other teams

london is not a joker

the rest, well.....leave little to be desired

I was not impressed with HB's play last year

tribeofjudah wrote:McIntosh is injury prone

You can't make that statement, definitively.

Deadskins wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:McIntosh is injury prone

You can't make that statement, definitively.

Yes you can. At Miami he missed time his sophomore year with a knee injury. His junior year it was a shoulder injury that led to him missing games. He then blew out his knee last season. On top of that he has a degenerative knee condition. I'm a big Rocky fan (go Canes!) but he is a major injury risk.

tribeofjudah wrote:

jerseyskin wrote:we still need lots of help there. who is going to start on the strongside, fletcher is very good still, but getting old and macintosh is up and down all season, i would like for us to draft one of the top four backers that will be available....

2nd round LB..... that's my prediction.

The problem with that prediction is that we have no second round pick.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:McIntosh is injury prone

You can't make that statement, definitively.

Yes you can. At Miami he missed time his sophomore year with a knee injury. His junior year it was a shoulder injury that led to him missing games. He then blew out his knee last season. On top of that he has a degenerative knee condition. I'm a big Rocky fan (go Canes!) but he is a major injury risk.

I still don't buy the label.

His health and those of the other LB's will be improved with Haynesworth absorbing contact from o-linemen.

Deadskins wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:McIntosh is injury prone

You can't make that statement, definitively.

Yes you can. At Miami he missed time his sophomore year with a knee injury. His junior year it was a shoulder injury that led to him missing games. He then blew out his knee last season. On top of that he has a degenerative knee condition. I'm a big Rocky fan (go Canes!) but he is a major injury risk.

I still don't buy the label.

As far as I'm concerned, knee injuries and football don't mix. Multiple knee problems makes someone injury prone IMO.

brad7686 wrote:As far as I'm concerned, knee injuries and football don't mix.

Sadly, knee injuries and football seem to mix together very well

As you know, they're super common. Two guys I can recall off the top of my head were Dan Hampton and Mark Schlereth. Dan Hampton had 10 knee surgeries...and Mark Schlereth had 20 (!) knee surgeries.

Knee injuries just don't mix well with positions that depend on movement and explosion...like linebacker

And multiple knee injuries for a guy who hasn't been in the NFL very long absolutely make him injury prone.