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DEHog wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

DEHog wrote:I'd like to go on record as to giving DS and VC credit

QUICK, NOTE THE DATE AND TIME IN THE LOG!

Thanks you sir...never let it be said..

Felt good right DE? I agree though man, I like how they're handling things overall

DEHog wrote:
I'd like to go on record as to giving DS and VC credit for not going after T.O....

That must have hurt!

Are you feeling okay? Wanna sit down? Maybe we can get you some water while you shake it off!

I just never thought I'd see the day!

Happy we do not have to face him anymore.

Peter King is already talking about him going to the Redskins (besides the Raiders obviously)... thank god he's never right...

USAFSkinFan wrote:Peter King ... thank god he's never right...

It's hard to be NEVER right and ALWAYS late, but he is consistant at both.

1niksder wrote:

DEHog wrote:

1niksder wrote:

DEHog wrote:
Exactly why I'd like to see him go to the Giants!!

Me too but...

Us either...
Vinny says...

Owens reps called us three years ago before he went to Dallas, and we didn’t have interest then,” Cerrato said. “Why would we have interest when he’s three years older now? We have no interest.”

I'd like to go on record as to giving DS and VC credit for not going after T.O....

The list is growing...

Please note that this only reflects teams that already have said that they’re not interested:

The New York Giants.

The Washington Redskins.

The Baltimore Ravens.

The San Francisco 49ers.

The Minnesota Vikings.

The Atlanta Falcons.

Here are the teams that likely will join the list soon:

The Philadelphia Eagles.

The Miami Dolphins.

Heh, I don't even think the Eagles have to say NO publicly.

Wasn't there a love fest between T.O. and the Eagles this past season, I remember McNabb saying Terrell had matured and T.O. said if there was ever an opportunity to go back that he was sure they'd try to bring him back. To me Philly is most likely to sign him.

frankcal20 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:Bring him here man. The crap that happened was the media. When you have a unnamed source that doesn't want to be named then i consider that person a coward. Okay so TO had a conversation with someone from the coaching staff behind closed doors. Big deal. So did a few other players, but because its TO someone has to make a big deal out of it. Look I know that TO has made some mistakes in the past but who hasn't? The crap about TO in Dallas was all media.

What about Philly? What about San Fran? The media? Have you lost your mind? TO would be just about the worst thing for this team as possible. I don't know where he is gonna land. NE already has Moss and Welker so there is really not a need at WR. I don't know who is going to want to take on those services.

No my friend I have not lost my mind. There are players in the NFL that have done worst stuff and don't get near the crap that TO gets. Don't know what happened in SF, but what happened to SF since he left? Secondly the situation in Philly the Eagles were no saints in this situation. The owner of the team had TO go on that monday night situation with Nicole Sheridan and then when TO was getting blasted for that situation the owner didn't have enough courage to go to the media and set the record straight that he had TO do it. Then when TO got hurt and was working his butt off to be ready in time for the super bowl right before the game they made him sign a waiver saying that if he got hurt then they can release him without paying the rest of his contract. What crap is this? And then after the Superbowl they asked McNabb after the game what he thought about the miracle comeback from TO. McNabb said and I quote it was okay but it took away from MY PERFORMANCE. Also to Cory Simon who used to play for the Eagles at the time when TO was there who by the way is a Born Again Christian even said himself that TO was not the problem in Philly, that Philly had problems before TO even got there. Then you already have what I wrote about Dallas. As I said before yes TO has made mistakes in his past but a lot of this crap that we are hearing is all being blown up by the media.

jeremyroyce wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:Bring him here man. The crap that happened was the media. When you have a unnamed source that doesn't want to be named then i consider that person a coward. Okay so TO had a conversation with someone from the coaching staff behind closed doors. Big deal. So did a few other players, but because its TO someone has to make a big deal out of it. Look I know that TO has made some mistakes in the past but who hasn't? The crap about TO in Dallas was all media.

What about Philly? What about San Fran? The media? Have you lost your mind? TO would be just about the worst thing for this team as possible. I don't know where he is gonna land. NE already has Moss and Welker so there is really not a need at WR. I don't know who is going to want to take on those services.

No my friend I have not lost my mind. There are players in the NFL that have done worst stuff and don't get near the crap that TO gets. Don't know what happened in SF, but what happened to SF since he left? Secondly the situation in Philly the Eagles were no saints in this situation. The owner of the team had TO go on that monday night situation with Nicole Sheridan and then when TO was getting blasted for that situation the owner didn't have enough courage to go to the media and set the record straight that he had TO do it. Then when TO got hurt and was working his butt off to be ready in time for the super bowl right before the game they made him sign a waiver saying that if he got hurt then they can release him without paying the rest of his contract. What crap is this? And then after the Superbowl they asked McNabb after the game what he thought about the miracle comeback from TO. McNabb said and I quote it was okay but it took away from MY PERFORMANCE. Also to Cory Simon who used to play for the Eagles at the time when TO was there who by the way is a Born Again Christian even said himself that TO was not the problem in Philly, that Philly had problems before TO even got there. Then you already have what I wrote about Dallas. As I said before yes TO has made mistakes in his past but a lot of this crap that we are hearing is all being blown up by the media.

First of all, if you don't even know what happened with TO in San Francisco, then why are you defending this guy?

Secondly, TO is a megalomaniac and has serious psychological issues, to the extent where he has repeatedly thrown his own teammates, especially his quarterbacks, under the bus. Why the hell do you think Dallas is cutting him therefore taking a 9M dollar cap hit after signing a contract extension with him a YEAR ago? This speaks volumes about his nature as a teammate and that a team like the Cowgirls, who openly welcome and harbor criminals and outcasts, couldn't even stand him.

The entire episode in Philly was far from a "miraculous comeback". It was a desperate attempt from a guy to take advantage of the largest stage on TV (the Super Bowl) and to use it to steal the limelight. If you think this was a heroic effort, you're sadly mistaken.

TO is now 35. He's slow. He is atop the league statistically almost every year in dropped passes. History has proved with him that he is a "me first" player and not worth the hassle. Need more proof? How about NO teams have called TO or his agent. If anything, they're tripping over each other to announce that in no way are they interested in bringing in a cancer into the locker room.

I dont care for T.Os personality or actions no more than the rest of you. Im not even saying I want him here. I will say for all of you that say he is garbage and cant get free from a corner and is washed up to really think about that. On a bad year bye himself he put up comprable numbers to our entire wr unit. He is hands down better than anyone we have or have had in the past 10 years. One last thing, dont be so quick to say you dont want him and then turn around and say "oh crap" if the Giants did get him. I think we are fine with Kelly and Thomas emerging but we have desperately been lacking a big receiver. None of our wr ever get any yards after the catch because they cant break a single tackle. Just think twice before you hate on a 35 year old receiver that is easily still in the top ten at his position

Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

VetSkinsFan wrote:Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

I'm sure he has several good classes he could teach to our young, impressionable WRs:

Exercise Physiology 101: "Situps in Your Driveway: Crunching To a Better You"
Chemistry 101: "How to Ruin Team Chemistry"
Sociology 101: "How to Throw Your QB Under the Bus"

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

I'm sure he has several good classes he could teach to our young, impressionable WRs:

Exercise Physiology 101: "Situps in Your Driveway: Crunching To a Better You"
Chemistry 101: "How to Ruin Team Chemistry"
Sociology 101: "How to Throw Your QB Under the Bus"

Whatever. He has skills that are coveted on the field. That influence could be valuable. If these same guys are that weak of character where they pick up that attitude, then they might have developed it otherwise. Sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth to have a thought outside of the herd...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

I'm sure he has several good classes he could teach to our young, impressionable WRs:

Exercise Physiology 101: "Situps in Your Driveway: Crunching To a Better You"
Chemistry 101: "How to Ruin Team Chemistry"
Sociology 101: "How to Throw Your QB Under the Bus"

Whatever. He has skills that are coveted on the field. That influence could be valuable. If these same guys are that weak of character where they pick up that attitude, then they might have developed it otherwise. Sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth to have a thought outside of the herd...

The problem is, you take TO, you get the whole package... TO clearly does not see himself as a mentor. You will get him doing what he does well, and you will get him doing what gets him in trouble... but don't count on him to provide "instruction" in getting separation when jammed at the line of scrimmage (his real strength as a wide out), because that would mean giving up the secret recipe...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

I'm sure he has several good classes he could teach to our young, impressionable WRs:

Exercise Physiology 101: "Situps in Your Driveway: Crunching To a Better You"
Chemistry 101: "How to Ruin Team Chemistry"
Sociology 101: "How to Throw Your QB Under the Bus"

Whatever. He has skills that are coveted on the field. That influence could be valuable. If these same guys are that weak of character where they pick up that attitude, then they might have developed it otherwise. Sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth to have a thought outside of the herd...

Actually there's a difference.

T.O. (much as I hate to admit it) has talent as opposed to skills

You can learn a skill, but you cannot learn talent.

Bob 0119 wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

I'm sure he has several good classes he could teach to our young, impressionable WRs:

Exercise Physiology 101: "Situps in Your Driveway: Crunching To a Better You"
Chemistry 101: "How to Ruin Team Chemistry"
Sociology 101: "How to Throw Your QB Under the Bus"

Whatever. He has skills that are coveted on the field. That influence could be valuable. If these same guys are that weak of character where they pick up that attitude, then they might have developed it otherwise. Sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth to have a thought outside of the herd...

Actually there's a difference.

T.O. (much as I hate to admit it) has talent as opposed to skills

You can learn a skill, but you cannot learn talent.

I'm sure there are WRs out there that have watched game tape TO trying to figure out how to best emulate his results. Anyone picking up any of the skills or trying to emulate the talent he has can be nothihng but beneficial IMO. Yes, it's a gamble, but it's one that has to be considered.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

I'm sure he has several good classes he could teach to our young, impressionable WRs:

Exercise Physiology 101: "Situps in Your Driveway: Crunching To a Better You"
Chemistry 101: "How to Ruin Team Chemistry"
Sociology 101: "How to Throw Your QB Under the Bus"

Whatever. He has skills that are coveted on the field. That influence could be valuable. If these same guys are that weak of character where they pick up that attitude, then they might have developed it otherwise. Sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth to have a thought outside of the herd...

1. He HAD skills that were coveted, but he's clearly on the decline.
2. He's a physical WR, one that has succeeded because he's physically powerful. His technique is generally terrible, and he plays half-assed part of the time (he's got a nice case of alligator arms).
3. I forgot the most important class he could teach our young WRs:

Passcatching 101 "Drop it like it's hot"

I can't see the benefit of him being here. Really. You'd take away from playing time of the youngsters, and you'd introduce a guy who's been ditched by three teams in six years, because despite his production on the field, he's a total clubhouse cancer. And although his production is clearly dropping (despite complaining and getting more passes thrown to him last year...he had a grand total of 2 100 yard games), his off-field antics are worse than ever.

It's a loser's bet that despite all of his well documented history, he's going to come to the Redskins and act like a mentor to young players. That's just not who he is.

MakeRomoCry wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:

jeremyroyce wrote:Bring him here man. The crap that happened was the media. When you have a unnamed source that doesn't want to be named then i consider that person a coward. Okay so TO had a conversation with someone from the coaching staff behind closed doors. Big deal. So did a few other players, but because its TO someone has to make a big deal out of it. Look I know that TO has made some mistakes in the past but who hasn't? The crap about TO in Dallas was all media.

What about Philly? What about San Fran? The media? Have you lost your mind? TO would be just about the worst thing for this team as possible. I don't know where he is gonna land. NE already has Moss and Welker so there is really not a need at WR. I don't know who is going to want to take on those services.

No my friend I have not lost my mind. There are players in the NFL that have done worst stuff and don't get near the crap that TO gets. Don't know what happened in SF, but what happened to SF since he left? Secondly the situation in Philly the Eagles were no saints in this situation. The owner of the team had TO go on that monday night situation with Nicole Sheridan and then when TO was getting blasted for that situation the owner didn't have enough courage to go to the media and set the record straight that he had TO do it. Then when TO got hurt and was working his butt off to be ready in time for the super bowl right before the game they made him sign a waiver saying that if he got hurt then they can release him without paying the rest of his contract. What crap is this? And then after the Superbowl they asked McNabb after the game what he thought about the miracle comeback from TO. McNabb said and I quote it was okay but it took away from MY PERFORMANCE. Also to Cory Simon who used to play for the Eagles at the time when TO was there who by the way is a Born Again Christian even said himself that TO was not the problem in Philly, that Philly had problems before TO even got there. Then you already have what I wrote about Dallas. As I said before yes TO has made mistakes in his past but a lot of this crap that we are hearing is all being blown up by the media.

First of all, if you don't even know what happened with TO in San Francisco, then why are you defending this guy?

Secondly, TO is a megalomaniac and has serious psychological issues, to the extent where he has repeatedly thrown his own teammates, especially his quarterbacks, under the bus. Why the hell do you think Dallas is cutting him therefore taking a 9M dollar cap hit after signing a contract extension with him a YEAR ago? This speaks volumes about his nature as a teammate and that a team like the Cowgirls, who openly welcome and harbor criminals and outcasts, couldn't even stand him.

The entire episode in Philly was far from a "miraculous comeback". It was a desperate attempt from a guy to take advantage of the largest stage on TV (the Super Bowl) and to use it to steal the limelight. If you think this was a heroic effort, you're sadly mistaken.

TO is now 35. He's slow. He is atop the league statistically almost every year in dropped passes. History has proved with him that he is a "me first" player and not worth the hassle. Need more proof? How about NO teams have called TO or his agent. If anything, they're tripping over each other to announce that in no way are they interested in bringing in a cancer into the locker room.

The only thing that I am going to respond to you about the post in this. So, what if I don't what happened in SF. I told you what happened in Dallas and Philly. I gave you 2 out of 3. That's good enough

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Bob 0119 wrote:Actually there's a difference.

T.O. (much as I hate to admit it) has talent as opposed to skills

You can learn a skill, but you cannot learn talent.

I'm sure there are WRs out there that have watched game tape TO trying to figure out how to best emulate his results. Anyone picking up any of the skills or trying to emulate the talent he has can be nothihng but beneficial IMO. Yes, it's a gamble, but it's one that has to be considered.

Certainly, I could sit down with Joe Satriani and have him teach me how to play guitar, doesn't mean I'll ever be able play as good as he can.

That's the difference between skill and talent.

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:Imagine the mentorship (in skills) that TO could do for our big WRs, though. That could be very valuable, even for just a season.

I'm sure he has several good classes he could teach to our young, impressionable WRs:

Exercise Physiology 101: "Situps in Your Driveway: Crunching To a Better You"
Chemistry 101: "How to Ruin Team Chemistry"
Sociology 101: "How to Throw Your QB Under the Bus"

Whatever. He has skills that are coveted on the field. That influence could be valuable. If these same guys are that weak of character where they pick up that attitude, then they might have developed it otherwise. Sometimes it's more trouble than it's worth to have a thought outside of the herd...

1. He HAD skills that were coveted, but he's clearly on the decline.
2. He's a physical WR, one that has succeeded because he's physically powerful. His technique is generally terrible, and he plays half-assed part of the time (he's got a nice case of alligator arms).
3. I forgot the most important class he could teach our young WRs:

Passcatching 101 "Drop it like it's hot"

I can't see the benefit of him being here. Really. You'd take away from playing time of the youngsters, and you'd introduce a guy who's been ditched by three teams in six years, because despite his production on the field, he's a total clubhouse cancer. And although his production is clearly dropping (despite complaining and getting more passes thrown to him last year...he had a grand total of 2 100 yard games), his off-field antics are worse than ever.

It's a loser's bet that despite all of his well documented history, he's going to come to the Redskins and act like a mentor to young players. That's just not who he is.

The receivers already have that class figured out. The skins are doing what everyone else is doing. Showing no interest so the price drops, then someone will swoop in later. It will probably still turn into a huge bidding war toward the end of it, because I'm sure Rosenhaus has figured this out as well.