feels good to be a skins fan

[Redskin in Canada]

2) We have a TRACK RECORD of incompetence and failure to stand on.

I'm not a moderator, but that kind of stuff seems more appropriate for smack, even if you are talking about yourself and the rest of the anti-Danny cadre.

Show me the Division, Conference or Lombardi trophies. No? Just one. No SB trophy? No Conference trophy? How about a miserable Division title in over a decade of DS ownership? No?


Any time, anywhere, anyhow. Make my day.

[VetSkinsFan]

Hall wasn't a FA splash, he's one of the best corners that were available and we resigned him.

Do you think that hall is worth $22.5 mill guaranteed though? No doubt he is a very good corner, but he isn't top 5 in the NFL or anything like that. I'm glad we kept him but I wonder if that type of offer was out there for him to get from other teams.

Let's see what he can do after a full off-season. Remember that he came in the middle of the season, and by the end of the season, wasn't he sitting our starter on the bench?

[CanesSkins26]

Hall wasn't a FA splash, he's one of the best corners that were available and we resigned him.

Do you think that hall is worth $22.5 mill guaranteed though? No doubt he is a very good corner, but he isn't top 5 in the NFL or anything like that. I'm glad we kept him but I wonder if that type of offer was out there for him to get from other teams.

Let's see what he can do after a full off-season. Remember that he came in the middle of the season, and by the end of the season, wasn't he sitting our starter on the bench?

I'm not denying that he isn't talented, I think he is. I'm also very glad that we kept him. Just seems to me that we overpaid for him.

[VetSkinsFan]

Sounds like some anti-Danny herd rhetoric to me.

Well, since you refer to me among others, I feel compelled to respond:

1) We will know very soon whether the signing (and its associated cost and record of injuries) was worth the risk.

2) We have a TRACK RECORD of incompetence and failure to stand on.

3) You have the HOPE that good results may possibly arrive yet again for the "next season".

I stand on facts and record. You stand on hope. I like the good people of Missouri, the SHOW ME State of the Union. SHOW ME why I should expect a dramatic change in the results if the modus operandi stays the same!

In the end, it really does not matter what we say MIGHT happen. The results speak for themselves. So far, they have.

I think we've made solid FA/resignings so far. The only thing I haven't agreed with so far is letting Evans go to SF.

-Haynesworth is going to be a playmaker. Yes, his track record says he won't be here for 16 games. How close were the majority of our games last year? Could that one stud DT have improved our D enough to change the outcome, very possibly.

-Hall is necessary. He's better than Smoot and Rogers and more durable than Springs. Based on his mid-season transition, he's slated to have a good year with a full off-season of preparation.

-Dockery was a solid signing, we drafted him, he got deep pockets, got humbled, and now he's home, being an upgrade from Kendall and now the youngest starter on our line with the possibility of being there for the
better half of a decade.

-Springs wasn't worth his weight. He was injury prone and wouldn't redo his contract. He's golden when he's healthy, but that's not very often these days.

-Taylor should be charged for grand larceny, b/c he didn't earn his paycheck. He was in the wrong system and suffered from his freak injury for far too long.

Based on these roster moves illustrated, I am confident that these are better moves than in years past. Also, as many have said and I agree with, we're headed in to an uncapped year. These long term large signings won't hurt as bad as they would if under the current CBA about to expire if I understand them correctly.

I wouldn't quite say we have a track record for failure. We're not the epitmy of success in the NFL, but there are teams that have done worse. We've squeaked in to the play-offs twice under JG and had a .500 season that showed promise if handled right.

Are we headed for the Big Game? I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but this year's moves shine a brighter and more friendly light than previous years. There's no need for the terminal negativity with the potential that we have. Not in my opinion.

[PulpExposure]

Hall wasn't a FA splash, he's one of the best corners that were available and we resigned him.

Do you think that hall is worth $22.5 mill guaranteed though? No doubt he is a very good corner, but he isn't top 5 in the NFL or anything like that. I'm glad we kept him but I wonder if that type of offer was out there for him to get from other teams.

Let's see what he can do after a full off-season. Remember that he came in the middle of the season, and by the end of the season, wasn't he sitting our starter on the bench?

I'm not denying that he isn't talented, I think he is. I'm also very glad that we kept him. Just seems to me that we overpaid for him.

In theory, I agree. But when Dominique Foxworth (aka I'm a slot corner) gets 16 million guarenteed, I'm not sure 22.5 for a guy who is the same age, but with 2 probowls on his resume and has been a starter since day 1 in the league, should really be considered overpayment.

[Deadskins]

It always feels good to be a Skin fan in the off-season.

Yeah, I remember Bruce Smith and Deion and how everyone said we'd win the Super Bowl...

Who's everyone?

[Deadskins]

It always feels good to be a Skin fan in the off-season.

Yeah, I remember Bruce Smith and Deion and how everyone said we'd win the Super Bowl...

At the time, I'll admit, I was for Bruce Smith, but I was never for Deion...

God, I hated that man. I had hated him all the way back to the Falcons. I felt he rode the coat-tails of good teams into the Super Bowl, without actually being all that great. Though you couldn't tell to hear him tell it.

I'm still not terribly keen on Haynesworth, but it was a need. Not the BIGGEST need, but a need I guess none-the-less.

I definately agree with the Hall signing.

I certainly agree with bringing Dockery back.

I felt Springs should have been gone two years ago, and felt the timing was just about right on Washington.

I'm 50/50 on Taylor. I'd have liked to have seen him stay, but felt he owed the team whatever they asked for after having the worst season of his career for $8 million dollars. To be honest, the only loss I see is the same "potential" that he had when he first got here and we all saw how well he lived up to his potential.

I like the fact they are shopping for more O-linemen, and hope like hell they stay as far away from T.O. as possible, though I would like to see them get a starting calibre WR, even if he does only wind up being depth. Who knows, Kelly and Thomas may surprise us this year, but it'd be nice to see someone solid in case they don't.

I think Thrash is done, and is the weakest of the WR corps (yes, even weaker than ARE), but he's a coach favorite, so he's probably not going anywhere.

I really think if they can shore up the O-line, give Campbell that extra second he needs (due to his slow read and delivery) that Campbell actually could get it done for the offense.

I think they should have kept Plackemeyer, and released Suisham. I think Plackemeyer's punts (especially towards the end of the season) were certainly more impressive than anything Suisham did.

I give the Redskins a C-grade thus far as they still have work to do, but at least they are doing it.

Great post, Bob.

[fleetus]

I personally think the front office has made great moves to try and better our team. Anytime you sign a player you are taking a chance. i like paying for proven talent rather than shell out huge bucks on great college players adjusting to the nfl

That's fine, there are lots of people who agree with you. Evidently Snyder is one of them, but, you really don't have to shell out big bucks for 2nd rounders and below. And while I agree signing any free agent is a risk, you can minimize that risk by, not always signing the highest priced free agents and depending on the draft for the core of your team so you don't have to sign so many free agents.

[VetSkinsFan]

I personally think the front office has made great moves to try and better our team. Anytime you sign a player you are taking a chance. i like paying for proven talent rather than shell out huge bucks on great college players adjusting to the nfl

That's fine, there are lots of people who agree with you. Evidently Snyder is one of them, but, you really don't have to shell out big bucks for 2nd rounders and below. And while I agree signing any free agent is a risk, you can minimize that risk by, not always signing the highest priced free agents and depending on the draft for the core of your team so you don't have to sign so many free agents.

According to Bernie's cap article, we're still $9+ million under the cap. How exactly is this a problem? If the FO's technique is to massage the cap every year, and it works, what's the problem? How do you know that they haven't been up front with the players. To my recollection, there's only been 1 guy that refused to redo his contract, and that player is no longer here.

When the skins wanted to sign JT last year, they did. In hindsight, many geniuses around the fire barrel said it was a poor choice, but it addressed an immediate need. This year, AH was signed along with Hall and Dock, and we're still $9m under. Where exactly is the problem?

Honestly (myself incuded), I think that most of "OMGWTF THE FO SUXXX" reaction to contracts and salaries is fear or the unknown, or as I like to call it, ignorance. If the arm chair GMs can't fathom it while watching Family Guy, then obviously the Redskins FO, who actually get paidto do this every year, are freaking morons. I mean, really, we're all really here as a secret coalition of geniuses disguised as disgruntled Redskins fans. If they'd just listen to a fan forum instead of doing their job, the skins would make the Steelers blush talking about the Super Bowls...

[fleetus]

No, sorry, but you're missing the point entirely. It isn't about the cap, it's about football. I don't believe you can put together a Super Bowl team who's core is mostly high priced free agents. It is an attitude that starts with the FO and permeates throughout the locker room. The FO doesn't value the lunch pale guy, the wedge buster, the backup guy, the young guy who needs to be coached and developed. They value the big star, who is gonna come here and single-handedly put us over the top.

Snyder has done amazing things with the cap, but that doesn't have anything to do with football. The cap is just a side game that owners and FO's get to play. Football is won by players and coaches. Football is a brutal game that requires hard work even when you're bone tired and hurt. Odds are, if your original team didn't pony up the money to keep you, then you might not be worth quite all that free agent money. Odds are, if you're rewarded a huge free agent deal, you're less likely to lay your a$$ on the line in the 4th quarter when your bone tired and hurt.

Now if you play on the Steelers or Patriots, most likely there is a 3rd or 4th round rookie chomping at the bit to prove that you're a step slower than he is. That attitude takes teams to the Super Bowl. Of course, this is all just IMHO.

[redskins14ru]

Honestly (myself incuded), I think that most of "OMGWTF THE FO SUXXX" reaction to contracts and salaries is fear or the unknown, or as I like to call it, ignorance

redskins scouting the college players in the draft has been questioned in previous post , is that one of my major concerns, the scouting ......... I saw one mock draft taking Maybin at end another an OT, at 13, another saying theres an OT at #1, but of coarse he is over rated. It appears that if they really wanted the could sign the guyt from seattle (willis I think his name is) who started 10 games last year and played for Zorn a few years back, I could maybe think of a zillion different ways to spend 9 million and to manipulate the draft. It will be interesting to see what what happens.

[VetSkinsFan]

No, sorry, but you're missing the point entirely. It isn't about the cap, it's about football. I don't believe you can put together a Super Bowl team who's core is mostly high priced free agents. It is an attitude that starts with the FO and permeates throughout the locker room. The FO doesn't value the lunch pale guy, the wedge buster, the backup guy, the young guy who needs to be coached and developed. They value the big star, who is gonna come here and single-handedly put us over the top.

Snyder has done amazing things with the cap, but that doesn't have anything to do with football. The cap is just a side game that owners and FO's get to play. Football is won by players and coaches. Football is a brutal game that requires hard work even when you're bone tired and hurt. Odds are, if your original team didn't pony up the money to keep you, then you might not be worth quite all that free agent money. Odds are, if you're rewarded a huge free agent deal, you're less likely to lay your a$$ on the line in the 4th quarter when your bone tired and hurt.

Now if you play on the Steelers or Patriots, most likely there is a 3rd or 4th round rookie chomping at the bit to prove that you're a step slower than he is. That attitude takes teams to the Super Bowl. Of course, this is all just IMHO.

I don't see the problem with picking up cogs to tighten up the slack in your machine. I see this year as the best year (so far) in the off-season. We have one more major question that I don't see getting addressed. Otherwise, we've done a great job with these FA.

So far, I see hall worth the money. I see Dockery being worth the money. The jury is still out on Haynesworth, even though a significant portion of people have already condemned him to the 8th ring of hell. I guess Fletcher wasn't worth picking up, either. I didn't feel that JT was a good fit, nor was he worth the money, but he fit a need. You can't draft enough depth to cover 2 DEs going on IR in the same week.

The same point you're arguing is the same point others argue, but the opposite. Should we have kept Marshall instead of picking up Fletcher? I mean, we had Marshall for awhile, but we picked up a FA in his place (after some shifting).

As for the bloodthirsty, that can be instilled with incentive based contracts. That's what Moss got when he was picked up by NE. I am a strong proponent of this. You don't perform, you don't get paid (well). You come off the bench and put out, then you get paid.

[Deadskins]

2) We have a TRACK RECORD of incompetence and failure to stand on.

I'm not a moderator, but that kind of stuff seems more appropriate for smack, even if you are talking about yourself and the rest of the anti-Danny cadre.

Show me the Division, Conference or Lombardi trophies. No? Just one. No SB trophy? No Conference trophy? How about a miserable Division title in over a decade of DS ownership? No?


Any time, anywhere, anyhow. Make my day.

OK, 1999. We won the division with a 10-6 record. And many of our recent FA signings have actually played very well for us. There is no reason to be instantly negative about this latest round of pickups.

[Redskin in Canada]

When the skins wanted to sign JT last year, they did. In hindsight, many geniuses around the fire barrel said it was a poor choice, but it addressed an immediate need.

What need did JT REALLY address?

Honestly (myself incuded), I think that most of "OMGWTF THE FO SUXXX" reaction to contracts and salaries is fear or the unknown, or as I like to call it, ignorance.

The difference is:

My ignorance and the ignorance of those like me, who are unhappy with the work of the FO for OVER a decade, are HARMLESS.

The ignorance, incompetence and failure of the genuises at the Front Office is DEADLY.

We are not paid and nobody has sought anything else but to express an opinion in this board. The fact that the subject goes to the core of our problems arises passions and dislikes. It is tough medicine but it is true. And what is worse: Get ready, if the season does not meet your expectations some of you might be leaving your posts as mods in disgust over the number of unhappy people around here.

I know you do not appreciate it but some of us feel that by pointing tothe RIGHT source of problems, by DEMANDING the acquisition of a REALLY GOOD GM, we are doing a better service to the Skins than puting themost favourable face in the expectation that the current team at the FO can see the light all of the sudden.

[fleetus]

No, sorry, but you're missing the point entirely. It isn't about the cap, it's about football. I don't believe you can put together a Super Bowl team who's core is mostly high priced free agents. It is an attitude that starts with the FO and permeates throughout the locker room. The FO doesn't value the lunch pale guy, the wedge buster, the backup guy, the young guy who needs to be coached and developed. They value the big star, who is gonna come here and single-handedly put us over the top.

Snyder has done amazing things with the cap, but that doesn't have anything to do with football. The cap is just a side game that owners and FO's get to play. Football is won by players and coaches. Football is a brutal game that requires hard work even when you're bone tired and hurt. Odds are, if your original team didn't pony up the money to keep you, then you might not be worth quite all that free agent money. Odds are, if you're rewarded a huge free agent deal, you're less likely to lay your a$$ on the line in the 4th quarter when your bone tired and hurt.

Now if you play on the Steelers or Patriots, most likely there is a 3rd or 4th round rookie chomping at the bit to prove that you're a step slower than he is. That attitude takes teams to the Super Bowl. Of course, this is all just IMHO.

You can't draft enough depth to cover 2 DEs going on IR in the same week.

Didn't the Giants do exactly that last year? Strahan retired and Umenyiora was lost for the season. They had drafted Justin Tuck and Kiwanuka.

As for the bloodthirsty, that can be instilled with incentive based contracts. That's what Moss got when he was picked up by NE. I am a strong proponent of this. You don't perform, you don't get paid (well). You come off the bench and put out, then you get paid.

Fair enough, but you won't be signing big time free agents like Haynesworth without huge guaranteed money. Moss was trying to escape Oakland hell and he would agree to anything to go to the Patriots. A rare situation. We couldn't even get Taylor to agree to come to Washington for off-season workouts, much less some heavy incentive laden contract. You want hard workers? then you have to draft them and then regularly attempt to draft their replacements, EVERY YEAR, without exception. An occasional free agent with the right work ethic and character is fine. (like Fletcher)

[Redskin in Canada]

There is no reason to be instantly negative about this latest round of pickups.

It is not about the value of INDIVIDUAL players signed per se. It is about the fact that the emphasis is on highly paid INDIVIDUALS as opposed to a view to improve the overall level of the Team with Depth.

Last year we had some DE's This year we are short. Last year we had very poor DT effort. Now we are good provided that no injuries occur. There is no PLAN other than individual high-priced acquisitions.

[PulpExposure]

The ignorance, incompetence and failure of the genuises at the Front Office is DEADLY.

Sorry, but that's just plainly insane to say. DEADLY!!! Oh no, the Redskins MAY sign a Free Agent that didn't work out!!! Call the National Guard!

PEOPLE WILL DIE!

-Or-

It's just a game?

[Redskin in Canada]

PEOPLE WILL DIE!

-Or-

It's just a game?

No, people will not die. The franchise will keep on suffering, the Front Office will be the laughinstock of the NFL, the fans will increase their frustration. The good coaches will not want to coach this team. The reputation of this team as a cash cow will continue. No, you are right, nobody will die. It is called a metaphore.

[yupchagee]

No, sorry, but you're missing the point entirely. It isn't about the cap, it's about football. I don't believe you can put together a Super Bowl team who's core is mostly high priced free agents. It is an attitude that starts with the FO and permeates throughout the locker room. The FO doesn't value the lunch pale guy, the wedge buster, the backup guy, the young guy who needs to be coached and developed. They value the big star, who is gonna come here and single-handedly put us over the top.

Snyder has done amazing things with the cap, but that doesn't have anything to do with football. The cap is just a side game that owners and FO's get to play. Football is won by players and coaches. Football is a brutal game that requires hard work even when you're bone tired and hurt. Odds are, if your original team didn't pony up the money to keep you, then you might not be worth quite all that free agent money. Odds are, if you're rewarded a huge free agent deal, you're less likely to lay your a$$ on the line in the 4th quarter when your bone tired and hurt.

Now if you play on the Steelers or Patriots, most likely there is a 3rd or 4th round rookie chomping at the bit to prove that you're a step slower than he is. That attitude takes teams to the Super Bowl. Of course, this is all just IMHO.

What about Thrash, Sellers, Cartright, Heyer among others?

[Deadskins]

No, sorry, but you're missing the point entirely. It isn't about the cap, it's about football. I don't believe you can put together a Super Bowl team who's core is mostly high priced free agents. It is an attitude that starts with the FO and permeates throughout the locker room. The FO doesn't value the lunch pale guy, the wedge buster, the backup guy, the young guy who needs to be coached and developed. They value the big star, who is gonna come here and single-handedly put us over the top.

Snyder has done amazing things with the cap, but that doesn't have anything to do with football. The cap is just a side game that owners and FO's get to play. Football is won by players and coaches. Football is a brutal game that requires hard work even when you're bone tired and hurt. Odds are, if your original team didn't pony up the money to keep you, then you might not be worth quite all that free agent money. Odds are, if you're rewarded a huge free agent deal, you're less likely to lay your a$$ on the line in the 4th quarter when your bone tired and hurt.

Now if you play on the Steelers or Patriots, most likely there is a 3rd or 4th round rookie chomping at the bit to prove that you're a step slower than he is. That attitude takes teams to the Super Bowl. Of course, this is all just IMHO.

What about Thrash, Sellers, Cartright, Heyer among others?

Or Dockery, for that matter.

[SkinsFreak]

There is no reason to be instantly negative about this latest round of pickups.

It is not about the value of INDIVIDUAL players signed per se. It is about the fact that the emphasis is on highly paid INDIVIDUALS as opposed to a view to improve the overall level of the Team with Depth.

Last year we had some DE's This year we are short. Last year we had very poor DT effort. Now we are good provided that no injuries occur. There is no PLAN other than individual high-priced acquisitions.

You see, that's the ignorance and short-sightedness their talking about with you. You keep asserting that these few contracts will limit our ability to sign depth, which is a complete fabrication. Even with these contracts, they're still almost $10M under the cap. And further, you've yet to offer any specific names from the masses and masses of free agents available that would fill our needs and fit our system. (...and please say Canty, please.)

The offseason isn't over yet, RiC, yet you act like they're done and can't afford to do anything else. Yeah, I agree, we are short at DE right now. I have to assume you forgot about the draft and are ignoring the fact that they still have money to sign depth or even a few starters. There's still free agents being brought in and there's still the draft in April. So this BS notion that they can't afford to sign anyone is laughable. Did you actually read Bernie's article? Or are you just pulling this stuff, a la Jason La Confora style?

99.999% of Skins fans were in favor of keeping Hall. We signed him for the vet-minimum last year and he deserved a new contract. Getting Dockery was a pleasant surprise and his deal is essentially a 3 year, $13M contract. And as Bernie showed you, Haynesworth deal is essentially a 4 year, $48M deal and only counts $6M against the cap this year. But in the spirit of bashing Snyder, I'm quite sure you'll continue to ignore that facts. Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith were failures and didn't produce a Super Bowl, so that means every subsequent signing will also be failures.

[DEHog]

And further, you've yet to offer any specific names from the masses and masses of free agents available that would fill our needs and fit our system

I keep seeing this question being asked and it really not as simple as who would you get…My problem with how we currently do business and the question I keep asking is who have the Redskins drafted, developed and resigned in the last 10 year that has been of Pro Bowl caliber?? Samuels, ey?? The one guy the one player that we hit on was Sean Taylor…would we have been able to resign him??
The draft is difficult at best and the margin for finding a multiple year starter of pro bowl caliber for your team is slim. And yet we continue to trade picks away making that margin even slimmer…Wouldn’t it be nice to have players playing for us during their most productive years while playing for a contract instead of signing other teams player who have gotten the best out of them.
Example…It’s possible Tennessee got the best years from Haynesworth but we are paying the premium…I really wouldn’t have a problem with that had we’d been the one that drafted him. And how does a contract like Haynesworth’s (coming from another team) play in the locker room??
So to answer your question…We shouldn’t still be looking for FA and we wouldn’t still be looking for FA if we had a system of drafting and developing our own picks…Then the AH signing would just be a nice complimentary pick up.

[redskins14ru]

PEOPLE WILL DIE!

-Or-

It's just a game?

No, people will not die. The franchise will keep on suffering, the Front Office will be the laughinstock of the NFL, the fans will increase their frustration. The good coaches will not want to coach this team. The reputation of this team as a cash cow will continue. No, you are right, nobody will die. It is called a metaphore.

who ever else wanted and could not get haynesworth this Off season may have been in a so called war for the most high priced free agent avaliable. or he may just be a bust and would have sucked any where. Point being what did get ol albert the best FA avaliable tag his perfect situation that meets his abilities and athletic talents allowing him to be thought of as the most enourmos Free Agent in the history of all defensive players, so that when removed from the defense he bacame so succesful in, that he's a bust, that would be quite a bit of wool to pull over everyones eyes. Bottom line if hayneworth turns into dion or any of the others I for one will blame haynesworth or the defense or maybe even ask coach blache what had happened but to let these proven athletes walk only because I could blame snyder would be obsurd. The Skins need to sign a decent end for the left side and a LB to make plays and be responsible for things not great plays but enough to get hynesworth some room .
That leaves the obvious whos the bust and what the problem..... and thats easy it is the money for one guy "haynesworth" I am very glad he is here and I can not complain.

As for the offense it will be the recievers and thomas has got to get it done they seem to be suring up the line and it is good to see that malcom and thomas will be there I will not say they are all pro but if the QBs that are drafted can sit and learn for a year then why not let the recievers, of coarse we all wanted them more last year and why not let the rooks play, then again let DAVIS and both rookie wide out sit some and learn zorns system and who here does no what zorn is going to come back with he has his o line and I have seen trickier men coach,
Rest assured the defense is not dropping its top five status and if anything jumped up in the turn over column.

the overall revenue or profit fro the team or the teams worth is huge and we as fans all get sick of watching them loose,
winning isn't everything it is the only thing
I again mainly want to see a full season of quality football and for the block that seems to be stopping the skins from making to the next level get crushed this seems like it is turning into a great bunch of guys and will make a great team, and they will be out there to prove somethings to the fans the luege and mainly themselves. LET THE BUILDING CONTINUE i WILL NOT STAND IN THE WAY.... [/b]

[redskins14ru]

There is no reason to be instantly negative about this latest round of pickups.

It is not about the value of INDIVIDUAL players signed per se. It is about the fact that the emphasis is on highly paid INDIVIDUALS as opposed to a view to improve the overall level of the Team with Depth.

Last year we had some DE's This year we are short. Last year we had very poor DT effort. Now we are good provided that no injuries occur. There is no PLAN other than individual high-priced acquisitions.

You see, that's the ignorance and short-sightedness their talking about with you. You keep asserting that these few contracts will limit our ability to sign depth, which is a complete fabrication. Even with these contracts, they're still almost $10M under the cap. And further, you've yet to offer any specific names from the masses and masses of free agents available that would fill our needs and fit our system. (...and please say Canty, please.)

The offseason isn't over yet, RiC, yet you act like they're done and can't afford to do anything else. Yeah, I agree, we are short at DE right now. I have to assume you forgot about the draft and are ignoring the fact that they still have money to sign depth or even a few starters. There's still free agents being brought in and there's still the draft in April. So this BS notion that they can't afford to sign anyone is laughable. Did you actually read Bernie's article? Or are you just pulling this stuff, a la Jason La Confora style?

99.999% of Skins fans were in favor of keeping Hall. We signed him for the vet-minimum last year and he deserved a new contract. Getting Dockery was a pleasant surprise and his deal is essentially a 3 year, $13M contract. And as Bernie showed you, Haynesworth deal is essentially a 4 year, $48M deal and only counts $6M against the cap this year. But in the spirit of bashing Snyder, I'm quite sure you'll continue to ignore that facts. Deion Sanders and Bruce Smith were failures and didn't produce a Super Bowl, so that means every subsequent signing will also be failures.

IGNORANCE FAILURE AND GREED ......... BRAVO

[SkinsFreak]

So to answer your question…We shouldn’t still be looking for FA and we wouldn’t still be looking for FA if we had a system of drafting and developing our own picks…Then the AH signing would just be a nice complimentary pick up.

Yes, it's hard to hit on Pro Bowler's in every draft. But I do think they're grooming and developing their own guys. Betts, Montgomery, Golston, McIntosh, LANDRY, Rogers, Horton... etc. I also believe they'll be doing that with many of the picks from last year. I absolutely agree with you regarding the trading away of picks, but you have to acknowledge that much of that was directed by Gibbs, as he's always preferred veterans. But I do believe they now recognize the necessity of drafting players and developing them.

My point was that signing depth is certainly advantageous, but if the free agent class is weak, much like last year, then endlessly expressing that point must encompass who, why and how. For example, the o-line free agent class is fairly weak, so we can say we need depth there, but who then should be taken? Just saying we should avoid AH and his contract in favor of signing o-line depth is only half the story. And further, as 1niksder pointed out, AH's contract is NOT preventing us from signing players.