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PulpExposure wrote:We couldn't run at all with Heyer at RT.

Jansen can't passblock.

Too bad we can't put them in a Blend-O-Matic and make 1 real RT.

I completely forgot that we couldn't run the ball with Heyer... I've tried to banish memories of 2008 from my mind.

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Was Heyer the starter on the right side during the second half of the season, or was it Jansen? If my memory serves me, it was Jansen. Heyer got promoted by Zorn and Buges over Jansen earlier in the season but was sidelined by an injury. I believe Jansen played the rest of the season if I'm not mistaken. The o-line actually played better in the first half of the season when Heyer was playing, but slipped quite a bit in the second half of the season when Jansen was playing.

We couldn't run at all with Heyer at RT.

Jansen can't passblock.

Too bad we can't put them in a Blend-O-Matic and make 1 real RT.

I think heyer can be taught to run block. This will be his third year under Buges, and if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

I think heyer can be taught to run block. This will be his third year under Buges, and if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

I'd suggest that if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. 3 years with the King of O-line coaches is plenty of time to pick up run blocking scheme and technique. Technically, run blocking is much easier than pass blocking. There is a physical skill/ability that's lacking that he isn't likely to pick up at this point.



CLL said...

I completely forgot that we couldn't run the ball with Heyer

So, did you think I was down on him just for the heck of it? I would love for him to prove me wrong. I badly wanted him to be the next Joe Jacoby. I think he's a fabulous story, and a great young man... but, I don't think he has it. If he did, we'd know by now.

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I think heyer can be taught to run block. This will be his third year under Buges, and if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

I'd suggest that if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. 3 years with the King of O-line coaches is plenty of time to pick up run blocking scheme and technique. Technically, run blocking is much easier than pass blocking. There is a physical skill/ability that's lacking that he isn't likely to pick up at this point.

He's only had two; this will be his third. That's why I said this year should be make or break for him.

Not sure how anyone can decide an answer to the Poll question until the 12 teams in front of us have drafted. I mean, how can you say, in Feb or March, what you would do with the #13 pick? Who's on the board at #13 to make this decision about? We don't know.

In 2007, the Rams took Adam Carriker #13. Would you have passed on Patrick Willis (#11) or Marshawn Lynch (#12) if they had fallen to you at #13? So how could you have said in March that you would draft a DE? Kind of silly don't ya think?

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:Trade #13 for (hopefully) multiple picks and put the responsibility on the Scouting Dept. to find some late round talent.

Ummmm....on second thought, let's trade the pick for an established player in a favorable contract situation (favorable for the Skins that is). Our scouting dept. is deficient at best, incompetent at worst. 8 picks and the only contribution we got was from our 7th round draft pick who is a great run stuffer and can catch balls thrown directly at him, but is terrible in coverage...almost Archuleta-esque. We have to get better production from our scouting dept.

That's not even right putting AA in the same category as Horton. Horton did ahelluvalot better all around than AA. Being negative just to be negative...

Deadskins wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

Deadskins wrote:I think heyer can be taught to run block. This will be his third year under Buges, and if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

I'd suggest that if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. 3 years with the King of O-line coaches is plenty of time to pick up run blocking scheme and technique. Technically, run blocking is much easier than pass blocking. There is a physical skill/ability that's lacking that he isn't likely to pick up at this point.

He's only had two; this will be his third. That's why I said this year should be make or break for him.

He's not likely to suddenly get it, and we can't afford to wait to find out. The draft is just over a month away. As much as I want to see us spend the pick on one more devastating piece for the defense, I just don't see it going anywhere but O-line.

Countertrey wrote:As much as I want to see us spend the pick on one more devastating piece for the defense, I just don't see it going anywhere but O-line.

I totally agree. I was just arguing for argument's sake.

Countertrey wrote:

I think heyer can be taught to run block. This will be his third year under Buges, and if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

I'd suggest that if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. 3 years with the King of O-line coaches is plenty of time to pick up run blocking scheme and technique. Technically, run blocking is much easier than pass blocking. There is a physical skill/ability that's lacking that he isn't likely to pick up at this point.

Some Tackles have the power to run block, but lack the agility to pass block. Heyer lacks both. People that think Heyer did well last year must have been watching different games than I did. Or perhaps people forgot what good pass blocking is due to watching this team too long. Of course, Samuels is the exception. Unless Simeon Rice is playing.

brad7686 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

I think heyer can be taught to run block. This will be his third year under Buges, and if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

I'd suggest that if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. 3 years with the King of O-line coaches is plenty of time to pick up run blocking scheme and technique. Technically, run blocking is much easier than pass blocking. There is a physical skill/ability that's lacking that he isn't likely to pick up at this point.

Some Tackles have the power to run block, but lack the agility to pass block. Heyer lacks both. People that think Heyer did well last year must have been watching different games than I did. Or perhaps people forgot what good pass blocking is due to watching this team too long. Of course, Samuels is the exception. Unless Simeon Rice is playing.

It's not fair to try to disqualify someone with someone like Simeon Rice.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

I think heyer can be taught to run block. This will be his third year under Buges, and if he doesn't get it by now, he never will.

I'd suggest that if he hasn't gotten it by now, he never will. 3 years with the King of O-line coaches is plenty of time to pick up run blocking scheme and technique. Technically, run blocking is much easier than pass blocking. There is a physical skill/ability that's lacking that he isn't likely to pick up at this point.

Some Tackles have the power to run block, but lack the agility to pass block. Heyer lacks both. People that think Heyer did well last year must have been watching different games than I did. Or perhaps people forgot what good pass blocking is due to watching this team too long. Of course, Samuels is the exception. Unless Simeon Rice is playing.

It's not fair to try to disqualify someone with someone like Simeon Rice.

I wasn't, just saying that Samuels is dominant against some of the top pass rushers in the game. Just not Simeon Rice. But he's washed up now anyway.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:We couldn't run at all with Heyer at RT.

Jansen can't passblock.

Too bad we can't put them in a Blend-O-Matic and make 1 real RT.

I completely forgot that we couldn't run the ball with Heyer... I've tried to banish memories of 2008 from my mind.

replace jansen and thomas

Not gonna read 4 pages of post. A little late to the party but I have felt that we need too many things than just one. We can do things with the current roster but if one or two guys get hurt, we are screwed but I think more than anything, we need depth and trading back for a few picks could possibly help this team. Being that the draft is deep at both sides of the lines we could be in place to either add immediate starter/starters or one back-up/one starter/2 back ups.

Eitherway, we can't loose. We only got in a bad place when we got hurt and didn't have anyone to come in to replace our starters. My thinking is, trade back for a few 2nds or thirds, whatever but its got to be first day guys. Lets make it happen Zorn.

Greg Blache talking about Haynesworth wrote:“Right now, I have an idea and a concept of what it will be, but when the draft is done, we will have all the pieces in place. You will know exactly where you want to go with it. At this time, we realize that we have something that we haven’t had before.

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Is a comment like that coming from the defensive coordinator telling about what they might do in the draft?

SkinsFreak wrote:

Greg Blache talking about Haynesworth wrote:“Right now, I have an idea and a concept of what it will be, but when the draft is done, we will have all the pieces in place. You will know exactly where you want to go with it. At this time, we realize that we have something that we haven’t had before.

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Is a comment like that coming from the defensive coordinator telling about what they might do in the draft?

Couple that with releasing Taylor, and I think you start to get a picture. I don't think the "workout" clause was about "working out", but about reconfiguring Taylor's role... and when he wouldn't show, it was time to fish or cut bait. One has to wonder who will fill the role they envisioned for Taylor... This adds a dynamic about what to do with 13.

Yeah, the draft will be interesting. I wouldnt be shocked if the Skins are tossing out misinformation to throw times off about our plans. Maybe they really do like Rhinehart and might pick a defensive player at 13.

Interesting.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Yeah, the draft will be interesting. I wouldnt be shocked if the Skins are tossing out misinformation to throw times off about our plans. Maybe they really do like Rhinehart and might pick a defensive player at 13.

Interesting.

I agree with you, Chris.

First, what do we hear all the time around here? Develop our own, develop our young guys, right?

The only report claiming the Redskins were down on Rinehart came from JLC. Enough said, as JLC exaggerates everything in the spirit of bashing the team. Buges did say it took Rinehart a while to figure out what the NFL was all about, but Buges went on to say that the light finally came on when they activated him with 4-5 games left in the season and Buges said he expects a lot from him in 2009.

Chad was a 3rd round pick, therefore, the coaches better test the guy and Zorn even commented recently that they are going to give him a look this year, as they should. At the very least, he's gonna be good for depth. I don't know how many people know this, but Rinehart actually played tackle in college, so he's definitely versatile...

Chad Rinehart is a versatile lineman who can play both the guard and tackle positions. He was selected by the Washington Redskins in the third round (96th overall) of the 2008 NFL Draft on April 27, 2008. He appeared in 40 games with 37 starts at left tackle at Northern Iowa. Rinehart earned consensus All-American and unanimous All-Gateway Conference first-team selections in 2007. He was a semifinalist for the Draddy Award given to the nation’s top scholar athlete.

The FO certainly deserves criticism for trading away draft picks and previously signing past-their-prime, high-priced free agents. But they do deserve some credit for drafting and signing a few gems. Horton is the most recent example, but Heyer was a great signing in 2007.

Heyer was signed as an undrafted free agent and has been a pleasant surprise. Heyer became just one of two undrafted free agents to make the Redskins’ 2007 roster. He played in 12 regular season games with five stars in his rookie season. And don't forget, Heyer held perennial Pro Bowl defensive end Michael Strahan without a sack in a 22-10 win over the New York Giants (12/16).

Buges had this to say about Heyer...

Stephon Heyer started five games in 2007 and seven last year, alternating at left and right tackle. In his third year, the former University of Maryland lineman could have a chance to cement a starting job.

It was thought Heyer accomplished that last year, when he opened the season as the starter at right tackle, but a shoulder injury sidelined him until midseason.

“Stephon can be as good as he wants to be,” Bugel said. “Randy Thomas and Chris Samuels have taken him under their wing and really worked him hard. His offseasons are critical because he grew up so fast as a young man he outgrew his body.

“Hopefully he can go through a season without having injuries. That’s the thing he hasn’t been able to conquer. Hopefully the third year is the charm for him because he has a great amount of talent.”

My point is this... while I'm not suggesting Rinehart and Heyer will become elite players, I think they are worth developing. In two seasons, Heyer already has quite a bit of experience and Rinehart in next in line. I believe the Skins still need a high quality RT, and one may come in the draft, but Heyer and Rinehart are young offensive linemen looking at a solid future with the team. And again, at the very least, we have some solid 'young' guys for depth.