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PulpExposure wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

Kelly will most likely have to retire this year.

What...how can you make a statement like that??

He's had knee surgery how many times? lavar

According to Zorn at the combine, he's expected to be fine.

Zorn said Kelly underwent an arthroscopic knee procedure — which was less extensive than the team believed would be required — at the end of the season in an effort to be completely healthy for training camp. Kelly is expected to return in time for a portion of organized team activities.

brad7686 wrote:Yea he's being a baby. They wanted to trade him to the lions and replace him with a career backup. He's got no reason to be mad.

In all seriousness, he probably does have a little reason to be upset. Hearing the lions in a sentence is terrifying.

Sure, he has reason to be upset. But...he's a grown man, a professional. Trade rumors are part of the game. But the way he's reacting is like a baby. He's not returning calls from his team? It's the silent treatment, from a 25 year old man. That's what my 3 year old does when I discipline him.

I agree that Cutler is being unprofessional. I think they are both at fault really, which is why there is an impasse. As far as Kelly goes, its hard not to be cynical about the situation. Of course I want him to be healthy but it doesn't look promising. The team has struggled to identify those who will always be injured, such as springs, m. wash, daniels, griffin, etc.

I sort of reworked my post in there while you were responding.

But I just picked this little nugget up:

I heard one other interesting thing Sunday: Cutler asked for a trade shortly after the Broncos lost offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates -- Cutler's confidant -- to USC after the season. So maybe both sides need to go into marriage counseling here.

Lol. What a freaking whiny little baby.

PulpExposure wrote:I sort of reworked my post in there while you were responding.

But I just picked this little nugget up:

I heard one other interesting thing Sunday: Cutler asked for a trade shortly after the Broncos lost offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates -- Cutler's confidant -- to USC after the season. So maybe both sides need to go into marriage counseling here.

Lol. What a freaking whiny little baby.

Ha. Yea that's on him. He needs to realize he has Brandon Marshall on his team and shut up. I just wonder what the heck the broncs wanted with Cassel. I don't think they would trade for him to use him as a backup. I think they were going to trade Cutler to the lions for the no. 1 pick.

funbunch65 wrote:

num1skinsfan wrote:JC is going to be OK. We need to get him a big #2 wideout to keep drives alive. We have continuity with him and Clinton, we have addessed the OL, now we need a wideout... Moss is a great wideout, NOT a possesion receiver... need someone that will catch the 3rd & 8 and draw some attention away from Moss

Campbell is going to be ok.... definitely didn't base that comment on a year to year improvement.

Why not? JC has made an improvement, at least statistically, in each of his three seasons as starter. I don't know why you would claim otherwise.

Back on topic: I'd rather bring in Kurt Warner to be the backup, than trade for Cutler.

I'm ok with Jason Campbell. I think he'll improve in his second year under Zorn, especially if we get better on the offenseive line.

That said, I would trade our first round pick for Cutler in a second. He's still young, and I don't think there is much question that he's a franchise QB. Just MHO of course.

Kurt Warner doesn't seem eager to be a backup anywhere. Why would he after last season? And he's certainly not going to take backup money. Seems like kind of a moot point.

Deadskins wrote:

funbunch65 wrote:

num1skinsfan wrote:JC is going to be OK. We need to get him a big #2 wideout to keep drives alive. We have continuity with him and Clinton, we have addessed the OL, now we need a wideout... Moss is a great wideout, NOT a possesion receiver... need someone that will catch the 3rd & 8 and draw some attention away from Moss

Campbell is going to be ok.... definitely didn't base that comment on a year to year improvement.

Why not? JC has made an improvement, at least statistically, in each of his three seasons as starter. I don't know why you would claim otherwise.

Back on topic: I'd rather bring in Kurt Warner to be the backup, than trade for Cutler.

If Warner came here, he wouldn't be a back up.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

funbunch65 wrote:

num1skinsfan wrote:JC is going to be OK. We need to get him a big #2 wideout to keep drives alive. We have continuity with him and Clinton, we have addessed the OL, now we need a wideout... Moss is a great wideout, NOT a possesion receiver... need someone that will catch the 3rd & 8 and draw some attention away from Moss

Campbell is going to be ok.... definitely didn't base that comment on a year to year improvement.

Why not? JC has made an improvement, at least statistically, in each of his three seasons as starter. I don't know why you would claim otherwise.

Back on topic: I'd rather bring in Kurt Warner to be the backup, than trade for Cutler.

If Warner came here, he wouldn't be a back up.

If he wins the job, then so be it.

riggofan wrote:I'm ok with Jason Campbell. I think he'll improve in his second year under Zorn, especially if we get better on the offenseive line.

That said, I would trade our first round pick for Cutler in a second. He's still young, and I don't think there is much question that he's a franchise QB. Just MHO of course.

Kurt Warner doesn't seem eager to be a backup anywhere. Why would he after last season? And he's certainly not going to take backup money. Seems like kind of a moot point.

Well he hasn't gotten any offers yet, so if he wants to play, he will do it for whatever he is paid. And he went into Arizona as the backup, and won the starting job there. He might be up for the challenge.

Deadskins wrote:Well he hasn't gotten any offers yet, so if he wants to play, he will do it for whatever he is paid. And he went into Arizona as the backup, and won the starting job there. He might be up for the challenge.

Yeah I get your point but why would Warner take $8 million to be the backup QB in Washington (or anywhere else) when he can take $10 million to be the STARTING QB in Arizona?

The Cardinals will pay to bring him back. They just don't want to pay him the $15 million he is asking.

Deadskins wrote:

funbunch65 wrote:

num1skinsfan wrote:JC is going to be OK. We need to get him a big #2 wideout to keep drives alive. We have continuity with him and Clinton, we have addessed the OL, now we need a wideout... Moss is a great wideout, NOT a possesion receiver... need someone that will catch the 3rd & 8 and draw some attention away from Moss

Campbell is going to be ok.... definitely didn't base that comment on a year to year improvement.

Why not? JC has made an improvement, at least statistically, in each of his three seasons as starter. I don't know why you would claim otherwise.

Back on topic: I'd rather bring in Kurt Warner to be the backup, than trade for Cutler.

Oh my god, no way... you would have Kurt Warner as the backup to Campbell?!!! I would have to go with the man that led his team to the Super Bowl on three different occasions. You must really think Campbell is something else. I'm sorry, I would love to see us bring someone else in this year (not happening though). I haven't seen anything from Campbell in three years. This is a show me or move on league... time to move on. Let's get Cutler.

brad7686 wrote:
If you want to sit here and make an argument that Moss is as good as T.O.,

No, I wasn't trying to say Moss is better than TO I was just pointing out that TO drops more passes.

brad7686 wrote:I want you to tell me a time you saw Moss catch a pass he had to dive for or jump for. He also misjudges comeback routes so that he has to jump when they would hit him in the chest, if he knew where the ball was going.

Do you even watch the skins play? Of course I have seen
Moss have to dive or jump for pass and catch it.

The first one that comes to mind is the first of his two TD's agianst the Cowgirls in week 2 of 2005. That pass was so poorly thrown the deffender ran past it and Moss did have slide to catch it.

I could name countless others, but you wouldn't remember them, because I can tell by how you talk about Moss you really don't watch the Skins!

Gibbs on numerous occasions said that Moss was the best he had ever seen at adjusting to the ball in the air. Gibbs has been around quite a few extremely good WR. I tell you that because from what you have posted here it seam you have only watched a few game the Skins played last year and hadn't heard of them before that.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

brad7686 wrote:
If you want to sit here and make an argument that Moss is as good as T.O.,

No, I wasn't trying to say Moss is better than TO I was just pointing out that TO drops more passes.

brad7686 wrote:I want you to tell me a time you saw Moss catch a pass he had to dive for or jump for. He also misjudges comeback routes so that he has to jump when they would hit him in the chest, if he knew where the ball was going.

Do you even watch the skins play? Of course I have seen
Moss have to dive or jump for pass and catch it.

The first one that comes to mind is the first of his two TD's agianst the Cowgirls in week 2 of 2005. That pass was so poorly thrown the deffender ran past it and Moss did have slide to catch it.

I could name countless others, but you wouldn't remember them, because I can tell by how you talk about Moss you really don't watch the Skins!

Gibbs on numerous occasions said that Moss was the best he had ever seen at adjusting to the ball in the air. Gibbs has been around quite a few extremely good WR. I tell you that because from what you have posted here it seam you have only watched a few game the Skins played last year and hadn't heard of them before that.

No, I have watched the skins for a good while now. I don't think he's good at adjusting to the ball, maybe he's not terrible. I have noticed over the years that Gibbs is a complimentary person. Moss definitely doesn't make a lot of tough catches, a lot of which may have to do with his size, which you can't blame him for. If you have a WR like that, you can't surround him with other small receivers. The people who don't watch the Redskins are the people that come on here and claim Moss doesn't drop a lot of passes. Thats bull. He drops a ton of passes. And drops stats won't cover all of them, because a lot of the missed passes aren't drops, theyre just catches a good WR SHOULD make that he doesn't. The same can be said for Randle El, and even ey last year dropped more than usual.

Deadskins wrote:

funbunch65 wrote:

num1skinsfan wrote:JC is going to be OK. We need to get him a big #2 wideout to keep drives alive. We have continuity with him and Clinton, we have addessed the OL, now we need a wideout... Moss is a great wideout, NOT a possesion receiver... need someone that will catch the 3rd & 8 and draw some attention away from Moss

Campbell is going to be ok.... definitely didn't base that comment on a year to year improvement.

Why not? JC has made an improvement, at least statistically, in each of his three seasons as starter. I don't know why you would claim otherwise.

Back on topic: I'd rather bring in Kurt Warner to be the backup, than trade for Cutler.

He made slight improvements in some statistical categories. However, that improvement is negligible and he needs to take a significant step forward to deserve to be here past this upcoming season. Two rookies performed better than JC last season. At this point he is nothing more than a mediocre NFL qb.

I personally think the world of Jay Cutler... and it would be pretty interesting to try and trade Jason Campbell for him somehow.

Jay Cutler is being a big baby right now, but if his situation with the Broncos is so bad that they need to deal him, why not to us? We have a QB they might be able to use and they have a QB who might be a better fit.

The Lions and Vikings are the only ones expressing interest right now for Cutler, but they lack a replacement QB. It's interesting to think about what might go down if Cutler becomes a distraction and Marshall is suspended.

Apparently he is not on the trade block. Maybe the Broncos stopped doing drugs.

Skinsfan55 wrote:I personally think the world of Jay Cutler... and it would be pretty interesting to try and trade Jason Campbell for him somehow.

Jay Cutler is being a big baby right now, but if his situation with the Broncos is so bad that they need to deal him, why not to us? We have a QB they might be able to use and they have a QB who might be a better fit.

The Lions and Vikings are the only ones expressing interest right now for Cutler, but they lack a replacement QB. It's interesting to think about what might go down if Cutler becomes a distraction and Marshall is suspended.

At least Cutler is hot and cold... not cool and warm.

i dont think qb is our biggest problem. Its problem in two fold. You can have Peyton passing for us but if you don't have blockers then it doesnt matter. Second we need a reliable 1-2 punch at reciever. Randle El isn't it and Moss is always a hit and miss. Jason is junk in my eyes yes but Cutler can't help now.

prinzeofmoval wrote:i dont think qb is our biggest problem. Its problem in two fold. You can have Peyton passing for us but if you don't have blockers then it doesnt matter. Second we need a reliable 1-2 punch at reciever. Randle El isn't it and Moss is always a hit and miss. Jason is junk in my eyes yes but Cutler can't help now.

Cutler could definitely help now. He would make a world of difference with this football team. I know our line has issues, but some of that liability goes to the quarterback. The QB has to be able to recognize the blitz and make the correct check down or change the play. Campbell was totally inept at doing this and had to burn time outs all the time. Then he gave Zorn his signature I'm an idiot look(I was cursing at the t.v. every time I saw this). Anyway, I believe Cutler has more talent and more instincts as a quarterback than Campbell. So much so that I guarantee we would see a tremendous difference right away.