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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Statistics would beg to differ.

*smackforum* your statistics. Wins beg to differ. I watch him play every week, he's better than Jason. Get over it.

True that. "Better statistics" does not always mean "better player."

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Statistics would beg to differ.

*smackforum* your statistics. Wins beg to differ. I watch him play every week, he's better than Jason. Get over it.

Eh, I know Ravens fans -- knowledgeable fans -- who would point out that Flacco still has a ways to go as a QB. He made a handful of throws in that Titans game that could very easily have proven to be disastrous for his team. I like what I have seen of him thus far but you can't make a legitimate assessment of him at this point. One season does not a QB make.

Fios wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Statistics would beg to differ.

*smackforum* your statistics. Wins beg to differ. I watch him play every week, he's better than Jason. Get over it.

Eh, I know Ravens fans -- knowledgeable fans -- who would point out that Flacco still has a ways to go as a QB. He made a handful of throws in that Titans game that could very easily have proven to be disastrous for his team. I like what I have seen of him thus far but you can't make a legitimate assessment of him at this point. One season does not a QB make.

100% true. The fact that he has a ways to go is even more exciting for them. I disagree that you can't get a firm assesment of him at this point. He, just as we hope Jason will, get better next season building off of this previous seasons knowledge. Flacco has exactly 1 reliable QB and I'm sure the Ravens will make a push to get a legit star WR in the offseason.

I don't really disagree with anything that you've said but I do think he's in a different league than Jason. The fact that it's even debateable is crazy. I'm not saying Jason is a bad QB but between the questionable mechanics and the constant change here, things are working in his favor.

Don't forget the Shannahan Portis connection. This year we kept the running game Gibbs had left us, and it worked, Zorn's passing game never materialized, I feel like we could bring in Shannanhan and put zorn back at OC where he was originally hired, and while JZ continues to work on the pass game, Shannahan can revamp the run game. I can't think of a better run system than Denver's over the past decade.

Please don't turn this thread into Campbell v Flacco..one is still playing nuf said. This is about Shannahan.

Zorn needs something to take some pressure off of him. I like him as a head coach, but why burden someone that much that hasn't even been a coordinator? He needs someone else to help him out on offense. The offense can use all the help they can get.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Statistics would beg to differ.

*smackforum* your statistics. Wins beg to differ. I watch him play every week, he's better than Jason. Get over it.

I don't have anything to get over, because I don't care. I'm just saying that stats don't lie. Stats hold more water than opinion. Because, well, opinions are like *smackforum* , everybody has one.

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Statistics would beg to differ.

*smackforum* your statistics. Wins beg to differ. I watch him play every week, he's better than Jason. Get over it.

I don't have anything to get over, because I don't care. I'm just saying that stats don't lie. Stats hold more water than opinion. Because, well, opinions are like *smackforum* , everybody has one.

Ok fine, Jason is better than a rookie QB who is in a divisional game. Yes, we have a glorious future HOF'er sitting at home, that doesn't know if his contract will be extended and doesn't have the balls to throw the ball downfield. Yes, Jason is better than a rookie.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

brad7686 wrote:Statistics would beg to differ.

*smackforum* your statistics. Wins beg to differ. I watch him play every week, he's better than Jason. Get over it.

I don't have anything to get over, because I don't care. I'm just saying that stats don't lie. Stats hold more water than opinion. Because, well, opinions are like *smackforum* , everybody has one.

Ok fine, Jason is better than a rookie QB who is in a divisional game.

CLL don't start that whole line of argument. You as well as I know that the best QB isn't necessarily the one with the winning record, or the one with the team in the divisionals. I mean, to be stark about it...Flacco must be better than Peyton Manning, because Manning is sitting at home, right?

Though the rest of your argument is fine. I'd much rather have Flacco at this point than Campbell. We hope Campbell can develop more. We're all pretty sure Flacco will develop more.

OFF TOPIC, PULP YOU ARE STAFF YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER

I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN THOUGHTS ON SNYDER-SHANAHAN MEETING WHICH IS THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD

GO START A CAMPBELL V FLACCO THREAD

Gibbs4Life wrote:OFF TOPIC, PULP YOU ARE STAFF YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER

I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN THOUGHTS ON SNYDER-SHANAHAN MEETING WHICH IS THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD

GO START A CAMPBELL V FLACCO THREAD

... it's this week's temper tantrum post

They're not my rules, but when I break one I'm threatened with a ban.

Gibbs4Life wrote:OFF TOPIC, PULP YOU ARE STAFF YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER

I'M ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN THOUGHTS ON SNYDER-SHANAHAN MEETING WHICH IS THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD

GO START A CAMPBELL V FLACCO THREAD

Oooh! All Caps!

That being said, apologies for going off topic. We can go back to talking about something reported in a blog we've never seen before, and never confirmed by any other source. Which is weird, because it'd be big news.

Because you know if you read it on the internet, it must be true.

Eh, I know Ravens fans -- knowledgeable fans -- who would point out that Flacco still has a ways to go as a QB. He made a handful of throws in that Titans game that could very easily have proven to be disastrous for his team. I like what I have seen of him thus far but you can't make a legitimate assessment of him at this point. One season does not a QB make.[/quote]

And apparently 4 seasons with Jason Campbell does not a QB make either.

Any news on this? or just what was posted on someones blog?

Countertrey wrote:I would, additionally, point out that the Ravens once won a Superbowl with no quarterback... Flacco is head and shoulders above what they had then...

Sadly, Dilfer was heads and shoulders about Tony Banks that year. Heh.

PulpExposure wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I would, additionally, point out that the Ravens once won a Superbowl with no quarterback... Flacco is head and shoulders above what they had then...

Sadly, Dilfer was heads and shoulders about Tony Banks that year. Heh.

You ever have one of those moments? I just deleted my own post by accident. The difference is, Dilfer was in a position to ride on the shoulders of one of the best defenses ever to play the game. That was one awesome defense (yes, I detest having to admit that)

Part of me wants it to be true, I think Shanahan is a great coach and would be great for Portis (our best player). Zorn is having off-season meetings which I suppose is confirmation he will be staying after all if the axe was coming it would've most likely come already. JZ deserves 2 yrs but Shanahan is a HOF coach and I think for those you have to make exceptions.

PulpExposure wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I would, additionally, point out that the Ravens once won a Superbowl with no quarterback... Flacco is head and shoulders above what they had then...

Sadly, Dilfer was heads and shoulders about Tony Banks that year. Heh.

I will always remember Tony Banks fondly for that Denver game. . .a gripping comeback in the rain. Oh wait. . .that was Kent Graham. Never mind!

That was also one of the only great games Michael Westbrook ever played for us. But I digress. . .

Gibbs4Life wrote:I feel like we could bring in Shannanhan and put zorn back at OC where he was originally hired.

I feel like we should not.

If this rumour has any credibility, it would mean that Shanahan may have been asked what his plans were for the future and if anybody wished to speculate -even- further depending on the answer perhaps explore his chances as an OC.

Zorn is secure ... for now.

I would think that Shanahan's next role with an NFL team would be a coach-only type of deal.

The days of the uber-coach (one who is in charge of All Things Football) are over. It's just too big a job for one guy.

So Zorn takes a demotion after being HC 1 year? I surely wouldn't take that deal. It's a slap in the face if you bring Shanahan in for HC and drop Zorn back to OC.

First of all - as stupid as Snyder is (and Cerrato has less credibility) Zorn will be the HC here this year - that really is not worth elaborating on and nobody really thinks there is any chance of that not being the case - IF you are considering that, then you have no credibility either

So, that being said - IF Syder did meet with Shanahan it would have to do with something else - now THAT is worth exploring - because IF Snyder (or his idiot buddy) bring in anyone connected with on the field activities it would have to be done with Zorn's approval. At least you would hope so

I agree with RiC and others that Zorn's job is safe for now and he was always going to be given more than a year - Snyder picked him - Snyder is not going to give any of the idiots in the media any more fuel than he already does by just being the owner of this franchise

The fact that we're even in position to have this discussion is just maddening. The HC hiring process, how they settled on Zorn, the downward spiral after starting 6-2, the last 2 games supposedly saving Zorns tail, this meeting with Shanahan.... It's crazy.

I don't get it..................................this rumor isn't even a rumor there making front of us.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The fact that we're even in position to have this discussion is just maddening. The HC hiring process, how they settled on Zorn, the downward spiral after starting 6-2, the last 2 games supposedly saving Zorns tail, this meeting with Shanahan.... It's crazy.

What meeting with Shanahan? This "blog" is the only reference to a meeting with Shanahan. It's not been reported anywhere else as far as I can tell.