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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:07 pm
by Countertrey
Skinsfan55 wrote:It is nonsense to trash talk Pete Kendall like this, he was one of the best linemen on the team last season and he's being seriously considered for another year.
What team were you watching?
True. The Left side played consistently well. An upgrade at RT will dramatically improve line play. I would agree, though, that Kendall is likely to start breaking down soon. That eventuality must be dealt with.
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:30 pm
by Trample the Elderly
Californiaskin wrote:I think Karlos Dansby Free Agent.....then start rebuliding oline at 13..........our oline is way bad....Jansons weak and Heyers not much better..... both are better than Pete Kendall.....our line has gotten weaker since Dockery left for sure.......We should cut pete
How much do you think Karlos Dansby would go for? Pete Kendall is better that Janson.
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:12 pm
by tribeofjudah
skinsfan#33 wrote:tribeofjudah wrote:My thoughts exactly....we don't need LBs. Maybe on the Dline, but more likely on the Oline.
Whoa, slow down. The Skins could use one maybe even two OLB, just not a MLB. If they can get a pass rushing OLB then great. The OL is the biggesrt need, followed by a pass rusher, I would prefer that guy be a DL, but a Shawn Merrimam type OLB would fill the bill too.
Lets face it Marcus didn't play well at all last year and Rock was benched near the end. So we need at least one stud OLB.
We're talking about pick #13 overall...... you want to go with an LB? There will be plenty LBs later in the draft. You gotta pick high and take a BIG MAN IN THE MIDDLE on the Dline or some GREAT player on the Oline.
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:56 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Pete Kendall is done. D. O. N. E.
Randy Thomas is done D. O. N. E.
Jansen D. O. N. E.
Rabach D. O. N. E.
This is the reality people, far too many years have passed where powers that be have seen our team as a WIN NOW roster without a need to build for the future and nowhere is it more evident than on the OL.
The priority this offseason must be our Lines. That's where it should always start but this year it is Code Red.
Furthermore, are we not the Washington Redskins? For crying out loud, what is the heritage? The Hogs. What's the legacy? Big Dominant Oline, crushing ground attack. This past season was painful and embarrassing. To go 6-2 and finish 8-8 is a failure of leadership, talent, management, everything, and it seems no one is accountable to the fans, the kids who cry themselves to sleep after a loss, or in my case the $100 cash lost to a jerk steelers fan because my team couldn't show any fight ON MNF.
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:06 pm
by Californiaskin
ya check the game tape against the 9rs..........kendall getting blown up all day....consistantly pushed back into Jason
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:26 pm
by Californiaskin
AND......lets face it our oline is a joke........2 times on the goal line against the Bengals and we cant get sellars in?!?!?!
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:39 pm
by skinsfan#33
tribeofjudah wrote:skinsfan#33 wrote:tribeofjudah wrote:My thoughts exactly....we don't need LBs. Maybe on the Dline, but more likely on the Oline.
Whoa, slow down. The Skins could use one maybe even two OLB, just not a MLB. If they can get a pass rushing OLB then great. The OL is the biggesrt need, followed by a pass rusher, I would prefer that guy be a DL, but a Shawn Merrimam type OLB would fill the bill too.
Lets face it Marcus didn't play well at all last year and Rock was benched near the end. So we need at least one stud OLB.
We're talking about pick #13 overall...... you want to go with an LB? There will be plenty LBs later in the draft. You gotta pick high and take a BIG MAN IN THE MIDDLE on the Dline or some GREAT player on the Oline.
Not saying I WANT them to go with a OLB in the first round , just that they need one (or two) starting OLBs! The team needs OL help the most and a pass rusher second most. If a OLB is there that can get you ten plus sacks on a regualer basis, then you take him.
My preference would be to Sign a RT as a FA, maybe get Bart Scott from the Crows, and then either trade down and get a OG or take the best DL available if you can't trade down.
But hey that would be drafting for need and Vinny C said he doesn't draft for need. So maybe we'll take a CB, WR, TE, or QB at that spot. Never mind the fact that we trully do need a WR and QB, but just not as bad as OT, OG, pass rusher (DT or OLB, OLB and DL. I only say that because any QB or WR would get "red shirted" his first year with the Skins.
You can NEVER draft too many lineman.
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:47 pm
by skinsfan#33
Skinsfan55 wrote:It is nonsense to trash talk Pete Kendall like this, he was one of the best linemen on the team last season and he's being seriously considered for another year.
What team were you watching?
I agree, he was like our third or fourth best OL. Once they figured out he CAN"T pull anymore and stopped asking him to do it (boy was it PAINFUL!!!! having to watch him pull last year) he played almost as well as Raybach and Thomas. He clearly only played better than whomever happened to be playing RT at the time.
Look Kendal is not bad, he is just severely physically limited. There are things that OG s are asked to do the he simply can't do any more. But if he doesn't have to do one of those things, then he plays pretty well.
It is just too bad he catches better than Carlos Rogers!
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:54 pm
by skinsfan#33
Californiaskin wrote:AND......lets face it our oline is a joke........2 times on the goal line against the Bengals and we cant get sellars in?!?!?!
He got it in closer than Mike Alstot did on that 2 point convertion back in 05. I watched the replay of the first run Sellers had and I couldn't tell you for certain if he got in or not, but what I can tell you is the play was called a TD and there was no way any human saw conclusive evidence with the views the show on TV to say he didn't get in.
I no one thing, he was closer to the endzone than Rothlistberger was in the SB against the CHawks!
Buy the way, I still think Sellers got in on his second run. Both on his first surge and when he extended the ball.
But we do need OL, that is our biggest area of need!
Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:56 pm
by ChocolateMilk
we definently need a DT or RT... but i really wouldnt be that upset if we drafted Lauranitus
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:48 am
by Gibbs4Life
Our last draft gives me no confidence. I watched all the highlight videos of devin and fred and malcom, hyping them in my head, and when it was time to fly, the didn't even get on the runway.
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:58 am
by ldbrown
In FA there are good DT ( Tank Johnson UFA and Fred Evans RFA) both are young and hungry. Chris Canty is a big DE that could play right away. Also there is some talent at LB in FA. If we were to get a DT and LB in FA that could change how we use the 13# pick in the draft. That pick if used the right way could get us a first and second round pick because at 13 there will a team who will switch first round and give a second to get there needed player. If that was to happen then in the first two rounds we could go OT and OG. Two players that could start. LB in the third. Even if the trade was 13# pick for a second and a third same rules would work more room under the cap. The point is to get two of the top 10 players at there postion that fit our scheme.
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:00 am
by Warmother
My first choice would be to trade #13 for a pick in the 20's along with a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd. Then select an offensive or defensive lineman with our 1st round pick.
DT B.J. Raji or OG Duke Robinson might be available and with the extra 2nd or 3rd we could address some of the other needs we have.
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:53 am
by USAFSkinFan
I sure hope that if the big 4 Offensive Tackles go before we pick, we don't take a Tackle... that would be a tough pill to swallow, getting the 5th best player at a position with the 13th pick... hopefully in that case, we would go D-line and get more value... then address O-line with the next pick...
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:16 pm
by riggofan
Warmother wrote:My first choice would be to trade #13 for a pick in the 20's along with a 3rd or maybe even a 2nd.
I think you'll probably get your wish. It will suck to trade away that #13 pick, but we only have four picks in the entire draft. Maybe Parcells will give us back those Jason Taylor picks he mugged us for and move up to 13.
Boy, that will feel great, won't it?
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:34 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Maybe Parcells will give us back those Jason Taylor picks he mugged us for and move up to 13.
Boy, that will feel great, won't it?
I'm inclined to pick #13 and take the hit on not having more picks. I don't think Vinny feels the same however, he thinks he can get value through his far superior scouting example Devin Malcom & Fred.
The only good thing about our draft situation is the fact we could get the 13th best player in the country, but we are going to find a way to screw that up, so I'm stoked.
Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:02 pm
by HanburgerHelper
BurgundyandGoldfaith wrote:Trade back for picks and take Phil LoadHolt and a massive guard(350ish) and a late linebacker(this draft is deep in LB)
I like this kind of thinking. We have too many holes to fill and no one jumps off the board at me by what #13? We ought to trade down. If we can deal a vet or two for some picks, let's do that. This team needs to get young in a hurry, especially at OL, DL, and CB. And, IMHO, we still need QB of the future.
Brandon Spikes is much better than James Lairinitis and I can at least spell his name.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:19 am
by SkinsFreak
Redskins.com wrote: Zorn Updates Redskins' Roster Meetings
Head coach Jim Zorn continues to huddle with coaches and personnel officials this week as the team evaluates the roster following an 8-8 season.
Zorn took time out for an interview with Larry Michael on “Redskins Nation,” broadcast locally on Comcast SportsNet.
The full interview will air this Friday on "Redskins Nation" and will be replayed on Monday and Tuesday next week.
Zorn discussed his thoughts on the Redskins’ offensive and defensive lines, but emphasized the evaluation was still in the early stages.
“We have a solid offensive line, but we’re always looking to build,” he said. “Guys do get injured, so when you have to put a new guy in, you would love to have him come in and have it be seamless.”
He indicated that offensive line could be a position the Redskins address this offseason.
If the Redskins spend a high draft pick on an offensive lineman this year, then they would expect that player to contribute right away, Zorn said.
“You would want him to step in and be the guy,” he said.
The Redskins have the 13th overall pick in the NFL Draft this April.
Regarding the defensive line, Zorn said he would like to see Greg Blache’s unit generate a stronger pass rush in 2009.
Washington had 24 sacks last season, tied for 28th in the league.
A stronger pass rush would force quarterbacks into mistakes, leading to more interceptions, Zorn said.
The Redskins had 13 interceptions last season, tied for 17th in the league.
“We’d love to put more pressure on QBs, because we really didn’t [get many interceptions],” Zorn said. “Those are the areas we could stand to improve on.
“But we still had the fourth-ranked defense in the league. Our guys played very well on defense despite the statistics.”
Zorn reiterated that the team plans to bring in competition at both kicker and punter this offseason.
Ryan Plackemeier finished near the bottom of the league with a 41.7-yard punting average.
He was able to improve down the stretch, however. In Week 16 against Philadelphia, he pinned five kicks inside the 20-yard line, helping the Redskins defeat the Eagles 10-3 at FedExField.
“I think Ryan has tremendous talent,” he said. “He didn’t fare well early, but [special teams coordinator] Danny Smith worked with him to improve his technique. He’ll have a whole offseason to continue that improvement as well.
“What Ryan needs to do is find a way to feel more confident and kick with more consistency so that he can go out, make all of the adjustments and put the ball where he wants to.”
Suisham connected on 26-of-36 on field goal attempts last season, but his field goal percentage was among the lowest in the league. After a strong start, he struggled late in the year.
“Shaun has tremendous talent, too,” Zorn said. “As a kicker goes, when he misses one he is trying to look for the rhythm problem. You can see how he needs to have a smooth rhythm and kicking the ball the same. Once we get his rhythm down, he’ll be using his natural talents to help win games for us."
Zorn also discussed Clinton Portis, who was certainly a vocal presence last season due to his weekly radio show on ESPN 980.
“I think our relationship is fine,” Zorn said of Portis. “I think he learned some things about me [last season], in that I’m going to be pretty consistent in the way I coach. And I think I learned some things about him.
“He comes to play, he gives it all, and he’s an exciting football player. He’s passionate about this football team and he’s passionate about the way he plays the game.
“I think we can work together along those lines--both of us working hard to get to the same goal, and that’s to win a championship and fulfill all the goals we have set for ourselves.”
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So it does sound like Zorn and the coaches recognize the need to upgrade the lines and kicking game. That's good to hear. A starting caliber RT and DT seem like obvious needs to be addressed this offseason and it appears that Zorn knows it. Good.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:17 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Rocky did good last year. Not gret, but good. He's got a potentially degenerative knee problem, not bad knees (yet). I'm not posting links, but it's easily found if you search McIntosh degenerative. I don't think replacing him is an immediate need. If Fincher doesn't work out, I can see drafting Washington's replacement, but I liked Fincher. Every player is not going to be HoF. I also agree Blades is next in line for MLB.
Someone made a point about OL vs DL and that is a valid point. OL is a lot more intricate and not as self reliant as DL. The biggest part of OL is knowing what the guy's doing next to you. ESPECIALLY on the blind side as in Samuels and Kendall. Don't be surprised if we see of Rhinehart.
DT & RT are our single position largest needs. I expect to see these two addressed (and no band aids like JT) by the time FA and the draft is complete.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:41 pm
by SkinsFreak
VetSkinsFan wrote:DT & RT are our single position largest needs. I expect to see these two addressed (and no band aids like JT) by the time FA and the draft is complete.
Agreed. And I also see LB as a position that will need to be addressed.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:12 pm
by funbunch65
I agree we need a DT, but I also think we need a DE just as bad. I would actually prefer that we take a DE with the 13th pick. There will be 3 OT's gone by the time we pick so we shouldn't reach on an OT. We should adress the Dline with the 13th pick if we stay put. If our front office is hellbent on taking an OT we should definately trade back a get a couple extra picks.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:14 pm
by Californiaskin
we should get Karlos Dansby in FA and then get ol or dl at 13.............blades and mcntosh suck...fletcher an washington ar old........fincher? are you kidding???? Dude could not make any other teams roster
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:33 am
by ChocolateMilk
Californiaskin wrote:we should get Karlos Dansby in FA and then get ol or dl at 13.............blades and mcntosh suck...fletcher an washington ar old........fincher? are you kidding???? Dude could not make any other teams roster
you just think every one has to be pro bowlers or they suck.. McIntosh and Blades may not be great, yet. Theyre young and have shown signs of at least being a solid starters on our team
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:35 am
by brad7686
Trading back is going to be a trickier proposition now that Bradford didn't enter the draft. Most of the time, teams make drastic trade-ups for qb's, and with Stafford and Sanchez both very possibly off the board, there will be no QB's worth taking with pick 13. I think someone would really have to fall in love with Jeremy Maclin or a O/D lineman in order to trade up, since the Qb's will very likely be gone. If one of them does however make it to 13, a trade back is very possible because desperation will start to kick in at that point.
Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:36 am
by brad7686
funbunch65 wrote:I agree we need a DT, but I also think we need a DE just as bad. I would actually prefer that we take a DE with the 13th pick. There will be 3 OT's gone by the time we pick so we shouldn't reach on an OT. We should adress the Dline with the 13th pick if we stay put. If our front office is hellbent on taking an OT we should definately trade back a get a couple extra picks.
Even if three OT's were gone, it would not be reaching to take the fourth at 13. OT is rather stacked with talent this draft.