WHO WANTS TO KEEP D. HALL...........???

[SkinsJock]

"I do" too

Let me add that I hope we end up paying a decent amount for Hall but the salaries that have been paid out recently do not support that hope

I just hope that Hall is on this team and I think it is going to take a lot of money to do that - we just have to pay it because this is a very important position and we will not be near as good without him in the secondary.

This defense needs to do whatever it takes with regards to both adding players AND keeping players, to stay in the top 10 because I am not sure that we are very likely going to be a high scoring or effective offense in the near term. This offense needs too many things to suddenly become a top 10 offense.

[crazyhorse1]

I want DeAngelo Hall.
I want Albert Haynesworth.
I want to draft some OL and DL.
I want the Redskins to get out of their mediocre funk.

The above is the way to go. Any other seems idiocy to me. Specially, however, the best OT available should be our first draft pick, acquiring Haynesworth should be our first FA business. Hall and Rogers, of course, must be retained. In the other way lies madness.

The only plan other than the above that might lure me would be drafting Bradford at 13, which, of course, won't happen.

[ChocolateMilk]

i want Hall to stay as well! but getting Haynesworth is just a mistake.. how many free agent busts is it going to take to show you guys that signing big FA does not work for us. ever. i mean there is an endless list of people that have had great years with other teams, came to us and sucked.. Getting Haynesworth will just be a waste of money. Build from the draft. Get younger cheaper players.

[PulpExposure]

i want Hall to stay as well! but getting Haynesworth is just a mistake.. how many free agent busts is it going to take to show you guys that signing big FA does not work for us. ever. i mean there is an endless list of people that have had great years with other teams, came to us and sucked.. Getting Haynesworth will just be a waste of money. Build from the draft. Get younger cheaper players.

I like ChocolateMilk...

[Chris Luva Luva]

i want Hall to stay as well! but getting Haynesworth is just a mistake.. how many free agent busts is it going to take to show you guys that signing big FA does not work for us. ever. i mean there is an endless list of people that have had great years with other teams, came to us and sucked.. Getting Haynesworth will just be a waste of money. Build from the draft. Get younger cheaper players.

You can't go from utilizing FA too much to not using it at all... That makes no sense. As long as we aren't building the team through FA I have no problem with us getting an addition here or there.

[Countertrey]

i want Hall to stay as well! but getting Haynesworth is just a mistake.. how many free agent busts is it going to take to show you guys that signing big FA does not work for us. ever. i mean there is an endless list of people that have had great years with other teams, came to us and sucked.. Getting Haynesworth will just be a waste of money. Build from the draft. Get younger cheaper players.

Ummm... wasn't Hall an example of "signing a big FA"? How about Fletcher? How about Springs? How about Washington?

Oh... you meant BIG... as in BIG

[PulpExposure]

i want Hall to stay as well! but getting Haynesworth is just a mistake.. how many free agent busts is it going to take to show you guys that signing big FA does not work for us. ever. i mean there is an endless list of people that have had great years with other teams, came to us and sucked.. Getting Haynesworth will just be a waste of money. Build from the draft. Get younger cheaper players.

Ummm... wasn't Hall an example of "signing a big FA"? How about Fletcher? How about Springs? How about Washington?

Oh... you meant BIG... as in BIG

Smoot and Fletcher weren't big free agents...their contracts, combined, were just about as much as Derrick Dockery got the same year, after all.

I think CM's point is that big money free agents are really questionable signings. I mean...there's got to be some reason why so many guys play their best in their contract years...

[Countertrey]

i want Hall to stay as well! but getting Haynesworth is just a mistake.. how many free agent busts is it going to take to show you guys that signing big FA does not work for us. ever. i mean there is an endless list of people that have had great years with other teams, came to us and sucked.. Getting Haynesworth will just be a waste of money. Build from the draft. Get younger cheaper players.

Ummm... wasn't Hall an example of "signing a big FA"? How about Fletcher? How about Springs? How about Washington?

Oh... you meant BIG... as in BIG

Smoot and Fletcher weren't big free agents...their contracts, combined, were just about as much as Derrick Dockery got the same year, after all.

I think CM's point is that big money free agents are really questionable signings. I mean...there's got to be some reason why so many guys play their best in their contract years...

First, my post was largely sarcastic... I happen to agree with him about Haynesworth... he will be much too expensive to permit us to make other upgrades that we need as much as DT.

Second, Smoot was not one of my examples.

Third, CM also said:

Build from the draft.

, which happens to be a point I consistently disagree with. "Building through the draft" is a myth. No one does it. Every team is sprinkled with key Free Agents, whether "big" or not. That Fletcher was cap friendly does not bear on the effect he has had on the team. Where would we have been without Fletcher? Our top ten D immediately drops to the 20's. He was a BIG signing, and every one of us knew it at the time. Where would we have been without Springs? We won games due to his effort. Up until this year, Washington was a major contributor to our defense.
All good teams have players like these... key free agents, who not only started, but made major contributions. You can't be competitive without them.

Big money signings? Hall is destined to be a big money signing... but I don't see the same being said of him... of course, he is also much younger... and doesn't seem to carry the same baggage.

Now, if you say that we have not been effective in our use of the draft, I'd agree. We need to see much improvement in our draft, there is no doubt. That does not mean, however, that as you get better at drafting, you ignore Free Agents.

You just have to pick your battles... In another year, with different circumstances, I might be on the Haynesworth bandwagon... this year is not the time.

[redskins14ru]

Hall is the shut down chase um around guy...we need rogers too I love the secondary. all of it

[PulpExposure]

CT I don't disagree with what you write, at all. What I think CM's point was is going for the big-name, flashy, expensive signing. I.e., going after Haynesworth this year, or Justin Smith last year, etc. I can't really think that Griffin, Springs, Fletcher, etc., were huge name signings; for the most part, they were very good players for their team, not household, perennial probowlers (in fact, only Springs went to the Probowl prior to our signing them).

That's I think what he meant. Avoid the big-name, big-money FA, because you rarely get from them what you pay.

[KazooSkinsFan]

"Building through the draft" is a myth. No one does it. Every team is sprinkled with key Free Agents, whether "big" or not

What you're advocating Trey is what my other favorite pro sports team, the Detroit Red Wings do. They've won 4 of the last 11 Stanley Cups and are a favorite again this year (for those who don't follow hockey). So looking at how we built our current team:

- Home grown stars - includes: Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsuk, Holstrom, Franzen, Kromwell. We have a deep up and coming group of young players. We also have our goalie, Osgood, who left and came back.

But they are supported with key signings like Rafalski, Samuelson, Conklin. And when you get a reputation everyone wants to play there, we acquired Brad Stuart last year at the trade deadline and signed him to a less then top dollar contract and in the off season picked up Hossa for one year for well below what he could have gotten. In football, the Pats do a lot of the same things.

The base is home grown, but Holland (Wings GM) is always seeing what he can get and to your point not signing every free agent but looking for key guys who fit in. I gotta say you're on the money, but it's the GM, Ken Holland, who makes it work. I will say though that fans are always fickle, a couple years ago he was being criticized. Now he's THE MAN again. The fans are never satisfied.

[DEHog]

I think most 'good' team are built through the draft Indy comes to mind...I think Venitari is the only FA. I agree most team are sprinkles with FA however the 'good" team seem to use them to complimant there team where as we expect them to be saviors.

[tcwest10]

I want DeAngelo Hall.
I want Albert Haynesworth.
I want to draft some OL and DL.
I want the Redskins to get out of their mediocre funk.

I, too, want to keep Hall. I would also like the copyright on "Mediocre Funk", which would be a great name for a band.

[Countertrey]

I think most 'good' team are built through the draft Indy comes to mind...I think Venitari is the only FA. I agree most team are sprinkles with FA however the 'good" team seem to use them to complimant there team where as we expect them to be saviors.

I would contend that you are close. Good teams TEND to create a solid foundation through the draft. The then use Free Agency to fine tune their team. We are not close enough to use such an approach. Our foundation needs much repair. We need too many pieces before we can spend big bucks in FA and hope to be successful.

Redskins history, however, demonstrates that it is possible to completely abandon the draft... and yet go to the Superbowl. And, yes, of course it is pre-salary cap.

OFFICIAL DISCLAIMER: I do not advocate the strategies of George Allen... I only cite them because they are proof that a team constructed largely of "big name" free agents and by trading away draft picks can win in the NFL.


Of course, you will then spend the next decade recovering, once your players are spent

[ChocolateMilk]

Yeah PulpExposure understood my point.. I'm sorry for not making it clearer. But im not against free agency. i think its great. But if you look at the players you just named like Fletcher, Springs, Washington. They're all at least 33 i beleive. And 2 of them arent the same players as when we signed them. And yes they have helped a lot. But we cant keep spending money on FA like that when we can draft players right out of college and work them up to be great.

Im not against FA in anyway. Its just the way our team has gone at it the past few seasons(except maybe the last 2 i think minus the addition of Jason Taylor) is not the way to go.. You sign a depth player here, a role player there. but you dont go and get your whole team from FA. thats not how it works. yall should know that. we've tried and look at us? sure we're better than the cowboys. and we've won more playoff games this decade than them. but so what?! that just means we're a tiny bit better than a craptastic team. but the reason why im for Hall(who is a "big time FA" if you wish to call him that) and not Haynesworth is cuz Hall was on our team for half the season and did the 1 thing our corners could not seem to do the past 3 years. and that is get a friggin interception. And he did it while wearing the B&G. So i think it will be very wise to keep some one like him. and he's not old either i beleive. and correct me if im wrong but wasnt Haynesworth the same guy that stomped on someones face?! did people just forget that happend? i know it was 2 years ago. but it still happend. you cant take that back. but thats not the only reason why i dont want us to sign him. This is his contract year. and this is the only year i can remember where people are actually saying how good he is. To my memory, almost every year before this he has been called average, overrated, even a bust.. but on his contract year he erupts and now everyone wants him. including people on this site. and if we sign him its just going to be the same thing with Dana Stubblefield, Darryl Gardner, Brandon Lloyd, Antwan Randle El, etc. etc.

and now the whole draft thing. well we should have been drafting O-Line help the year we got Randy Thomas. Im not saying high draft picks. but like 3rd or 4th round picks. but maybe we didnt have them cuz we wasted em getting FAs i dont know. but we should have and we should have had them back up and learn under the old guys so they can come in and start this year or next. cuz now we got an old-line that cant pass protect. I mean we gave up 38 sacks last year. thats in the bottom 10. thats no bueno. Campbell needs time to pass the ball to our receivers. The guy was always hurried and knocked down or sacked. and when he wasnt, he was worried he was gonna be cuz his line let him down so many other times that he rushed his pass. so hopefully this is a good draft for Linemen cuz we sure need em man. and thats on both ends of the ball. We need a big fat DT that cuz just plug up holes for now, AND that wont cost $70 million. We dont have the money for that. So with our 3rd or 4th round pick, hopefully we can get some fat ass DT whos worthy of such a pick.

[Countertrey]

wasnt Haynesworth the same guy that stomped on someones face?!

You are correct, sir. I didn't raise it, because there is a faction here who don't believe that being a punk is a disqualifier.

[Deadskins]

The guy was always hurried and knocked down or sacked. and when he wasnt, he was worried he was gonna be cuz his line let him down so many other times that he rushed his pass.

I don't remember him rushing too many passes, but I do agree that in the 2nd half of the season he seemed to lose faith in the line's ability to protect him.

[PulpExposure]

This is his contract year. and this is the only year i can remember where people are actually saying how good he is. To my memory, almost every year before this he has been called average, overrated, even a bust.. but on his contract year he erupts and now everyone wants him. including people on this site. and if we sign him its just going to be the same thing with Dana Stubblefield, Darryl Gardner, Brandon Lloyd, Antwan Randle El, etc. etc.

Haynesworth was dominant in 2007 also (all-pro). Although he was a free agent that year also (franchised afterwards), so you could argue his best 2 years were in his contract years.

My biggest beef with him is he's never healthy. The guy misses 25% of games, historically (he's never even had one season where he started more than 14 games!). He's going to want, and command, huge money as a free agent...and he's worth it...when he's healthy. But you're essentially playing franchise-player money to a part-time player.

Therefore, to me, he's not worth what he'll get.

[Chris Luva Luva]

wasnt Haynesworth the same guy that stomped on someones face?!

You are correct, sir. I didn't raise it, because there is a faction here who don't believe that being a punk is a disqualifier.

I don't mind not liking a guy for committing such an atrocity... That's cool. It's this high and mighty vibe that people come off with, like the Redskins is God's team and we could never allow a sinner into our midst of great heritage. Like the Redskins haven't/don't have their fair share of questionable characters.

Sure, the guy lost all sense of self-control for a second and committed a horrible action against another player.... Is it unforgivable? NO. I'm sure if he stomped on a few puppies there would be a greater uproar and possibly prison time.

[DEHog]

wasnt Haynesworth the same guy that stomped on someones face?!

You are correct, sir. I didn't raise it, because there is a faction here who don't believe that being a punk is a disqualifier.

I don't mind not liking a guy for committing such an atrocity... That's cool. It's this high and mighty vibe that people come off with, like the Redskins is God's team and we could never allow a sinner into our midst of great heritage. Like the Redskins haven't/don't have their fair share of questionable characters.

Sure, the guy lost all sense of self-control for a second and committed a horrible action against another player.... Is it unforgivable? NO. I'm sure if he stomped on a few puppies there would be a greater uproar and possibly prison time.

but it was a Cowboy

[JansenFan]

wasnt Haynesworth the same guy that stomped on someones face?!

You are correct, sir. I didn't raise it, because there is a faction here who don't believe that being a punk is a disqualifier.

Although it was the Pukes center Gurode that got stomped, so it wasn't that bad.

[Chris Luva Luva]

Although it was the Pukes center Gurode that got stomped, so it wasn't that bad.

but it was a Cowboy

I didn't remember that. Well, shoot, he's already a Redskin.

[ChocolateMilk]

Although it was the Pukes center Gurode that got stomped, so it wasn't that bad.

but it was a Cowboy

I didn't remember that. Well, shoot, he's already a Redskin.

hah yeah true.. i mean im always for forgiving a player when they make a few mistakes. i mean i think i was 1 of the few people with ya CLL trying to say that the whole micheal vick trial was blown out of proportion. so yeah that was dumb of me to bring that up. i dont really hold that against him. the only thing about it is, it just seems EVERYONE has forgotten about it in the media. wouldnt you think that they would be making a story about this? about how well he's gotten or hows he been able to overcome that and gotten to where he is? or anything. it just seems like theyre turning the other cheek to it. which is very unlike them cuz they try and stir crap up like that when ever they get the chance.

But i just think that once he gets his long term contract worth probably over $70 mil. hes not going to be as dominant or as effective. It happends to a lot of players.

[TeeterSalad]

Better late than never...I DO!!!!

[Californiaskin]

Id Like: Shaun Cody
Karlos Dansby
Derrick Ward
Patrick Ramsey
Jordan Gross
Tra Thomas

Oh yeah and D Hall........

Id drop Janson
Kendall
Collins
All linebackers except
london and HB
smoot
Betts
el
springs