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VetSkinsFan wrote:

fleetus wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

Fios wrote:Brian likes to hear himself talk and he loves a reaction.

Agreed.

I also disagree about his comment that he doesn't think Zorn can handle being a coach. Just because Zorn didn't make a huge scene on sidelines with Moss, for the cameras and all the world to see, in no way means Moss wasn't reprimanded behind closed doors, as it should be handled. If Zorn had exploded on the sidelines, it just would have been another media frenzy attacking him. Brian does come off as being jealous and disgruntled.

You may be right and mostly i agree. but if i was head Coach when Moss did that? he would have been benched right then and there. Sometimes you have to make a statement to your tema what kind of character gets awarded and what type of actions won't fly. You think Parcells would have stayed quiet if one of his players cost him 15 yards while behind in a game JUST as the team finally did something positive to gain momentum? What Moss did was a picture perfect example of why this team loses.

Eh.. he was in the endzone with the ball. I was taught that was a touchdown. Touchdowns are not why we lose.. it's the lack of.

The team was having their a$$ handed to them for most of the game. Moss, a supposed team leader, scores the touchdown, the first good momentum building thing to happen and everyone has to be thinking 'okay, now we're back in it. let's stop the offense on this next drive and get the ball back' and before you could complete that thought, you see Moss, like an idiot rookie, start his little pathetic celebration. And now instead of gaining momentum, we put the Bungles one first down from field goal range. Momentum gone.

You don't celebrate in a way to cost your team field position. You don't celebrate when you're having your a$$ handed to you by the freakin Bungles. and you don't celebrate when you're supposed to be a veteran leader who should know how to act like someone who has been to the endzone before.

Chris said

If you put Portis behind the Hogs, he'd break those runs too. It's not even debatable.

I have seen them both. Riggins was the better runner, though Portis the more subtle and skilled runner. Riggins was a king whether running with the Jets (ugh), or blocking for Mike Thomas out of the I (what was George Allen thinking?), or in the split RB pro formation under Pardee. Before any of the Hogs came along, in the 1979 season, second Cowboys game, I saw Riggins turn a corner and out-run the entire Cowboys team.

Would Portis have been great with the Hogs? Sure. However, imagine Larry Brown behind the Hogs.

Over and above all that, which is irrelevant, Brian Mitchell and Riggins make a living by startling people. By being controversial, by having their comments repeated and made the center of discussions. Like this one.

In that way, I'd say that both Riggins and Brian Mitchell are jealous. Neither, probably, makes the money they made while playing.

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B Mitchell can only be Bobby Mitchell. Star runner, star receiver, Hall of Fame. [/b][/i]

welch wrote:Chris said

If you put Portis behind the Hogs, he'd break those runs too. It's not even debatable.

I have seen them both. Riggins was the better runner, though Portis the more subtle and skilled runner. Riggins was a king whether running with the Jets (ugh), or blocking for Mike Thomas out of the I (what was George Allen thinking?), or in the split RB pro formation under Pardee. Before any of the Hogs came along, in the 1979 season, second Cowboys game, I saw Riggins turn a corner and out-run the entire Cowboys team.

Would Portis have been great with the Hogs? Sure. However, imagine Larry Brown behind the Hogs.

Over and above all that, which is irrelevant, Brian Mitchell and Riggins make a living by startling people. By being controversial, by having their comments repeated and made the center of discussions. Like this one.

In that way, I'd say that both Riggins and Brian Mitchell are jealous. Neither, probably, makes the money they made while playing.

Note:
B Mitchell can only be Bobby Mitchell. Star runner, star receiver, Hall of Fame. [/b][/i]

I agree with everything you said.

Riggins also was an honorary member of the Hogs. He inspired them to block their butts (and Butz ) off for him. Portis is somewhat of a team leader, but he also comes off as being a little bit of a prima donna and has also publicly criticized his O-line. Things like that can be the difference between a 8-8 team and a 11-5 team that peaks as it enters the playoffs.

And now instead of gaining momentum, we put the Bungles one first down from field goal range. Momentum gone.

I see you conveniently left out the part where Suisham gave it to them on the 40.

I don't think that it's jealousy or whatever coming from B-Mitch and Riggo. These guys played during a time when there was glory here and no-nonsense and alot of the things that players of this current time get away with without putting in the hard work was not tolerated when they played back in the day. Yeah Riggo got away with stuff but he showed up when it was needed.

I think that with B-Mitch, it's his personality to be blunt and go the other way. Sometimes it's a little much but I like his view point on alot of things. Not all but alot.

Plus, these guys as former Redskins, have high expectations and standards for these guys because they are Redskins and have played.

roybus14 wrote:Yeah Riggo got away with stuff but he showed up when it was needed.

And Clinton doesn't?

Riggins is just another Keyshawn Johnson trying to come down on guys when he was doing the same things. You can't compare what was "wild" in the 70's/80's to what's wild now. John was the equivalent of CP back then.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Fios wrote:I agree with some of what he says but his obsession with Portis is tiresome, Mitchell is just angry he wasn't half the running back Portis is and he's blinded by that, his "analysis" of Portis is utterly worthless. And Rock? I mean what is the FO supposed to do? Throw a ton of money at a guy who is a very solid special teams player but little else? Brian likes to hear himself talk and he loves a reaction.

Riggins comes off as jealous too and that's not to say that they don't make valid points but they really sound jealous.

I agree. Riggins is worst then Mitchell. I haven't heard him every show but the 10 or so times I've heard him evaluate Portis he gives the credit 100% to the offensive line. It is like he hates a certain type of player or attitude more then anything. Like he can't accept the culture of the new age player.

When Portis was rippin off back to back to back 100 yard games, and leading the NFL (MVP canidate) in rushing nobody on the talk show wanted to talk about the Portis vs Bailey trade they have dismissed as bad for years, however soon as Portis slows down these last few weeks they bring it back, noting that Portis is no longer a "breakaway" back. Like this is essentially needed to win a Super Bowl.

You need a glass is half empty guy on a radio show but DC has way too many of them. They seem amped whenever the Skins lose. That list includes:

Czaban - really rude and sarcastic to the callers...don't know why anyone would even call in.

Andy Pollin - Just recently he was mentioning Blache interview after the Bengals lost that he seen and heard on comcast. The same interview where Blache said that Rogers didn't start because he had the flu that week and was sorta not 100% because he had to get blood taken, blah blah blah..etc Well when another analyst questioned why Rogers didn't start on the Monday Morning quarterback Pollin conveniently didn't mention what Blache had stated and made the benching seem more then what is was.

BMitch, Lavar Arrington have hate in their blood too.

mastdark81 wrote:Andy Pollin - Just recently he was mentioning Blache interview after the Bengals lost that he seen and heard on comcast. The same interview where Blache said that Rogers didn't start because he had the flu that week and was sorta not 100% because he had to get blood taken, blah blah blah..etc Well when another analyst questioned why Rogers didn't start on the Monday Morning quarterback Pollin conveniently didn't mention what Blache had stated and made the benching seem more then what is was.

Pollin and Czaban are idiots. When the skins signed Smoot and Fletcher to their contracts, they went crazy. Talking about how the Skins had thrown big money (total for both players of 20 million in guarentees) at "a mediocre linebacker" and a CB who can't play...and then complaining the Skins just let good young talent go (i.e., Dockery, who got 18 million in guarentees BY HIMSELF).

Yeah, he called Fletcher a mediocre LB, when anyone who knows squat about football knows this guy has produced year in and year out. Still bugs the hell out of me.

PulpExposure wrote:Yeah, he called Fletcher a mediocre LB, when anyone who knows squat about football knows this guy has produced year in and year out. Still bugs the hell out of me.

Yeah, that was dumb of him.

roybus14 wrote:I don't think that it's jealousy or whatever coming from B-Mitch and Riggo. These guys played during a time when there was glory here and no-nonsense and alot of the things that players of this current time get away with without putting in the hard work was not tolerated when they played back in the day. Yeah Riggo got away with stuff but he showed up when it was needed.

Plus, these guys as former Redskins, have high expectations and standards for these guys because they are Redskins and have played.

I don't think he's jealous neither but he definitely don't like a small portion of the players in particular Portis and Moss because of their attitudes and flair and don't make fair evaluations based on his like/dislike of the player. You would think he would understand them a bit, as he was a player that was sort of in his own world from what I hear...but he don't and never will.

p.s he was there but not always...he held out in 1980 or 81 the entire season over the very same thing that is ruining the players he critique $$$$$$$

is mitchel retired as a skin
Im not concerned about the jelousy as much as the anamosity

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:But wasn't Portis the guy who almost tied LaRon Landry in a 40 yard dash just a few months ago?

I know, it doesn't make sense. But he is no threat for a breakaway, and really hasn't been a big-play guy as a Redskin.

The injuries must be taken their toll. Does this mean it may be time to draft a RB to groom for the future?

Let's use our 2nd round pick! Oh....wait....

He doesn't break the long one because once through the line he breaks only for the sidelines and then never cuts back, even when eluding only one tackler would let him break free. I don't know why he does that. To avoid contact? Can't make the cut? Why? Jim Brown used to jump all over Franko Harris for that-- he said Franko was trying to extend his career to the detriment of the team.