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i have stated before who i like and who i want.....and many on the board disagree with me, but im sticking to my guns....

with that said, if the guy i want is or is not there i say trade down (def if he is gone as projected here)

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

and recoup some of the picks we lost for JT55...(jason taylor for those who dont think i know how to spell his name) if he is still there and we trade down, i would only drop 2-4 spots to get a pick or maybe two and still take my man

if he is gone, i will tade down to about 20-23 and look to get about 2-3 picks and take a OL and continue to take OL until the picks exceed a combine weight of 2,000lbs


btw, i will keep this idea no matter who we sign in FA, hayesworth depending on his knee, and peppers would be great, but im sure $$ will be an issue at some point, suggs? maybe we get a discount on reloaction fees..

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/dl.html

jordan gross is at the top on my list, but any of these top 4 guys would make me happy

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/ol.html



btw "my guy" goes at 10...read what is said about him, and tell me he wont be great back there roaming, and LL30 will go back to his natural position (ss and play at the LOS and force fumbles and blitz, like at LSU)


.Taylor Mays, USC, safety: Scary. That is the best way to describe Mays. His combination of size and speed in a safety is freakish. And in the Trojans' spring game, Mays obliterated Patrick Turner, the team's towering 6-foot-5, 230-pound receiver on a play when he came over the middle. I suspect many Pac-10 receivers envision similar scenes before they face the Trojans and their super-fast, super-sized DB.


Mays' workout numbers are ridiculous. He's 6-3, 226 pounds, with 6 percent body fat and ran an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds. He did 26 reps with 225 pounds while also vertical jumping 41 inches and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4. (As evidence in his growth, Mays arrived at USC weighing 215 and posted a vertical jump of 35 inches and a broad jump of 10-0.)

Asked if he's even seen anything that big, move that fast, USC strength coach Chris Carlisle paused for a few moments: "Maybe when I walked by the cheetah cage at the wildlife park." Mays' athleticism actually presents USC with a different kind of issue: a talent with such growth potential that you have to guard against him outgrowing the position. "Our big thing is he could get too big too fast," says Carlisle, who also gushes about the player's work ethic. "He could easily be like his daddy [former NFL defensive lineman Stafford Mays] so we have to make him better without making him bigger because he could be like 260 in a month."

Carlisle predicts Mays could still run a sub-4.4 40 at that size, but says the key is keeping the DB from bulking up too much in his lower body. "We could use him like a science experiment, but that really wouldn't be of value to him or the team."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3420212

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:i have stated before who i like and who i want.....and many on the board disagree with me, but im sticking to my guns....

with that said, if the guy i want is or is not there i say trade down (def if he is gone as projected here)

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

and recoup some of the picks we lost for JT55...(jason taylor for those who dont think i know how to spell his name) if he is still there and we trade down, i would only drop 2-4 spots to get a pick or maybe two and still take my man

if he is gone, i will tade down to about 20-23 and look to get about 2-3 picks and take a OL and continue to take OL until the picks exceed a combine weight of 2,000lbs


btw, i will keep this idea no matter who we sign in FA, hayesworth depending on his knee, and peppers would be great, but im sure $$ will be an issue at some point, suggs? maybe we get a discount on reloaction fees..

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/dl.html

jordan gross is at the top on my list, but any of these top 4 guys would make me happy

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/ol.html



btw "my guy" goes at 10...read what is said about him, and tell me he wont be great back there roaming, and LL30 will go back to his natural position (ss and play at the LOS and force fumbles and blitz, like at LSU)


.Taylor Mays, USC, safety: Scary. That is the best way to describe Mays. His combination of size and speed in a safety is freakish. And in the Trojans' spring game, Mays obliterated Patrick Turner, the team's towering 6-foot-5, 230-pound receiver on a play when he came over the middle. I suspect many Pac-10 receivers envision similar scenes before they face the Trojans and their super-fast, super-sized DB.


Mays' workout numbers are ridiculous. He's 6-3, 226 pounds, with 6 percent body fat and ran an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds. He did 26 reps with 225 pounds while also vertical jumping 41 inches and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4. (As evidence in his growth, Mays arrived at USC weighing 215 and posted a vertical jump of 35 inches and a broad jump of 10-0.)

Asked if he's even seen anything that big, move that fast, USC strength coach Chris Carlisle paused for a few moments: "Maybe when I walked by the cheetah cage at the wildlife park." Mays' athleticism actually presents USC with a different kind of issue: a talent with such growth potential that you have to guard against him outgrowing the position. "Our big thing is he could get too big too fast," says Carlisle, who also gushes about the player's work ethic. "He could easily be like his daddy [former NFL defensive lineman Stafford Mays] so we have to make him better without making him bigger because he could be like 260 in a month."

Carlisle predicts Mays could still run a sub-4.4 40 at that size, but says the key is keeping the DB from bulking up too much in his lower body. "We could use him like a science experiment, but that really wouldn't be of value to him or the team."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3420212

I understand the guy is talented. You can't just draft the same position in the first round every year. The lions tried that. How did that turn out?

Everyone wants a lineman of some sort, but IMO the Redskins have so many questions on the team that we could take a linebacker or even a safety without raising my eyebrows.

What if in free agency we signed Haynesworth and Mark Tauscher? Our need for linemen would be practically satiated right? Personally I like Laurinaitis.

brad7686 wrote:

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:i have stated before who i like and who i want.....and many on the board disagree with me, but im sticking to my guns....

with that said, if the guy i want is or is not there i say trade down (def if he is gone as projected here)

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

and recoup some of the picks we lost for JT55...(jason taylor for those who dont think i know how to spell his name) if he is still there and we trade down, i would only drop 2-4 spots to get a pick or maybe two and still take my man

if he is gone, i will tade down to about 20-23 and look to get about 2-3 picks and take a OL and continue to take OL until the picks exceed a combine weight of 2,000lbs


btw, i will keep this idea no matter who we sign in FA, hayesworth depending on his knee, and peppers would be great, but im sure $$ will be an issue at some point, suggs? maybe we get a discount on reloaction fees..

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/dl.html

jordan gross is at the top on my list, but any of these top 4 guys would make me happy

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/ol.html



btw "my guy" goes at 10...read what is said about him, and tell me he wont be great back there roaming, and LL30 will go back to his natural position (ss and play at the LOS and force fumbles and blitz, like at LSU)


.Taylor Mays, USC, safety: Scary. That is the best way to describe Mays. His combination of size and speed in a safety is freakish. And in the Trojans' spring game, Mays obliterated Patrick Turner, the team's towering 6-foot-5, 230-pound receiver on a play when he came over the middle. I suspect many Pac-10 receivers envision similar scenes before they face the Trojans and their super-fast, super-sized DB.


Mays' workout numbers are ridiculous. He's 6-3, 226 pounds, with 6 percent body fat and ran an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds. He did 26 reps with 225 pounds while also vertical jumping 41 inches and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4. (As evidence in his growth, Mays arrived at USC weighing 215 and posted a vertical jump of 35 inches and a broad jump of 10-0.)

Asked if he's even seen anything that big, move that fast, USC strength coach Chris Carlisle paused for a few moments: "Maybe when I walked by the cheetah cage at the wildlife park." Mays' athleticism actually presents USC with a different kind of issue: a talent with such growth potential that you have to guard against him outgrowing the position. "Our big thing is he could get too big too fast," says Carlisle, who also gushes about the player's work ethic. "He could easily be like his daddy [former NFL defensive lineman Stafford Mays] so we have to make him better without making him bigger because he could be like 260 in a month."

Carlisle predicts Mays could still run a sub-4.4 40 at that size, but says the key is keeping the DB from bulking up too much in his lower body. "We could use him like a science experiment, but that really wouldn't be of value to him or the team."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3420212

I understand the guy is talented. You can't just draft the same position in the first round every year. The lions tried that. How did that turn out?

but those picks were WR and WR is the hardest position to transition into the NFL...
look at the WR

charles rodgers = he was found to have issues on and off the field (red flag)

mike williams = EVERYONE knew he was a bad egg, out of football for a year, and everyone knew he was slow and out of shape, he was one cheese burger away from being a TE

calvin johnson = he was a high charater guy, trained hard, (ran 40 at combine in jamarcus russells shoes cause he did not want to hear the bad press about him not running) and had no issues in college on or off the field

2 were TERRIBLE one is a STUD

also it is not like we have spent 1st rounders on safetys and wasted the picks every other year the past 5 years

Skinsfan55 wrote:Everyone wants a lineman of some sort, but IMO the Redskins have so many questions on the team that we could take a linebacker or even a safety without raising my eyebrows.

What if in free agency we signed Haynesworth and Mark Tauscher? Our need for linemen would be practically satiated right? Personally I like Laurinaitis.

Laurinaitis would be good if they thought he could be effective moving back to OLB.

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:

brad7686 wrote:

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:i have stated before who i like and who i want.....and many on the board disagree with me, but im sticking to my guns....

with that said, if the guy i want is or is not there i say trade down (def if he is gone as projected here)

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

and recoup some of the picks we lost for JT55...(jason taylor for those who dont think i know how to spell his name) if he is still there and we trade down, i would only drop 2-4 spots to get a pick or maybe two and still take my man

if he is gone, i will tade down to about 20-23 and look to get about 2-3 picks and take a OL and continue to take OL until the picks exceed a combine weight of 2,000lbs


btw, i will keep this idea no matter who we sign in FA, hayesworth depending on his knee, and peppers would be great, but im sure $$ will be an issue at some point, suggs? maybe we get a discount on reloaction fees..

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/dl.html

jordan gross is at the top on my list, but any of these top 4 guys would make me happy

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/ol.html



btw "my guy" goes at 10...read what is said about him, and tell me he wont be great back there roaming, and LL30 will go back to his natural position (ss and play at the LOS and force fumbles and blitz, like at LSU)


.Taylor Mays, USC, safety: Scary. That is the best way to describe Mays. His combination of size and speed in a safety is freakish. And in the Trojans' spring game, Mays obliterated Patrick Turner, the team's towering 6-foot-5, 230-pound receiver on a play when he came over the middle. I suspect many Pac-10 receivers envision similar scenes before they face the Trojans and their super-fast, super-sized DB.


Mays' workout numbers are ridiculous. He's 6-3, 226 pounds, with 6 percent body fat and ran an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds. He did 26 reps with 225 pounds while also vertical jumping 41 inches and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4. (As evidence in his growth, Mays arrived at USC weighing 215 and posted a vertical jump of 35 inches and a broad jump of 10-0.)

Asked if he's even seen anything that big, move that fast, USC strength coach Chris Carlisle paused for a few moments: "Maybe when I walked by the cheetah cage at the wildlife park." Mays' athleticism actually presents USC with a different kind of issue: a talent with such growth potential that you have to guard against him outgrowing the position. "Our big thing is he could get too big too fast," says Carlisle, who also gushes about the player's work ethic. "He could easily be like his daddy [former NFL defensive lineman Stafford Mays] so we have to make him better without making him bigger because he could be like 260 in a month."

Carlisle predicts Mays could still run a sub-4.4 40 at that size, but says the key is keeping the DB from bulking up too much in his lower body. "We could use him like a science experiment, but that really wouldn't be of value to him or the team."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3420212

I understand the guy is talented. You can't just draft the same position in the first round every year. The lions tried that. How did that turn out?

but those picks were WR and WR is the hardest position to transition into the NFL...
look at the WR

charles rodgers = he was found to have issues on and off the field (red flag)

mike williams = EVERYONE knew he was a bad egg, out of football for a year, and everyone knew he was slow and out of shape, he was one cheese burger away from being a TE

calvin johnson = he was a high charater guy, trained hard, (ran 40 at combine in jamarcus russells shoes cause he did not want to hear the bad press about him not running) and had no issues in college on or off the field

2 were TERRIBLE one is a STUD

also it is not like we have spent 1st rounders on safetys and wasted the picks every other year the past 5 years

Its hard to argue not drafting CJ, because he was the best WR prospect perhaps of all time. And i mean, since they struck out with all the other ones, it made at least a little sense being that WR was still a need. Safety is one of the top 3 positions this team is set at. Not saying they won't draft mays though, but there would be backlash from the fan base.

brad7686 wrote:Assuming there are no trades, here are the guys to watch by round, and I'm trying to be realistic considering we won't pick THAT early in rounds.

Round 1- likely to be there (Granted, all projections will change immensely before draft day)

1. Michael Oher OT 6'5" 330 MISSISSIPPI- He's a big, tremendous run blocker with solid pass blocking skills. He could keep bull rushers out of the backfield and restore a good run attack to the strong side.

2. Gerald McCoy DT 6'4" 295 Oklahoma- Prototypical upfield 4-3 tackle. Can get in the backfield and hold up against the run. Could be the first DT off the board.

3. B.J Rahi DT 6'1" 334 Boston College- Very stout DT, holds up well against the run and can also collapse the pocket and get to the QB.

Those who could climb or fall to our spot and be worth a look-

Climbers-

Tyson Jackson 6'4" 295 DE LSU- Huge, Bull Rushing DE, convert to DT?

Brian Cushing 6'3" 253 OLB USC - Big, athletic linebacker to play SAM

Terrence Cody DT 6'4" 375 Alabama- "Mount Cody" Huge run stuffer type. Opinions have him going ahead or behind where we will be drafting. Ideal for 3-4 but we could use him perhaps.

I think many of you know Darrius Heyward Bey of Maryland, I don't think they will go WR but he is explosive with reasonable height and hands.

Fallers-

Brian Orakpo 6' 3" DE Texas- pass rush extraordinare, Convert to LB? He could possibly fall to us.

Eugene Monroe 6' 5" 310 OT Virginia- Quick with a massive frame, a pass blocking specialist who could dominate against the run if he played with better leverage. Also could add weight to frame.

Round 3- likely to be there

Herman Johnson OG LSU 6'7" 391 Good run blocker, hard to get around in the passing game. He's not great in space but good for his size. Could stand to lose a few pounds IMO.

Also Levitre of Oregon State is a possibility here at guard. He is 330ish and very athletic for a Guard.

Clay Matthews OLB USC 6'4" 242 Another big USC linebacker, Not as explosive as his counterpart Cushing, but could bring pressure from the SAM position in the NFL, as well as hold up against the run. It may be a stretch to think he'll be around but it could be close.

Michael Bennett DE 6'3" 265 Texas A&M Reasonably explosive for a DE and not small either. Brother is Martellus Bennett of the Pukes. A bit of a riser who broke out this year.

Rounds 5-7 Too early to tell at this point. Personally, I would love to see them take a kicker like Succop from SC, who has a big leg and is reasonably accurate. Maybe a big WR like 6'6" Ramses Barden out of Cal Poly to help in the Red Zone. He had 18 td's this year. Should be some decent guards from round 5 on.

I think you've got something. I posted my picks the other night on another forum. Here are my top picks: (OT) * Michael Oher, Eugene Monroe, (OG) * Duke Robinson (C) Alex Mack (DT) Peria Jerry (DE) * Brian Orakpo (OLB) Aaron Curry, Brian Cushing (MLB) * Rey Maualuga, * James Laurinitis.

Here are some other picks that we might be able to snag: (OT) Jason Smith, Phil Loadholt (OLB) Dannell Ellerbe (CB) Malcom Jenkins.

I also agree and this seems to be the consensus: We need to trade some of our so-called talent to get more picks. I also think that we could bring in a lot of unsigned guys and have a real competition in training camp. That would start the buidling process that we need and make for the best of what is already there. I'm also of the opinion of many that are posting here that everyone should be ready to start. I'll hear nothing of player development.

Here are my picks:
Round 1: Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss
Round 3: Anthony Parker OT/OG
Round 5: Ray Feinga OG BYU
Round 6: Michael Tauiliili LB Duke

I looked up some info on each of my mock picks.

Hardy missed Ole Miss' first three games of the season while recovering from a foot injury, but he returned for game four against Vanderbilt, and the Rebels have to be thrilled about that. After all, the absence of the SEC's 2007 sack leader (Hardy had 10) is no small loss. Hardy also recorded 64 total tackles (18.5 of which were for a loss) in picking up First Team All-SEC honors from both the coaches and the AP. He also started nine games as a freshman in 2006, so he has the experience to step in and make an impact at the next level right away even if he decides to leave school early. More importantly, Hardy has the necessary blend of size and speed to thrive at defensive end on Sundays. He is 6'4 and 265 pounds and can run under 4.7 in the 40-yard-dash. Obviously the only real drawback to Hardy at the moment that could cause NFL scouts to shy away is durability concerns. If Hardy can stay healthy the rest of his junior season and post similarly strong numbers, he could be tempted to pack his bags by being a sure first-round pick in next April's draft.

Parker has a lot of things going for him, but also a lot of things going against him. First the good: he started 12 games as a sophomore in 2006 and all 14 of Tennessee's games as a junior last season. Parker has been used at right guard and left guard. Paving the way for an extremely successful rushing attack in Knoxville last year, Parker was name a consensus First-Team All-SEC performer by both the coaches and the media. He is not huge compared to linemen nowadays (6'3 and 300 pounds), but he can run under 5.0 in the 40-yard dash. Now for the bad: the Volunteers are enduring a brutal 2008 campaign so everyone's stock is suffering. Minor injury concerns also surround Parker. He missed the Outback Bowl in his sophomore season with a knee injury and he had arthroscopic surgery on his right knee during this pre-season. Nonetheless, he has hardly missed any playing time. And last for the ugly: character questions could come up, as Parker was arrested this January for disorderly conduct when police officers tried to disperse a crowd. Despite all that, Parker should be off the board no later than the third round if he can stay healthy, out of trouble, and end this trying season on a positive note.

OG Ray Feinga from BYU was selected All-Mountain West First Team for the 2008 college football season. He is 6'5'' & 335 lbs. He helped BYU lead the MWC and rank No. 7 nationally in passing offense (308.9 yards/game). Helped BYU lead the MWC and rank No. 18 nationally in total offense (444.8 yards/game). Helped BYU rank second in the MWC and No. 19 in the nation in scoring offense (35.3 ppg). Helped BYU lead the MWC and rank No. 11 nationally in first downs (292). Helped BYU lead the MWC and rank No. 3 nationally in third-down conversions (55.9 percent). Helped BYU lead the MWC and rank No. 10 (tied) in fourth-down conversions (70 percent). Has started all 12 games at guard for BYU this season.

I am a Duke fan. I love this Tauiliili kid. Every time I watched or listened to Duke, I heard his name. He is a ball-hawk. He is a little undersized at 5'11'' and 235 Lbs, but so is London Fletcher. He was selected All-ACC Conference First Team and All-American Third Team. He finished with a ACC Conference high - 140 tackles. He also had 4 interceptions, 13 tackles for loss, and 3 forced fumbles. There might be a chance that we can pick him up with a late 7th round compensatory draft pick, but I think this kid is gonna be special in the NFL and is worth the 6th round gamble. He played mostly Inside LB in his college career, but he has moved around and can play some OLB.

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:i have stated before who i like and who i want.....and many on the board disagree with me, but im sticking to my guns....

with that said, if the guy i want is or is not there i say trade down (def if he is gone as projected here)

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2009.php

and recoup some of the picks we lost for JT55...(jason taylor for those who dont think i know how to spell his name) if he is still there and we trade down, i would only drop 2-4 spots to get a pick or maybe two and still take my man

if he is gone, i will tade down to about 20-23 and look to get about 2-3 picks and take a OL and continue to take OL until the picks exceed a combine weight of 2,000lbs


btw, i will keep this idea no matter who we sign in FA, hayesworth depending on his knee, and peppers would be great, but im sure $$ will be an issue at some point, suggs? maybe we get a discount on reloaction fees..

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/dl.html

jordan gross is at the top on my list, but any of these top 4 guys would make me happy

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/ol.html



btw "my guy" goes at 10...read what is said about him, and tell me he wont be great back there roaming, and LL30 will go back to his natural position (ss and play at the LOS and force fumbles and blitz, like at LSU)


.Taylor Mays, USC, safety: Scary. That is the best way to describe Mays. His combination of size and speed in a safety is freakish. And in the Trojans' spring game, Mays obliterated Patrick Turner, the team's towering 6-foot-5, 230-pound receiver on a play when he came over the middle. I suspect many Pac-10 receivers envision similar scenes before they face the Trojans and their super-fast, super-sized DB.


Mays' workout numbers are ridiculous. He's 6-3, 226 pounds, with 6 percent body fat and ran an electronically timed 40 this spring in 4.32 seconds. He did 26 reps with 225 pounds while also vertical jumping 41 inches and doing a standing broad jump of 11-4. (As evidence in his growth, Mays arrived at USC weighing 215 and posted a vertical jump of 35 inches and a broad jump of 10-0.)

Asked if he's even seen anything that big, move that fast, USC strength coach Chris Carlisle paused for a few moments: "Maybe when I walked by the cheetah cage at the wildlife park." Mays' athleticism actually presents USC with a different kind of issue: a talent with such growth potential that you have to guard against him outgrowing the position. "Our big thing is he could get too big too fast," says Carlisle, who also gushes about the player's work ethic. "He could easily be like his daddy [former NFL defensive lineman Stafford Mays] so we have to make him better without making him bigger because he could be like 260 in a month."

Carlisle predicts Mays could still run a sub-4.4 40 at that size, but says the key is keeping the DB from bulking up too much in his lower body. "We could use him like a science experiment, but that really wouldn't be of value to him or the team."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?id=3420212

my guy is staying at USC, so im all for OLINE OLINE OLINE DLINE OLINE DLINE