The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

fleetus wrote:I think the past couple of off-seasons have been an improvement. And last years draft was the best Skins draft in over a decade. Anyone who judges talent and success besed on a players rookie year is missing the whole point of the draft. So, I for one say, I hope Dan and Vinny continue to work this off-season like they did last year and let's see where it leads. Funny how when we were 6-2, everyone was singing the praises of the FO, now all the sudden, they're to blame for the losses, the Irag War and the economy.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'd fire SkinsFreak.

SkinsFreak wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'd fire SkinsFreak.

Thanks, I appreciate that. <sarcasm>

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'd fire SkinsFreak.

Thanks, I appreciate that. <sarcasm>

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'd fire SkinsFreak.

Thanks, I appreciate that. <sarcasm>

What a pain in the neck...

Skinsfan55 wrote:I wouldn't fire anyone. Personally I think Danny is softening on his hands on approach and I think that Vinny C is a really capable front office man. He was recruiting coordinator for Lou Holtz's Fighting Irish, and director of college scouting (later promoted to director of player personnel) with the 49ers towards the end of their glory days. His track record is pretty good, though it's tainted somewhat because he and Snyder are such good friends. I'd just let Zorn fulfill his contract and good things will happen.

roybus14 wrote:Firing the owner ain't gonna happen. Vinnie needs to go because in his "real" first year on the job, he didn't address the major needs for this team at OL and DL. Instead he went for skilled positions that have not panned out yet when we have other pressing needs. If he had selected one of them and then used the other two picks on OL and DL, then he'd done something. Gibbs didn't address it either during his 2nd stint.

It is obviously that our winning percentage with free agents is pretty low even though we've won a few with guys like London. Trading picks for Taylor has not worked out or maybe it's too early to tell but right now, either him or Carter have to go and make room for a young FA or a rookie.

I say blow it up and fire Vinnie, Zorn, and the entire coaching staff. Since Danny is so good at marketing, maybe he could sell Casserly or some young assistant GM who is working behind a guy like Ossie Newsome, Ernie Acorsi, or Scott Pioli that is ready to become a full-time GM to come here.

Once you have that GM in place, then begin the search for a coach. Cowher maybe out of the picture with Cleveland looming large but what about Russ Grimm; Jim Schwartz; Steve Spagnuolo; Rex Ryan; and Mike Mularkey?? I'm sure these guys who have been successful as Coordinators on one side of the ball or the other would have sense enough to bring in one of these crusty old fired HC's to run the other side of the ball where they are effective and not try to do it all like Zorn has done in their first year. Norv is not and will never be HC material but he's a hell of a coordinator when that is all he does. Same thing with Romeo Crennel.

After the HC and staff are assembled, then evaluate the cap and the talent you have working against it. That would mean some decisions need to be made on Springs, Washington, JTaylor, Blades, Fabini/Kendall, Jansen, ARE, etc. We are too invested in Clinton to just cut him loose but Betts would be trade bait to see if we could get picks for him. RB's can be had anywhere so if Betts is traded, it wouldn't exactly kill us.

After you've cleaned house, sign D.Hall and with the draft picks we do have, focus on OL/DL, LB, and RB. If there is a young FA with talent available to fill one of those needs, then make him an offer. Otherwise, begin building the core of this team through the draft.

Lastly, announce to the die-hard fans of this team that this is your 5-year rebuilding plan and you are sticking to it. No coaching changes, no offensive or defensive changes, building through the draft and FA second and just sticking with this plan and letting your new GM and Coaching staff do what they do to make it work.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'd fire SkinsFreak.

Jake wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I'd fire SkinsFreak.

Hell, I'd fire 90% of the members on this message board if you wanna go down that route.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:There is only one logical answer. Snyder. Removing Snyder would remove Cerrato. 2 rats with one stone.


I was tempted to vote for Larry Michael.

skins2357 wrote:some ppl on here are unbelievable. I am in NO WAY defending Danny boy...but come on. As an owner goes, he is not as bad as yall are making him out to be.

chiefhog44 wrote:Here in Bears country, people tell me all the time that they wish they had an owner that cared about the team and spent money.

RedskinsFreak wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Here in Bears country, people tell me all the time that they wish they had an owner that cared about the team and spent money.

But, as we've seen, that's hardly enough. THAT he cares and THAT he spends isn't the issue. It's the HOW.

SKINFAN wrote:I voted Campbell, I fell from the bandwagon and it hurt... I think he is a good QB, but I don't think he is the right fit for us.

SkinsFreak wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Here in Bears country, people tell me all the time that they wish they had an owner that cared about the team and spent money.

But, as we've seen, that's hardly enough. THAT he cares and THAT he spends isn't the issue. It's the HOW.

Yeah, well, every team misses on players. I'd love for anyone to prove otherwise.

RedskinsFreak wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:Here in Bears country, people tell me all the time that they wish they had an owner that cared about the team and spent money.

But, as we've seen, that's hardly enough. THAT he cares and THAT he spends isn't the issue. It's the HOW.

Yeah, well, every team misses on players. I'd love for anyone to prove otherwise.

I think many here can't see the forest for the trees. Sure, everyone misses. To pare it down to one find or one miss or say "they drafted player A at pick #71, when B, C and D (who wound up to be better than A) were still on the board" is missing the point.

It's a "body of work" issue. This adminstration has a 10-year-long body of work, and it's not anywhere close to championship caliber. It got close on a few occasions and, each time, regressed the next season.

The parts that keep changing aren't the cause of the problems. It's the parts that have stayed the same.