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The funniest thing about this thread is that our season ended 5-weeks ago.

After 5-weeks of pathetic play, talking big and performing lame, why are we wasting our time discussing this football team?
I for one, am done. And if you really want to make your voice heard, boycott them for the rest of the season. Don't buy tickets, don't go to any games, don't ask for any Redskins stuff for Christmas, stop watching the games on TV, nothing. Teams don't exist without fans. And why should we, the fans keep supporting a team that doesn't support us? This organization needs an enima from the top down. But, untill that happens, they won't get another penny from me. And I won't be wasting any of my time watching them lose on TV. They are an embarrasement to football, the NFL and the fans. I only wish I could make millions doing nothing.
Like our starting roster. I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

markshark84 wrote:Trust me, I too respect the fact that Danny boy wants to win. The only problem with it is that he has absolutely no clue how to do it --- and is too conceded/pompous to realize it or hire someone with the stones to stand up to him and tell him how to win and what he does wrong.

He's too conceded to let it happen in a way where the credit for building a winner would go to anyone other than him.

SkinFan63 wrote:After 5-weeks of pathetic play, talking big and performing lame, why are we wasting our time discussing this football team?
I for one, am done. And if you really want to make your voice heard, boycott them for the rest of the season. Don't buy tickets, don't go to any games, don't ask for any Redskins stuff for Christmas, stop watching the games on TV, nothing. Teams don't exist without fans. And why should we, the fans keep supporting a team that doesn't support us? This organization needs an enima from the top down. But, untill that happens, they won't get another penny from me. And I won't be wasting any of my time watching them lose on TV. They are an embarrasement to football, the NFL and the fans. I only wish I could make millions doing nothing.
Like our starting roster. I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

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SkinFan63 wrote:I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

I'm unfortunate enough to live in southeast Michigan (the second worst place on earth behind the middle east), and this is true. I'd trade places with a Detroit fan in a minute right now.

amadkins wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

I'm unfortunate enough to live in southeast Michigan (the second worst place on earth behind the middle east), and this is true. I'd trade places with a Detroit fan in a minute right now.

Go ahead, no one is stopping you ... it's one thing to bemoan how badly this team has played, it's another thing to be envious of a team that's going to go 0 AND 16 ... that's just insane.

Fios wrote:

amadkins wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

I'm unfortunate enough to live in southeast Michigan (the second worst place on earth behind the middle east), and this is true. I'd trade places with a Detroit fan in a minute right now.

Go ahead, no one is stopping you ... it's one thing to bemoan how badly this team has played, it's another thing to be envious of a team that's going to go 0 AND 16 ... that's just insane.

We look worse then the Lions do.

SkinFan63 wrote:

Fios wrote:

amadkins wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

I'm unfortunate enough to live in southeast Michigan (the second worst place on earth behind the middle east), and this is true. I'd trade places with a Detroit fan in a minute right now.

Go ahead, no one is stopping you ... it's one thing to bemoan how badly this team has played, it's another thing to be envious of a team that's going to go 0 AND 16 ... that's just insane.

We look worse then the Lions do.

Not envious, but the Lions play with more spirit and more heart then we do.
That, my friend, is insane.

There's no doubt in my mind if the Skins played the Lions now, the Lions would win.

SkinFan63 wrote:After 5-weeks of pathetic play, talking big and performing lame, why are we wasting our time discussing this football team?
I for one, am done. And if you really want to make your voice heard, boycott them for the rest of the season. Don't buy tickets, don't go to any games, don't ask for any Redskins stuff for Christmas, stop watching the games on TV, nothing. Teams don't exist without fans. And why should we, the fans keep supporting a team that doesn't support us? This organization needs an enima from the top down. But, untill that happens, they won't get another penny from me. And I won't be wasting any of my time watching them lose on TV. They are an embarrasement to football, the NFL and the fans. I only wish I could make millions doing nothing.
Like our starting roster. I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

I agree, I said this awhile ago, and I saw this pattern even when Gibbs here, and I got blasted for it. None of my money is going to that organization as long as Danny owns the team. Or Danny proves that he can win consistently, I am sick of this one year playoff, and we suck again the next year. Zorn is not the problem, bad lines equal bad team. Bad Qb plus bad lines equal horrendous offense. Here is what I think needs to be done.
We have a first round pick, third, and 4th.
1rst devote to the D-line they need to be upgraded like none other.
3rd- New Center
4th- New Guard
-Start the new center and plug in the new guard, thats two poitions taken care of. With the D-lineman plug him in and ether JT or one of the Dt's will be replaced. If he is a DT, still bench Taylor and put in anyone else.
Start Colt Brennan lets see what he can do.
-Trade JC he is not the guy, he has been here for four years. You can't make a career as a perpetual student.
-Heyer in over Jansen lets see what he can do, Rhinehart replace Pete.
-Sign another Running back, Portis does not have the build to carry the load over the whole course of the season. Thats why his body broke down. He can't carry the ball over twenty times a game, and have the same production level at the end of the season as he did in the beginning. He does not have the build for that.
-Get rid of Betts
We have more holes, but one can't fix them all in one off season. ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN ONE DAY.

grampi wrote:There's no doubt in my mind if the Skins played the Lions now, the Lions would win.

BINGO!!!!!
Isn't that beyond sad?

Over the next two games I would like to see what Rock can do as a punt returner, I think he deserves a chance to get a look at it. He is one of the few players that has heart on this team.

John Manfreda wrote:

SkinFan63 wrote:After 5-weeks of pathetic play, talking big and performing lame, why are we wasting our time discussing this football team?
I for one, am done. And if you really want to make your voice heard, boycott them for the rest of the season. Don't buy tickets, don't go to any games, don't ask for any Redskins stuff for Christmas, stop watching the games on TV, nothing. Teams don't exist without fans. And why should we, the fans keep supporting a team that doesn't support us? This organization needs an enima from the top down. But, untill that happens, they won't get another penny from me. And I won't be wasting any of my time watching them lose on TV. They are an embarrasement to football, the NFL and the fans. I only wish I could make millions doing nothing.
Like our starting roster. I am ashamed to even wear my Redskin clothes in public, because I know people are laughing at me.
How putrid is that?
The Detroit Lions try harder then we do.

I agree, I said this awhile ago, and I saw this pattern even when Gibbs here, and I got blasted for it. None of my money is going to that organization as long as Danny owns the team. Or Danny proves that he can win consistently, I am sick of this one year playoff, and we suck again the next year. Zorn is not the problem, bad lines equal bad team. Bad Qb plus bad lines equal horrendous offense. Here is what I think needs to be done.
We have a first round pick, third, and 4th.
1rst devote to the D-line they need to be upgraded like none other.
3rd- New Center
4th- New Guard
-Start the new center and plug in the new guard, thats two poitions taken care of. With the D-lineman plug him in and ether JT or one of the Dt's will be replaced. If he is a DT, still bench Taylor and put in anyone else.
Start Colt Brennan lets see what he can do.
-Trade JC he is not the guy, he has been here for four years. You can't make a career as a perpetual student.
-Heyer in over Jansen lets see what he can do, Rhinehart replace Pete.
-Sign another Running back, Portis does not have the build to carry the load over the whole course of the season. Thats why his body broke down. He can't carry the ball over twenty times a game, and have the same production level at the end of the season as he did in the beginning. He does not have the build for that.
-Get rid of Betts
We have more holes, but one can't fix them all in one off season. ROME WAS NOT BUILT IN ONE DAY.

I say we keep Betts. He is younger and if given the chance, better then Portis. Look what he did for us last season.
Ditch Campbell, and let Collins have a turn. We can always get a third stringer to back up Brennon.

John Manfreda wrote:Over the next two games I would like to see what Rock can do as a punt returner, I think he deserves a chance to get a look at it. He is one of the few players that has heart on this team.

I posted this earlier....look what he can do as a kick off returner?
He was amazing today.
Give him the punts too.
Send ARE packing!

Jim Zorn's inexperience really shows as a first year head coach. I think this team would be in a lot better position if Zorn was the OC with Fassel as the Head Coach.

That said, I think Jim Zorn will be okay, it seems like all the players (with the notable exception of CP) like him a lot. Hopefully we're done with the growing pains.

You're assuming that Zorn will be back. I wouldn't be so sure about that. If we drop the next too games I think that Zorn is gone.

amadkins wrote:I'm unfortunate enough to live in southeast Michigan (the second worst place on earth behind the middle east), and this is true. I'd trade places with a Detroit fan in a minute right now.=

Fios wrote:Go ahead, no one is stopping you ... it's one thing to bemoan how badly this team has played, it's another thing to be envious of a team that's going to go 0 AND 16 ... that's just insane.

Detoit played the Colts tough today; what did we do? The insanity is the continued monetary support Dan Snyder gets from us while his franchise does nothing but produce fecal matter on Sundays. How sad it is that this comparison even came up at all. The skins suck badly and will continue to do so for a long time.

amadkins wrote:

amadkins wrote:I'm unfortunate enough to live in southeast Michigan (the second worst place on earth behind the middle east), and this is true. I'd trade places with a Detroit fan in a minute right now.=

Fios wrote:Go ahead, no one is stopping you ... it's one thing to bemoan how badly this team has played, it's another thing to be envious of a team that's going to go 0 AND 16 ... that's just insane.

Detoit played the Colts tough today; what did we do? The insanity is the continued monetary support Dan Snyder gets from us while his franchise does nothing but produce fecal matter on Sundays. How sad it is that this comparison even came up at all. The skins suck badly and will continue to do so for a long time.

We did nothing TODAY except lose to the 2nd worse team in the NFL.
For us I guess, that's an accomplishment!

amadkins wrote:

amadkins wrote:I'm unfortunate enough to live in southeast Michigan (the second worst place on earth behind the middle east), and this is true. I'd trade places with a Detroit fan in a minute right now.=

Fios wrote:Go ahead, no one is stopping you ... it's one thing to bemoan how badly this team has played, it's another thing to be envious of a team that's going to go 0 AND 16 ... that's just insane.

Detoit played the Colts tough today; what did we do? The insanity is the continued monetary support Dan Snyder gets from us while his franchise does nothing but produce fecal matter on Sundays. How sad it is that this comparison even came up at all. The skins suck badly and will continue to do so for a long time.

Like I said, the door is open

i think its a little early to start cheering for detroit. Although Calvin is exciting.

markshark84 wrote:[I wouldn't downplay our need for a quality QB. JC had the opportunity in this game to make plays. I think that because he is such a likeable guy people give him more credit than he deserves and do make excuses for him. He is just not the leader we need.

Yeah you're so right. This is the second week in a row where JC has fumbled on our side of the field giving the opponent an easy score. And I could not BELIEVE that he fumbled on the goal line, giving up the game tying score! What a sucky QB!!!!!

Oh wait. That wasn't Jason Campbell was it? My bad.

This team has so many problems....

there is the obvious- terrible, awful offensive and defensive line play.

the half @$$ed secondary play....

Jason Campbell's uncanny ability to hang on to the ball for waaaay too long...

in gentle terms, the questionable play calling.....

but let's look at the real downfall of the Washington Redskins...

Daniel Snyder.

Yes, they made the playoffs 2 times since he bought the team. But were they ever really going to do anything either time? Mark Brunell, Todd Collins?

What the hell was the 2008 draft they had? a terrible waste of picks, after trading away picks for years...

Yes he spends money. On Deon Sanders. Bruce Smith. Brandon Lloyd. Mark Brunell. the list goes on. what did any of these players ever bring us.

The point is that Daniel Snyder will never bring us a winner. NEVER. He is the worst owner in the league. worse than Al Davis. and that is bad.

Jim Zorn will not succeed here (or Cerrato, waste of time and money to be danny's pissing boy) as a direct result of who owns this team.

It is a sad, sad state of affairs.

I have no faith that The Danny and Vinny C will get this right. I hope they do but have no faith.

I will also add, as unfortunate as it is to say, that the fans at FedEx this year have been a big disappointment.

90,000 strong and we can't get any emotion going at home?

I have been to every home game, and for the most part, people sit around as though they were in a neighbor's backyard sipping on Zima and watching the kids swim in the pool. No one even notices that there is a game going on until it is too late.

I am sure this doesn't apply to most of you, but I have seen way too many fans that don't have any emotion during home games.

sec 450....

St. Louis? Pittsburgh? Dallas? NYG???

Where is the loud and proud fanbase that used to be a presence at our home field?

jdubya wrote:I will also add, as unfortunate as it is to say, that the fans at FedEx this year have been a big disappointment.

90,000 strong and we can't get any emotion going at home?

I have been to every home game, and for the most part, people sit around as though they were in a neighbor's backyard sipping on Zima and watching the kids swim in the pool. No one even notices that there is a game going on until it is too late.

I am sure this doesn't apply to most of you, but I have seen way too many fans that don't have any emotion during home games.

sec 450....

St. Louis? Pittsburgh? Dallas? NYG???

Where is the loud and proud fanbase that used to be a presence at our home field?

I am of the belief that the Redskins have one of the worst home field crowds in the game.

riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:[I wouldn't downplay our need for a quality QB. JC had the opportunity in this game to make plays. I think that because he is such a likeable guy people give him more credit than he deserves and do make excuses for him. He is just not the leader we need.

Yeah you're so right. This is the second week in a row where JC has fumbled on our side of the field giving the opponent an easy score. And I could not BELIEVE that he fumbled on the goal line, giving up the game tying score! What a sucky QB!!!!!

Oh wait. That wasn't Jason Campbell was it? My bad.

Obviously all of the blame doesn't fall on JC's shoulder,s but he is definitely part of the problem. 20 qb's have more td's than he does right now. This includes two rookies, Tyler Thigpen, Kyle Orton, and Matt Schaub, who has only started 8 games. Shaun Hill, who has only played in 6 games, only has one less td than JC. JC's qb rating is solid but that doesn't really matter if you aren't making any plays and aren't scoring any points.