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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:52 pm
by Sir_Monk
Thundersloth wrote:Mursilis wrote:Thundersloth wrote:If Snyder is a fan then he should sell the team because we need an owner, not a fan. He has continually made bad decisions overall and I'm tired of seeing my favorite team struggle because of the position the front office has put them in.
So bringing Gibbs back and giving him free reign to run football operations was a bad decision?
Gibbs made it to the playoffs twice, which was good, but this was an entirely different NFL than when Gibbs left it. So in the final analysis, no, it wasn't a really bad decision, and that is why I said Snyder has made bad decisions overall, I didn't say all of his decisions have been bad ones.
Do you think hiring Spurrier was a good decision? Do you think firing Norv in the middle of a playoff run was a good decision? Do you think hiring coordinators BEFORE your head coach was a good decsion?
His worst move was getting rid of Marty.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:52 pm
by fredp45
let me ask -- Chad Johnson hands that ball to Hines Ward or Steve Smith in the same situation (that is, late in the game, Pitts or Carolina is losing and playing terrible), what do they do?? Laugh it off, hold the ball high in the air, etc...? I don't believe so. They get up and ram the ball down his throat and get 15--but at least our guys show fire, heart. Our players don't seem to have that "gotta-win" this game attitude...
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:52 pm
by Fios
Sir_Monk wrote:Fios wrote:A small example of what really irks me about this team was Suisham kicking the ball out of bounds ... AGAIN ... and the little chat he had with Danny Smith and the aw shucks look on his face. I want to see Suisham cursing up a storm and kicking everything in sight while Smith (who needs to be fired) reads him the riot act. I mean that to happen even once is inexcusable and this is, what, at least the third time he's done that?
I did not watch the game, was anyone laughing it up on the sidelines in the closing minutes like last week against Baltimore?
I turned it off in the fourth quarter, fortunately I had to go to work
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:53 pm
by Wahoo McDaniels
The level of dysfunction on this team only belongs on Jerry Springer....that's a result of the coach and, by extension, management.
This team needs to be completely restructured, starting with the owner and his personal advisor.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:53 pm
by Thundersloth
grampi wrote:This team has been cursed ever since it left the Cooke family. I still don't understand why John didn't just leave this team to his son.
I heard that John fell out of favor with Jack for whatever reason which might be why it left the Cooke family.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:58 pm
by RedskinsFreak
Sir_Monk wrote:His worst move was getting rid of Marty.
But Marty shut out Danny from all aspects of the football operation, which meant Danny didn't have direct access, and he didn't "have any fun."
One year later, Marty's out and Danny's puppet is back in.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:01 pm
by skinsfan#33
grampi wrote:This team has been cursed ever since it left the Cooke family. I still don't understand why John didn't just leave this team to his son.
it was coursed way before that.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:02 pm
by Redskin in Canada
Poor execution.
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Poor play calling.
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Poor leadership.
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Poor OL.
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Poor DL.
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Poor QB.
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No surprises.
I have not felt this depressed about the Skins in a hell of a long time. And I thought I was ready for a miserable season to start with ...
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:03 pm
by aswas71788
So many times I read about someone saying Gibbs was so great. He wasn't!! The offense suxed, there was always player issues (Ramsey, Pierce, Brunell, Clark, Arrington, Archuleta, Lloyd,etc.), there was infighting amongst the coaches, the offense suxed as bad as this one does. Gibbs let good players go, made trades giving up draft picks and brought in bad replacements. Don't make Gibbs 2nd tenure out to be someyhing it wasn't. I don't wish for Gibbs back. We would just have a continuation of bad coaching.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:10 pm
by skinsfan#33
I have always been one of those people that thought Campbell just needed to be developed. Well he is done. He isn't getting any better. He make dumb decisions! Doesn't make plays. And plays slow.
This team needs to have an open competion next off season.
I can't see Campbell ever being anything but an average QB. He was performed by Ran Fittsfingpatric!
And the Defense let the team done this week, pure and simple.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:11 pm
by Thundersloth
aswas71788 wrote:So many times I read about someone saying Gibbs was so great. He wasn't!! The offense suxed, there was always player issues (Ramsey, Pierce, Brunell, Clark, Arrington, Archuleta, Lloyd,etc.), there was infighting amongst the coaches, the offense suxed as bad as this one does. Gibbs let good players go, made trades giving up draft picks and brought in bad replacements. Don't make Gibbs 2nd tenure out to be someyhing it wasn't. I don't wish for Gibbs back. We would just have a continuation of bad coaching.
Having said that, he's the only HC to get us to the playoffs under Dannyboy.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:20 pm
by Thundersloth
RedskinsFreak wrote:Sir_Monk wrote:His worst move was getting rid of Marty.
But Marty shut out Danny from all aspects of the football operation, which meant Danny didn't have direct access, and he didn't "have any fun."
One year later, Marty's out and Danny's puppet is back in.
Did you read this article? It seems that after Marty fought back to end up 8-8 Danny had rehired Vinny before he actually fired Marty. So Vinny knew Marty was gone before Marty.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/10/AR2005081002181.html
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:35 pm
by The Dancing Bear
I can't imagine what the scene will be next week at FedUp when Philly comes in. There very well may be as many Philly fans as Skins fans, and if the "Boy King" gives a crap, he should let Football Men (and not Vinny Crapotto) build this team and get the hell out of the way....
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:36 pm
by Skinsfan55
Sir_Monk wrote:His worst move was getting rid of Marty.
DING DING DING!
This is from The Curly R:
Year one [of Schottenheimer] would be to dump as many expensive contracts as possible, take the dead cap hit while installing the offensive and defensive systems and using known quantity veterans to hold the line. Gone were Mark Carrier and Deion Sanders and Brad Johnson and Tre Johnson and Adrian Murrell and Dana Stubblefield and Larry Centers and their contracts. In were Donnell Bennett and Ki-Jana Carter Tony Banks and Kevin Lockett and Eric Metcalf, all affordable or veteran players with small contracts.
Year two would be the year the team made a run at the free agents needed to exploit the systems and year three would be the year the Redskins were a seriously dangerous team.
Lo and behold... look what Marty did with the Chargers! Two below average seasons followed by 12 wins. The Chargers were and remain a very talented team (with serious injury problems this season.)
If Marty hadn't been undercut by his GM who knows how good they'd be now.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:37 pm
by Sir_Monk
The Dancing Bear wrote:I can't imagine what the scene will be next week at FedUp when Philly comes in. There very well may be as many Philly fans as Skins fans, and if the "Boy King" gives a crap, he should let Football Men (and not Vinny Crapotto) build this team and get the hell out of the way....
But Vinny has two rings!
"I do have a national championship ring and a Super Bowl ring, you know." (Cerrato was director of college scouting for the 49ers in 1994, the season San Francisco last won a Super Bowl. He was also recruiting coordinator under Lou Holtz in 1988 during Notre Dame's national championship season.)
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:39 pm
by The Dancing Bear
Sir_Monk wrote:The Dancing Bear wrote:I can't imagine what the scene will be next week at FedUp when Philly comes in. There very well may be as many Philly fans as Skins fans, and if the "Boy King" gives a crap, he should let Football Men (and not Vinny Crapotto) build this team and get the hell out of the way....
But Vinny has two rings!
"I do have a national championship ring and a Super Bowl ring, you know." (Cerrato was director of college scouting for the 49ers in 1994, the season San Francisco last won a Super Bowl. He was also recruiting coordinator under Lou Holtz in 1988 during Notre Dame's national championship season.)
..Maybe so, but he still blows when it comes to the job he is doing now.
Sellers Got Screwed
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:39 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Mike's forward progress was obviously stopped, the whistle should've been blown.
Re: Sellers Got Screwed
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:40 pm
by markshark84
Gibbs4Life wrote:Mike's forward progress was obviously stopped, the whistle should've been blown.
Does it even matter? We deserved to lose that game anyway.
Re: Sellers Got Screwed
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:42 pm
by The Dancing Bear
Gibbs4Life wrote:Mike's forward progress was obviously stopped, the whistle should've been blown.
You got that right..I said that at the time it happened. Not that the game would have ended differently, but...who knows..
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:45 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Even I am speechless. I can't think of anything positive besides Rock had a killer return.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:48 pm
by DEHog
Aren't the Redskins who we thought they were an 8-8 team...I think many of you just elevated your expectations after the 6-2 start. If funy how 8-8 can look...had we started 2-6 and pull even at 7-7 I think it be a different story.
Also I hope I'm wrong but was Zorn trying to send a message by give the ball to Sellers on the goaline??
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:49 pm
by Sir_Monk
The Dancing Bear wrote:Sir_Monk wrote:The Dancing Bear wrote:I can't imagine what the scene will be next week at FedUp when Philly comes in. There very well may be as many Philly fans as Skins fans, and if the "Boy King" gives a crap, he should let Football Men (and not Vinny Crapotto) build this team and get the hell out of the way....
But Vinny has two rings!
"I do have a national championship ring and a Super Bowl ring, you know." (Cerrato was director of college scouting for the 49ers in 1994, the season San Francisco last won a Super Bowl. He was also recruiting coordinator under Lou Holtz in 1988 during Notre Dame's national championship season.)
..Maybe so, but he still blows when it comes to the job he is doing now.
sorry had to fix that
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:49 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:50 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Those we're the worst officials in the world. Forward progress, they blew the call before and didn't want to admit another blunder.
The game would've been different, our D was fired up at that point.
Now we need to lose the next two on purpose for draft positioning. First pick Andre' Smith Alabama. Sure would rather have Percy Harvin from florida than Devin I Suck Thomas
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:51 pm
by Fios
DEHog wrote:Aren't the Redskins who we thought they were an 8-8 team...I think many of you just elevated your expectations after the 6-2 start. If funy how 8-8 can look...had we started 2-6 and pull even at 7-7 I think it be a different story.
Also I hope I'm wrong but was Zorn trying to send a message by give the ball to Sellers on the goaline??
Yes, I thought this was optimistically a 9-7 team and, yes, they fooled me for a bit but to lose the way they have been losing is pathetic. It's one thing to play at your actual talent level, it's another to play without inspiration.
