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riggofan wrote:Our last four games are all winnable. Personally I expected to lose to NY last weekend, but I think we can beat the Ravens on Sunday.

7 points. If our defense can hold teams to under 7 points, we'll win the superbowl. If not, we'll be lucky to finish over .500.

RIGGO, Ok, so we have fighting chance against other teams that have to play some harder teams. We have a chance to make the play offs. .....and what? Who would we play in the play offs? Probably not predictable now but I'm sure the #1 teams gets a bye so its probably the #2 team.....who will that be? Bucks #2, Vikes #3, Cardinals #4, Panthers #5, Falcons #6, Dallas #7,
Then us at #8. Bucs are 9-3, Our best chance of getting out of round 1 is either the Vikes who just lost 2 DT's or the Cardinals again.
Can we get to round 2....I doubt it but anything is possible. I bet we don't get to far after round 1 though.

riggofan wrote:This doomsday stuff happened on this board last year too. The team was struggling and people immediately said no way do we make the playoffs. NO WAY. You really have to look at the remaining games and also the games of the other teams in the hunt.

I'm not saying that we WILL make the playoffs. But I think we still have as much of a chance or better than some of the other teams still trying to make it.

Our last four games are all winnable. Personally I expected to lose to NY last weekend, but I think we can beat the Ravens on Sunday.

ATL still has to play Tampa, Minn, and NO. Not only are those all tough games but those are all contending teams who are going to beat each other up.

Dallas still has to play Steelers, Baltimore and the Giants.

Either way this season has exceeded my expectations. I'm still hoping we make the playoffs.

I don't want to go to the playoffs and suck wind like we did at Seattle last year. To me, that's worse than not going. It puts us at a lower draft pick and also embarrasses to put so muhc forth and then self-destruct in the WildCard.

riggofan wrote:This doomsday stuff happened on this board last year too. The team was struggling and people immediately said no way do we make the playoffs. NO WAY. You really have to look at the remaining games and also the games of the other teams in the hunt.

I'm not saying that we WILL make the playoffs. But I think we still have as much of a chance or better than some of the other teams still trying to make it.

Our last four games are all winnable. Personally I expected to lose to NY last weekend, but I think we can beat the Ravens on Sunday.

ATL still has to play Tampa, Minn, and NO. Not only are those all tough games but those are all contending teams who are going to beat each other up.

Dallas still has to play Steelers, Baltimore and the Giants.

Either way this season has exceeded my expectations. I'm still hoping we make the playoffs.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of going, of course, but I see the likelihood as exceedingly small. I do not think the Ravens game is as winnable as some might think, and I have my doubts about their ability to beat the Iggles as well.

Agreed. Let's just quit now so we can draft Tim Tebow/Sam Bradford/Matthew Stafford/Graham Harrell.

Sorry, I'm just in one of those moods, lol.

SkinsFreak wrote:

Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?[/quote]

uhhh.....yes

(d)oink wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?

uhhh.....yes

uhhh ... you were alone in that ... or at least in a very small minority. I'm generally pretty optimistic about the team's chances but to seriously consider the team a Super Bowl contender going into the season requires some relatively delusional thinking.

Fios wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?

uhhh.....yes

uhhh ... you were alone in that ... or at least in a very small minority. I'm generally pretty optimistic about the team's chances but to seriously consider the team a Super Bowl contender going into the season requires some relatively delusional thinking.

So I guess the Giants and their fans were totally dilusional last year.

The way I see it, you've got at least 1/32 of a probability of winning the thing. Those are good odds.

El Mexican wrote:

Fios wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?

uhhh.....yes

uhhh ... you were alone in that ... or at least in a very small minority. I'm generally pretty optimistic about the team's chances but to seriously consider the team a Super Bowl contender going into the season requires some relatively delusional thinking.

So I guess the Giants and their fans were totally dilusional last year.

The way I see it, you've got at least 1/32 of a probability of winning the thing. Those are good odds.

Where is 1/32 good odds? Not to anyone I've talked to.

El Mexican wrote:The way I see it, you've got at least 1/32 of a probability of winning the thing. Those are good odds.

They could score more than 7 points a game.

El Mexican wrote:

Fios wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?

uhhh.....yes

uhhh ... you were alone in that ... or at least in a very small minority. I'm generally pretty optimistic about the team's chances but to seriously consider the team a Super Bowl contender going into the season requires some relatively delusional thinking.

So I guess the Giants and their fans were totally dilusional last year.

The way I see it, you've got at least 1/32 of a probability of winning the thing. Those are good odds.

A .03 chance of winning is NOT good odds. In fact, that's incredibly bad odds. I know several Giants fans who have freely admitted last season was a complete surprise to them. The fact that they won doesn't prove a thing.

We hired an Offensive Guru for our head coach, and our offense in november has looked bad, I've seen worse ...boonell anyone?, but our offense I believe is hurt by the lack of dominance on the line of scrimmage. In september and october our line was rollin and controllin', and in november they have been manhandled making me have nightmares of the preseason game in carolina again. Dear God if we do rally in december and make the playoffs please don't have us play carolina. What was the score 75-0?

We need some dominant performances from our O-Line, if there is one guy in the organization whose opinion I'd like to hear its Joe Bugel.

I talked to a friend of mine who works for the team and I said "man we have to win in baltimore" and he shook his head and said "they're done" I said "what do you mean?" he said that it's all about Jason Campbell and the thinking is that he's not the guy because he is too reliant on check downs (boonell anyone?)

Now to me that is unfair because if our line was dominant as it should be, we are afterall the mothertrucking Washington Redskins, if our oline was dominant Jason could sit back and wait for ey or Moss or El to get open, but as it is we need some protection after that you start to look at the rookies for production but not while Jason is on his backside.

I talked to a friend of mine who works for the team and I said "man we have to win in baltimore" and he shook his head and said "they're done" I said "what do you mean?" he said that it's all about Jason Campbell and the thinking is that he's not the guy because he is too reliant on check downs (boonell anyone?)

There is nothing wrong with using the checkdowns. If you are still gaining 4-5 yards at a pop, you are still moving the ball. That is part of the scheme of the WCO. The problem is, Jason doesn't find his checkdowns quickly or consistently enough. If he did, it would slow down the pass rush.

It appears that the game has just not slowed down for him... add the pathetic protection from the O-line, and you have one sack or busted pass after another.

He ain't got it.

Countertrey wrote:

I talked to a friend of mine who works for the team and I said "man we have to win in baltimore" and he shook his head and said "they're done" I said "what do you mean?" he said that it's all about Jason Campbell and the thinking is that he's not the guy because he is too reliant on check downs (boonell anyone?)

There is nothing wrong with using the checkdowns. If you are still gaining 4-5 yards at a pop, you are still moving the ball. That is part of the scheme of the WCO. The problem is, Jason doesn't find his checkdowns quickly or consistently enough. If he did, it would slow down the pass rush.

It appears that the game has just not slowed down for him... add the pathetic protection from the O-line, and you have one sack or busted pass after another.

He ain't got it.

Uh oh, Ray figured out CT's password.

El Mexican wrote:

Fios wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?

uhhh.....yes

uhhh ... you were alone in that ... or at least in a very small minority. I'm generally pretty optimistic about the team's chances but to seriously consider the team a Super Bowl contender going into the season requires some relatively delusional thinking.

So I guess the Giants and their fans were totally dilusional last year.

The way I see it, you've got at least 1/32 of a probability of winning the thing. Those are good odds.

I think every member on this board would love to see the Skins go to the SB. I thing every member on this board has , for lack of a better word, a wish that the Skins make the SB. However if you truely expected the Skins to make the playoffs and SB this year then you were not using common sense. Common sense says a team with a new coach, new coaching staff, and new scheme will take 2-3 yrs to get rolling. Most experts had the Skins placed last due to the new changes. Most experts know it takes approximatly 2-3 yrs to learn a new scheme and be proficiant. Thats why we gave Al Saunders a "bye" his first year figuring it would take atleast a yr to learn his 700 page playbook. The problem was the second year showed no improvement.
As for the Giants.....please. The Giants did not start last year with a new head coach, new coaching staff, and new scheme. They had been in the same scheme for what 2-3 years? The expectation of them going to the SB was not there because everyone felt the head coach was about out the door cause of the animosity. They found a way to pull it all together and make a run. So yes they truely supprised people but there was an expectation they should have been doing well all along since they were in the 2nd or 3rd season under the same coach and scheme. The Skins expectation was to be last in the division by the experts as well as some of us. They supprised a lot of us by doing so well early on and because of this our expectations changed. We felt that through the year if they kept getting better yes we might have a good shot at going far in the playoffs due to the talent level and how well they were doing. Unfortunatly now the team is playing up or down to all the experts expectation of where the team should be instead of progessively getting better.
I'm not trying to be negative. I'm trying to be honest and point out that I keep hearing play offs and SB and am simply pointing out that this team was not expected and is not showing that they should be there. Simply squeeking out wins and sliding by does not make a SB team. Dominating atleast on one side of the ball usually gets you there and lately it's been the offensive side. Years ago yes defense won. Now your starting to see Offenses putting up 40-50 points per game and those same offenses are finding ways to score against the best defenses. If you can't match a team point for point you lose. The Skins have a hard time scoring 7-20 points in a game let alone go up against a team putting 40-50 points on the board. Also we are not dominating either side of the ball. It's obvious our offense is not dominating, but our defense has no pass rush. For what ever reason our secondary falls a sleep once and awhile. Smoot and Springs have not been living up to their billing lately. Rogers and Hall may work out well for the long haul. Landry....what can I say. He has not been ball hawking this year. Hell he has not been mack truck hitting either. The team hs no 2 min. drill. No pass rush. No sense of urgency. No "Focus." They will not go anywhere with out focus.

Fios wrote:I'm not ruling out the possibility of going, of course, but I see the likelihood as exceedingly small. I do not think the Ravens game is as winnable as some might think, and I have my doubts about their ability to beat the Iggles as well.

I agree the Ravens game is probably a loss, but the Eagles? Hard to say. They're as schizophrenic as the 'skins - great sometimes, awful other times. It's definitely a winnable game, especially if they've got nothing to play for.

We are going to lose them all if we don't score more than 7 points. There is nothing that is going to be changed to make me believe we will score more than 7 points except for teams sucking worse than we do. The sad thing is, we will find a way (penalties, drops) to make up for their shortcomings.

7 points. SEVEN.

But I know someone will say, Chris u really think we'll only score 7 points a game for the rest of the season...? And I'd have to reply with, it's very possible, .

Fios wrote:

(d)oink wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?

uhhh.....yes

uhhh ... you were alone in that ... or at least in a very small minority. I'm generally pretty optimistic about the team's chances but to seriously consider the team a Super Bowl contender going into the season requires some relatively delusional thinking.

Early in the season, after back-to-back road wins against the Cowboys and the Eagles, they looked like SB contenders, and not just to the homer crowd. Of course, that was back when the offense was clicking - they put up 20+ points four games in a row, something they haven't done since. The last time they scored more than 20 points, it wasn't even Halloween yet. At one time, this team looked like it was on the verge of catching fire and really making a SB run. Too bad they seemed to have peaked, and are heading downhill with a vengence.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't want to go to the playoffs and suck wind like we did at Seattle last year. To me, that's worse than not going. It puts us at a lower draft pick and also embarrasses to put so muhc forth and then self-destruct in the WildCard.

At first, I thought that way too, but at least making the playoffs this year after making them last year would show something this team hasn't shown in forever - consistency. The maddening thing about Gibbs II, and every coach before him, was the inconsistency year-to-year. 10-6 in 2005 was followed by 5-11 in 2006, and then an upswing again last year at 9-7. Hitting 9-7 (or better) again this year would, IMHO, help the psyche of this team. Good teams consistently make the postseason, not just ride one good year to glory followed by another year of floundering (Exhibit A: The New Orleans Saints). I'd like to see this team show some sort of consistency and steady progress, and not be such a classic "one-year wonder".

Mursilis wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't want to go to the playoffs and suck wind like we did at Seattle last year. To me, that's worse than not going. It puts us at a lower draft pick and also embarrasses to put so muhc forth and then self-destruct in the WildCard.

At first, I thought that way too, but at least making the playoffs this year after making them last year would show something this team hasn't shown in forever - consistency. The maddening thing about Gibbs II, and every coach before him, was the inconsistency year-to-year. 10-6 in 2005 was followed by 5-11 in 2006, and then an upswing again last year at 9-7. Hitting 9-7 (or better) again this year would, IMHO, help the psyche of this team. Good teams consistently make the postseason, not just ride one good year to glory followed by another year of floundering (Exhibit A: The New Orleans Saints). I'd like to see this team show some sort of consistency and steady progress, and not be such a classic "one-year wonder".

Getting to the playoffs and choking out in the WildCard consistantly is not progress, and that's what I'm afraid of. When we DID win a playoff game, we set a record for the least amount of yards for a playoff win. That's not progress.

Also, you can ask the Eagles about getting to the playoffs or the big show and not getting it done goes...

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't want to go to the playoffs and suck wind like we did at Seattle last year. To me, that's worse than not going. It puts us at a lower draft pick and also embarrasses to put so muhc forth and then self-destruct in the WildCard.

At first, I thought that way too, but at least making the playoffs this year after making them last year would show something this team hasn't shown in forever - consistency. The maddening thing about Gibbs II, and every coach before him, was the inconsistency year-to-year. 10-6 in 2005 was followed by 5-11 in 2006, and then an upswing again last year at 9-7. Hitting 9-7 (or better) again this year would, IMHO, help the psyche of this team. Good teams consistently make the postseason, not just ride one good year to glory followed by another year of floundering (Exhibit A: The New Orleans Saints). I'd like to see this team show some sort of consistency and steady progress, and not be such a classic "one-year wonder".

Getting to the playoffs and choking out in the WildCard consistantly is not progress, and that's what I'm afraid of. When we DID win a playoff game, we set a record for the least amount of yards for a playoff win. That's not progress.

Also, you can ask the Eagles about getting to the playoffs or the big show and not getting it done goes...

Maybe, but we haven't even done that yet. Do you realize this team hasn't had back-to-back playoff seasons, or even back-to-back winning seasons, since 91-92? Baby steps, my fellow fans, baby steps.

Mursilis wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't want to go to the playoffs and suck wind like we did at Seattle last year. To me, that's worse than not going. It puts us at a lower draft pick and also embarrasses to put so muhc forth and then self-destruct in the WildCard.

At first, I thought that way too, but at least making the playoffs this year after making them last year would show something this team hasn't shown in forever - consistency. The maddening thing about Gibbs II, and every coach before him, was the inconsistency year-to-year. 10-6 in 2005 was followed by 5-11 in 2006, and then an upswing again last year at 9-7. Hitting 9-7 (or better) again this year would, IMHO, help the psyche of this team. Good teams consistently make the postseason, not just ride one good year to glory followed by another year of floundering (Exhibit A: The New Orleans Saints). I'd like to see this team show some sort of consistency and steady progress, and not be such a classic "one-year wonder".

So please tell me your not one of the ones who bashes Dallas for making the playoffs year after year to only lose. cause that would be consistancy.

Speaking of playoffs year after year.....I didn't know who Jordan was when the Wizards hired him but thought cool were in the playoffs. Then the following year cool playoffs. and again cool playoffs. Then like last year I felt totally different ....I was like oh....he's back again. This year I was really suprised the team didn't fire him and then they did. I just hope they don't wind up missing the playoffs for the next few years now. LOL. A totally weird emotionally state I'm in about that team as well.

VRIEL1 wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't want to go to the playoffs and suck wind like we did at Seattle last year. To me, that's worse than not going. It puts us at a lower draft pick and also embarrasses to put so muhc forth and then self-destruct in the WildCard.

At first, I thought that way too, but at least making the playoffs this year after making them last year would show something this team hasn't shown in forever - consistency. The maddening thing about Gibbs II, and every coach before him, was the inconsistency year-to-year. 10-6 in 2005 was followed by 5-11 in 2006, and then an upswing again last year at 9-7. Hitting 9-7 (or better) again this year would, IMHO, help the psyche of this team. Good teams consistently make the postseason, not just ride one good year to glory followed by another year of floundering (Exhibit A: The New Orleans Saints). I'd like to see this team show some sort of consistency and steady progress, and not be such a classic "one-year wonder".

So please tell me your not one of the ones who bashes Dallas for making the playoffs year after year to only lose. cause that would be consistancy.

I bash Dallas for every possible reason - they're DALLAS!

SkinsFreak wrote:Agreed, and if we made the playoffs and lost, folks would just be up in arms again. Did anyone seriously expect this team to be a Super Bowl contender this year with a rookie head coach and a new offense?

I can't speak for anybody else, but in my case their amazing start DID have me thinking some strange and lofty thoughts.