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RayNAustin wrote:If you look at Romo as a comparison, he's far more elusive, and makes plays by avoiding the pressure, buying time for receivers to get open. He also makes plays when about to get sacked, like that shovel pass that got a first down that led to a score. That was a third down play, and that little shovel pass kept the drive alive that led to a TD. That was all Romo, and those are the little things that he does that wind up being the difference. Campbell doesn't do enough of those type of things which can change outcomes of games.

I'll agree that Romo CAN BE elusive when he has to be, but last night, he didn't have to be - the pressure simply wasn't there. I may have missed some plays, but by my count, he was only knocked to the ground twice. Most of the time, he was throwing the ball in space, with plenty of time and not on the run. It was just night and day watching the kind of time Romo had, and the kind of time Campbell didn't.

I know you're refusing to believe that Campbell has any real talent, but the facts show the otherwise. Despite both QBs having leaky lines, JC's actually got a higher passer rating than Peyton Manning. If he actually had some time, JC would be fine, as most QBs at this level would be. Kerry Collins, a career 73 rating-passer, is even looking good behind a solid line. If you really can't believe that even a great QB needs time, look at Tom Brady's Super Bowl numbers. He gets great protection all the 2007 season, breaks all sorts of records, and posts an amazing 117 rating. Yet in the Super Bowl, his line starts breaking down, and he's harrassed most of the game by the Giants D. What happens? His rating drops to 82. It's all about the protection.

Most of the teams that run a westcoast system are struggling this year.

Coincidence?

Our run game has kept us in the winners bracket, the pass game has been incosistant most of the season. The last 2 teams we have faced have known CP was hurt and it shows. Take a look at the percentage of blitzes/off. plays we have faced the last 2 weeks, its doubled. Everyone knows JC has had a good season but, by westcoast standards, he still gets the ball out terribly slow. Linebackers are coming straight upfield, without hesitation on every snap. look at the amount of stunts were seeing now, when the run game is clicking, stunts will get you burned.

I think the play-calling was Zorn's adjustment to what the defense was giving and what JC seemed to be able to execute last night, regardless of the reason for it.

I'd still like to see more deep crossing routes, we hit 1 last night for 28 yards and that was poorly thrown (go back and look that ball was behind Randal-El)

The ball that was thrown deep into coverage should have been thrown to Santanas outside shoulder MORE than it was, away from the coverage. Santana still got his hands on it but, if that ball is thrown 2-3 yards to the outside , the defender is out of position and has to "interfere" to make a play. Santana adjusts to a ball in flight as good as any top reciever in the NFL, rather than put him in a jump ball situation, allow him to adjust and make a play, lead him away from the DB.

I still dont see us playing to our strengths as much as we are trying to implement a system as written on paper. The run game is fine and should not be changed other than the use of Sellers in goal to go situations
(which we started last night)

I said in a post before the Cleveland game our defense vulnerable to runs off tackle, in my mind that was a ticking time bomb, last night it went off.
Our LB's and DB's struggled getting off blocks last night which absolutely killed us, thats a new problem to rear its ugly head and must be corrected immediately. Evans was getting jammed into the tackle and trapped there allowing Witten to get out on a corner and secure a downfield block ( it happened 4 times) It happened once to Taylor only because he lines up much farther outside than Evans, therefore creating a cutback lane for the back ( it happened twice) For the most part, Dallas stayed away from Fletcher and attacked the edges

The point is , the play-calling may not be prodictable so much as what our personnel groups are telegraphing, thats true on both side of the ball.

I wouldve liked to see more deep passes thrown, thats how we have beat the Cowboys in the past; Moss burning Newman. We have become a little predictable I think. The Cowboys were all over the slants and screens for the most part and thats a lot of what we do.

However, there were plays that I liked too. Like the JC QB draw play that he busted off for a good gain, the sellers TD play, and the dump off to Betts that he got a nice gain out of.

Mursilis wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:If you look at Romo as a comparison, he's far more elusive, and makes plays by avoiding the pressure, buying time for receivers to get open. He also makes plays when about to get sacked, like that shovel pass that got a first down that led to a score. That was a third down play, and that little shovel pass kept the drive alive that led to a TD. That was all Romo, and those are the little things that he does that wind up being the difference. Campbell doesn't do enough of those type of things which can change outcomes of games.

I'll agree that Romo CAN BE elusive when he has to be, but last night, he didn't have to be - the pressure simply wasn't there. I may have missed some plays, but by my count, he was only knocked to the ground twice. Most of the time, he was throwing the ball in space, with plenty of time and not on the run. It was just night and day watching the kind of time Romo had, and the kind of time Campbell didn't.

I know you're refusing to believe that Campbell has any real talent, but the facts show the otherwise. Despite both QBs having leaky lines, JC's actually got a higher passer rating than Peyton Manning. If he actually had some time, JC would be fine, as most QBs at this level would be. Kerry Collins, a career 73 rating-passer, is even looking good behind a solid line. If you really can't believe that even a great QB needs time, look at Tom Brady's Super Bowl numbers. He gets great protection all the 2007 season, breaks all sorts of records, and posts an amazing 117 rating. Yet in the Super Bowl, his line starts breaking down, and he's harrassed most of the game by the Giants D. What happens? His rating drops to 82. It's all about the protection.

First, don't even put Campbell in the same sentence with Manning. To even suggest they might be remotely equal is preposterous, and shouldn't even enter your mind, much less put in writing. And even with Manning having one of his poorer years this year, he still has 17 TD's to Campbell's 9.

A very good comparison would be to look a Aaron Rodgers....1st year starter with tons of pressure coming in to replace a legend in Green Bay. And he's performed better in every way to Campbell, while having been sacked almost as often (Campbell has 26, Rodgers 21). He has an excellent 15-6 TD to Int ratio. So let's dispense with the excuses of a leaky line as the main culprit for Campbell's lack of scoring. That dog don't hunt, especially when you consider that Campbell has the luxury of the 5th rated rushing team versus Green Bay's 19th place running game.

And this isn't new. We've experienced this before with Campbell....last year he was atrocious with regard to throwing TD passes, and just before being injured, we were on a long 4 game losing streak. And it was the short receivers, and the o-line that was also at fault then, along with the offensive system to blame. Collins then came in and we witnessed an IMMEDIATE turn around, won 4 straight games, while doubling our point production. So there is a history of long slumps with Campbell. Last year, nothing else changed except the QB. Half way through the Bears game, we had failed to score A SINGLE POINT, when Collins came in, we scored 14 points in 3 1/2 minutes. Of course this was all coincidental, or written off as being the result of Collins knowing the system better. It was a bunch of lame excuses then, and we are now experiencing the same situation and similar excuses now.

But back to Romo. Just look at the plays, and use a stop watch. You'll see that Romo releases the ball more quickly. He also feels pressure and rolls away from it which is one of his strengths. This buys time allowing his receivers to get open down field.

Look at Sunday's yards per pass play...Redskins 3.6 Cowboys 7.3. 3.6 is pathetic, and shows that Campbell's 64 % completion rate might have as much to do with the extraordinary number of high percentage short passes as it might be good QB play. You don't have to be great to throw 3 yard passes.

All told, I don't know that a QB change is the answer at this point at 6-4. But if we lose to Seattle, we'll have little reason not to change just to save the season. Although....on the other hand, if a QB change is even being remotely considered, now might be the best time to do it. I'd rather do it against Seattle instead of doing it against NYG.

If we don't do something....and we lose the next two, we'll be 6-6, and the season will be lost.

RayNAustin wrote:A very good comparison would be to look a Aaron Rodgers....1st year starter with tons of pressure coming in to replace a legend in Green Bay. And he's performed better in every way to Campbell, while having been sacked almost as often (Campbell has 26, Rodgers 21). He has an excellent 15-6 TD to Int ratio.

Last time I checked, a 9:3 ratio is > than a 15:6 ratio.

PulpExposure wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:A very good comparison would be to look a Aaron Rodgers....1st year starter with tons of pressure coming in to replace a legend in Green Bay. And he's performed better in every way to Campbell, while having been sacked almost as often (Campbell has 26, Rodgers 21). He has an excellent 15-6 TD to Int ratio.

Last time I checked, a 9:3 ratio is > than a 15:6 ratio.

Yes, and 105 points to 63 points = 42 points more. Think 42 points more could help the Redskins?

RayNAustin wrote:A very good comparison would be to look a Aaron Rodgers....1st year starter with tons of pressure coming in to replace a legend in Green Bay. And he's performed better in every way to Campbell, while having been sacked almost as often (Campbell has 26, Rodgers 21). He has an excellent 15-6 TD to Int ratio. So let's dispense with the excuses of a leaky line as the main culprit for Campbell's lack of scoring. That dog don't hunt, especially when you consider that Campbell has the luxury of the 5th rated rushing team versus Green Bay's 19th place running game.

Oh, please don't forget to mention...

- Aaron has been in ONE system the entire time.
- Aaron got to learn from one of the greatest QB's of all time.
- Aaron has great WR's to throw to that make amazing catches.

Compared to...

- Jason who has learned 3 DIFFERENT systems.
- Jason got to learn from Mark Brunnel and Todd Collins.
- Jason has 1 WR worth mentioning.

The line was horrible no one can deny that but on the first drive we got it done with those bums, so why werent we able to the rest of the game or any other game for the most part after the first drive, cause the play calling is bad after those first 15 plays or so that are thought up all week and thats the bottom line.

Compare Campbell's 2007 numbers to 2008. Aside from protecting the ball much better....the other stats are pretty close to last year, and I don't think anyone could honestly say that Campbell was very good last year.

Compared to games 2,3,4 where Campbell threw 5 TDs in three games, and it looked like he was finally turning the corner, he's reverted back to his old self, with only 3 TD passes in the past 6 games.

Face it already....Campbell, with all of his "ability and talent" just isn't getting the job done. There is a similar situation with the 10-0 Titans. The Titans are much better off with the marvelously gifted Vince Young on the bench, with another fellow named Collins playing QB.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:A very good comparison would be to look a Aaron Rodgers....1st year starter with tons of pressure coming in to replace a legend in Green Bay. And he's performed better in every way to Campbell, while having been sacked almost as often (Campbell has 26, Rodgers 21). He has an excellent 15-6 TD to Int ratio. So let's dispense with the excuses of a leaky line as the main culprit for Campbell's lack of scoring. That dog don't hunt, especially when you consider that Campbell has the luxury of the 5th rated rushing team versus Green Bay's 19th place running game.

Oh, please don't forget to mention...

- Aaron has been in ONE system the entire time.
- Aaron got to learn from one of the greatest QB's of all time.
- Aaron has great WR's to throw to that make amazing catches.

Compared to...

- Jason who has learned 3 DIFFERENT systems.
- Jason got to learn from Mark Brunnel and Todd Collins.
- Jason has 1 WR worth mentioning.

Total nonsense, all of it. The system, the system, the system.....the broken record. Has the system changed this year? Is it a different system the past 6 games? No. It's the performance, not the "system".

And Rodgers didn't learn squat from Favre, at least not from Favre, unlike the mentoring relationship Campbell had with Brunell who did help Campbell, Favre said "I'm not here to teach him (Rodgers) anything. That's the coaches job, my job is to play football, not teach". Favre was no mentor to Rodgers, I watched the interview with Favre making that statement, and he wasn't joking. I was rather shocked actually, that he'd be so blunt about considering Rodgers his competitor, and voicing his unwillingness to be a mentor.

Additionally, Moss, CC, ARE are all in the top 50 in receiving, while GB has 2 in the top 50, Driver and Jennings. Moss isn't far behind Jennings, and CC is ahead of Driver.

RayNAustin wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:A very good comparison would be to look a Aaron Rodgers....1st year starter with tons of pressure coming in to replace a legend in Green Bay. And he's performed better in every way to Campbell, while having been sacked almost as often (Campbell has 26, Rodgers 21). He has an excellent 15-6 TD to Int ratio. So let's dispense with the excuses of a leaky line as the main culprit for Campbell's lack of scoring. That dog don't hunt, especially when you consider that Campbell has the luxury of the 5th rated rushing team versus Green Bay's 19th place running game.

Oh, please don't forget to mention...

- Aaron has been in ONE system the entire time.
- Aaron got to learn from one of the greatest QB's of all time.
- Aaron has great WR's to throw to that make amazing catches.

Compared to...

- Jason who has learned 3 DIFFERENT systems.
- Jason got to learn from Mark Brunnel and Todd Collins.
- Jason has 1 WR worth mentioning.

Total nonsense, all of it. The system, the system, the system.....the broken record. Has the system changed this year? Is it a different system the past 6 games? No. It's the performance, not the "system".

And Rodgers didn't learn squat from Favre, at least not from Favre, unlike the mentoring relationship Campbell had with Brunell who did help Campbell, Favre said "I'm not here to teach him (Rodgers) anything. That's the coaches job, my job is to play football, not teach". Favre was no mentor to Rodgers, I watched the interview with Favre making that statement, and he wasn't joking. I was rather shocked actually, that he'd be so blunt about considering Rodgers his competitor, and voicing his unwillingness to be a mentor.

Additionally, Moss, CC, ARE are all in the top 50 in receiving, while GB has 2 in the top 50, Driver and Jennings. Moss isn't far behind Jennings, and CC is ahead of Driver.

YAWN

jmooney wrote:Most of the teams that run a westcoast system are struggling this year.

Coincidence?

Bucs? Packers? Eagles? Redskins? all four have a .500 record or better and are in the playoff hunt

23-16-1 = total record of those teams.

RayNAustin wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:A very good comparison would be to look a Aaron Rodgers....1st year starter with tons of pressure coming in to replace a legend in Green Bay. And he's performed better in every way to Campbell, while having been sacked almost as often (Campbell has 26, Rodgers 21). He has an excellent 15-6 TD to Int ratio. So let's dispense with the excuses of a leaky line as the main culprit for Campbell's lack of scoring. That dog don't hunt, especially when you consider that Campbell has the luxury of the 5th rated rushing team versus Green Bay's 19th place running game.

Oh, please don't forget to mention...

- Aaron has been in ONE system the entire time.
- Aaron got to learn from one of the greatest QB's of all time.
- Aaron has great WR's to throw to that make amazing catches.

Compared to...

- Jason who has learned 3 DIFFERENT systems.
- Jason got to learn from Mark Brunnel and Todd Collins.
- Jason has 1 WR worth mentioning.

Total nonsense, all of it. The system, the system, the system.....the broken record. Has the system changed this year? Is it a different system the past 6 games? No. It's the performance, not the "system".

And Rodgers didn't learn squat from Favre, at least not from Favre, unlike the mentoring relationship Campbell had with Brunell who did help Campbell, Favre said "I'm not here to teach him (Rodgers) anything. That's the coaches job, my job is to play football, not teach". Favre was no mentor to Rodgers, I watched the interview with Favre making that statement, and he wasn't joking. I was rather shocked actually, that he'd be so blunt about considering Rodgers his competitor, and voicing his unwillingness to be a mentor.

Additionally, Moss, CC, ARE are all in the top 50 in receiving, while GB has 2 in the top 50, Driver and Jennings. Moss isn't far behind Jennings, and CC is ahead of Driver.

I would trade Moss and ARE for Jennings and Driver any day. Those guys are great WR. Don't get me wrong I love Moss, but Aaron has a much better surrounding cast of receivers.

spudstr04 wrote:
I would trade Moss and ARE for Jennings and Driver any day. Those guys are great WR. Don't get me wrong I love Moss, but Aaron has a much better surrounding cast of receivers.

That's because you don't know what you're talking about.

First, neither Driver or Jennings has ever matched Moss's numbers in 2005....Jennings numbers over his three years in the league are similar to Moss's, and get this....career wise, Moss matches up nicely with Driver...

--------Years-------REC------YARDS------AVE-----TD
Moss----8--------- 400------ 6198-------15.5-----42
Driver--10---------548-------7549-------13.8-----41

This is particularly interesting since Driver had Favre throwing to him, while Moss had Pennington, Brunell, and Campbell. I'd say Driver had the better situation as a receiver, no? One might wonder what Moss could have done had he had Fave throwing to him for 8 years???

And again, both CC and ARE had more catches than Jennings last year, and again, that was with Favre having one of his best years of his career, while ARE and CC had Campbell and Collins throwing to them.

Also, as of right now, Both Moss and CC have more receptions than Driver or Jennings, and ARE isn't that far behind.

2008------Rec-----Yards------Ave------TD

Moss------49------701-------14.3------5
Jennings--48------865-------18.0------5
CC---------55------576-------10.5------1
Driver-----45------572-------12.7------3
ARE-------37------455-------12.3------1

It's easy to make off handed statements that are nothing more than opinion. But the facts show that in spite of the advantages of a superior QB, neither Driver or Jennings are better than Moss, and Moss showed in 2005 what he is capable of which is better than anything Driver and Jennings have ever done.

spudstr04 wrote:

jmooney wrote:Most of the teams that run a westcoast system are struggling this year.

Coincidence?

Bucs? Packers? Eagles? Redskins? all four have a .500 record or better and are in the playoff hunt

23-16-1 = total record of those teams.

All but the Bucs have struggled, the Eagals TIED Cincy only because the Bengals kicker shanked the game winner and I wouldnt consider GB a westcoast offense anymore. I said struggled, not losing records. I also said most, not all.

Playoff hunt? no no, huntED at least in our case and the Eagles, teams looking to put themselves in the postseason are knocking us off

RayNAustin wrote:Compare Campbell's 2007 numbers to 2008. Aside from protecting the ball much better....the other stats are pretty close to last year, and I don't think anyone could honestly say that Campbell was very good last year.

Compared to games 2,3,4 where Campbell threw 5 TDs in three games, and it looked like he was finally turning the corner, he's reverted back to his old self, with only 3 TD passes in the past 6 games.

Face it already....Campbell, with all of his "ability and talent" just isn't getting the job done. There is a similar situation with the 10-0 Titans. The Titans are much better off with the marvelously gifted Vince Young on the bench, with another fellow named Collins playing QB.

Well, what can we do. They are our team and we love them. So who do you like?

I don't understand why Zorn has went away from the shotgun. I know he is not a big fan of it but Campbell seems to perform better from the gun. After the first loss to the G-men. Zorn adjusted and let Campbell go to the gun more and the results where nice.

skinpride1 wrote:I don't understand why Zorn has went away from the shotgun. I know he is not a big fan of it but Campbell seems to perform better from the gun. After the first loss to the G-men. Zorn adjusted and let Campbell go to the gun more and the results where nice.

ding ding ding...we have a winner...last night it was all about the pressure that the Cowboys got on Campbell...it would make more sense to give campbell more time in the shotgun...it seemed that the only time we were in shotgun was 3rd and long and even then, we seemed to run draw plays

skinpride1 wrote:I don't understand why Zorn has went away from the shotgun. I know he is not a big fan of it but Campbell seems to perform better from the gun. After the first loss to the G-men. Zorn adjusted and let Campbell go to the gun more and the results where nice.

Because we've been running the ball much better than passing, and you eliminate play action from the gun, that's why. Also the West Coast offense is designed for 3 and 5 step drops, which sets the timing for both QB and receivers, and the gun is not the most common or typical formation for this offense, and used mostly on pure passing downs or as a change up.

To be truthful, I think Zorn has done a great job adapting to the strengths of his personnel given the amount of power running plays he calls, which is not really typical of the WC pass first philosophy. Part of that is also due to what I said at the beginning of the year....Campbell is ill suited to a WC style, and although it looked as though he was turning a huge corner in games 2,3,4 we've seen him digress. He seems to be back to holding the ball too long...taking too much time with reads and when you do that, the WC ceases to be effective because just a split second late in delivering the ball results in only two things and both are not good. You either give time to the DB's and LB's to close in on receivers and defend the pass or the receivers are catching it but are tackled immediately, eliminating the YAC.

I'm not sure I understand why, really. It doesn't make a lot of sense that he would digress like he has. My only guess is that slow and deliberate is just Campbell's nature, and no matter how much Zorn gets him to focus and execute more quickly, he falls back to his basic nature eventually.

The basic nature of the WC offense shouldn't require great pass pro, as it is designed to be quick drops and quick hitting passes, leaving no time for a pass rush to cause problems.

So if the pass blocking looks like the problem, it's more likely that it's the reads and the execution that is taking too much time.

RayNAustin wrote:we

"we"

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:we

"we"

Yes "we". "We" are the Redskins, and "they" are who "we" are playing.

Now you can go back to your game of seeing if your left hand can catch your right hand game.

spudstr04 wrote:

skinpride1 wrote:I don't understand why Zorn has went away from the shotgun. I know he is not a big fan of it but Campbell seems to perform better from the gun. After the first loss to the G-men. Zorn adjusted and let Campbell go to the gun more and the results where nice.

ding ding ding...we have a winner...last night it was all about the pressure that the Cowboys got on Campbell...it would make more sense to give campbell more time in the shotgun...it seemed that the only time we were in shotgun was 3rd and long and even then, we seemed to run draw plays

I'm not sure shotgun would have helped things. Nor in the Pittsburgh game. Some d-coordinator figured out a way to get 300 pound lineman through the line virtually un-touched. Shotgun isn't going to help that.

Seems as though this has been happening all year, but for the past two games, Campbell hasn't even had time to make the first man miss. Our line is swiss cheese. We have got to run the ball, for the sake of not passing.

It comes down to execution.

Basically ever since the Pittsburg game Campbell has not been the same. He does not seem to trust his offensive line anymore. He holds on to the ball way too long, more throws off target , bad body language, etc..

I know he is still growing but I put the blame where it should rightfully be. The QB is the leader of the offense and has to take over when necessary. This year and the upcoming games he will have plenty of opportunity to do so. The Season depends on JC coming through.

e. He does not seem to trust his offensive line anymore.

Can you blame him? They suck right now.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

He does not seem to trust his offensive line anymore.

Can you blame him? They suck right now.

exactly. folks, if you think campbell is the main problem with the passing game right now, you are kidding yourselves. the pass-protection over the past 2 games is only describable by a word i thought and hoped could never possibly be said again about a 'skins o-line:

SPURRIERAN

we all love jansen, but we can't deny it- he may be one of the single worst pass-blockers in the NFL at this point in his career ("this point" being "the end") and he must be benched IMMEDIATELY. heyer is far from a perfect replacement, but even his detractors couldn't possibly suggest he is nearly as terrible as jansen. and there is the possibility that he can actually improve as he gains experience, whereas there is no possible manner by which jansen can improve (in fact, he is rather apt to continue getting worse as his already crippled body continues to deteriorate).


people, the offensive line is exponentially the most important unit on offense. by that i mean:
*if your o-line is AVERAGE, you need STAND-OUT skill position players
---it takes a pretty good WR to get open in the average amount of time an o-line can protect for, a pretty good QB to find him and get him the ball, and a pretty good RB to find the quickly closing hole and break a tackle or two to make a good run.

*if your o-line is DOMINANT, you can have AVERAGE skill position players and still score points like it's a video game. there is not a WR in the NFL that can't get open if he has enough time to eventually shake the coverage. there is not a QB in the league that can't find that WR and get him the ball if he has a luxurious amount of time (well, except possibly tarvaris jackson or vince young, but they got benched). there isn't a RB in the league that can't run for a big gain through a hole that is 5 feet wide and lasts 3 or 4 seconds.

*if your o-line is BAD, it is not even enough to have STAND-OUT skill position players. it requires a LEGENDARY QB to dodge pass-rushers who are all over him the moment the ball is snapped on nearly EVERY PLAY, and still find a guy open down field and find a passing lane to throw him the ball, 20-30 times per game.
it requires a LEGENDARY RB (barry sanders) to spend 45 minutes evading and breaking through defenders in the backfield simply to avoid a LOSS, let alone somehow turn it into a 4 or 5 yard gain, 20-30 times per game.


shaun alexander set a TD record and was NFL MVP behind an incredible o-line, then they lost hutchinson and he has looked pedestrian ever since.

the national sports media continues their junior-high-style gushing/hype over eli manning, how much he's "improved" and how "efficient" he is. no, as a matter of fact he is still very much eli manning, which means that he still instictively responds to heavy pass pressure by blindly heaving the ball in the air and yelling "500!"
if eli manning played for the redskins, we would lose every game by 75 points, as he would throw approximately 10 to 20 interceptions per game. what factors do the giants posess that mitigate this liability?
#1: their o-line has become dominant. his "transformation" from horrible-interception-throwing-monster to alleged "model of efficiency" coincides entirely with the rise in power of their o-line. he is rarely under heavy pressure.
#2: Plastic-Ho is about 11 feet tall, and thus the majority of eli's crazy "up for grabs" lobs end up either being harmless knocked away as burress fights to keep the ball away from the defender, or, even result in completions and TV "analysts" calling eli a "play-maker".
i think instead, i am going to start calling him "wall street" and calling burress "congress".




anyways, campbell and the WRs definitely need to improve their performance-- especially ARE, who i have actually always been a big supporter of, but his constant drops this year (particularly on 3rd down conversions) have become unacceptable and he needs to improve or be demoted/replaced next year.
BUT, the bottom line for me is, none of that really even matters when the o-line is pass protecting so abysmally. 100% of the concentration and energy needs to go into finding a way to fix that.