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Oh and by the way can we beat the cowgirls without CP? yep thats a fair assumption too.

I just wont enjoy the victory as much.


No,I dont think the sky is falling, just some low clouds.

If Portis can't play, is Betts healthy? or will it be S. Alexander starting?

Fios wrote:

jmooney wrote:If he was injured during the Pittsburgh game he should have stayed here for treatment.

The fact that this injury has gotten "worse" over the bye is inexcusable.

COR T ZONE! Its DALLAS WEEK strap it up Nancy! Time to go to work!

... I mean, of all the people whose toughness and dedication you could have questioned ....

Doc was saying today on his show "if you don't see CP playin, best believe its something major cause that guy would NEVER miss playin against the team's number #1 rival"

Yeah I was listening to that show too langleyparkjoe. His thought was that it might be something like a tear for it to be serious enough to keep CP out.

I'll take Doc's word for it, I find that his views and mine are similar to some extent.

I cant believe it was a tear or something that severe, otherwise how the hell did he get out of Ashburn without an MRI?

I re- watched our last 2 games, Portis has been noticably slower in his cuts and Samuels , Monday, I dont know how he played the whole game. He was obviously favoring that knee after the 1st quarter.
IMO if these guys were that banged up, they should have been in for treatment daily during the bye, they were'nt and now its gonna effect us in the second half.

Sombody dropped the ball here, but who? Coaches? Trainers? the players themselves?

Priority for the bye should have been overall health for the 2nd half, not a "break from football"

To clarify my problem with this, you don't get hurt, go on vacation and come back to say" Oh, BTW, my knee is worse now, I cant practce" during DALLAS week. In my mind, this type of thinking is the reason this team always has to win 4 or 5 desperation games in a row to make the playoffs.

Hopefully, I am totally wrong

jmooney wrote:Hopefully, I am totally wrong

I'm sure you are.

jmooney wrote:Hopefully, I am totally wrong

How do you know that nobody received any treatment? Do you have full comprehension of the extent of everyones injuries? Can players only receive treatment at Redskins Park? How do you know what anyone did during their week off?

Did someone in the Redskins organization "drop the ball", as you say, or is someone merely jumping to conclusions without having any facts whatsoever?

SkinsFreak wrote:Did someone in the Redskins organization "drop the ball", as you say, or is someone merely jumping to conclusions without having any facts whatsoever?

Cut everybody!

PulpExposure wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Did someone in the Redskins organization "drop the ball", as you say, or is someone merely jumping to conclusions without having any facts whatsoever?

Cut everybody!

Not Santana- He's the cowpunk killer
Not Cartwright- I think mohawks are cool
Not Springs- Cause he's from Silver Spring.. dag, than again he'll probably be hurt anyways so yea.. I guess we can cut him too

We'll pick up Dexter Manley, Charles Mann, John Ri.. screw it, we'll pick up the superbowl teams that won..

I think he will play. He has to know he has too in order for us to win

MDSKINSFAN wrote:I think he will play. He has to know he has too in order for us to win

Not true. See my previous post in this thread, for the reason why.

The facts I have,are only what was reported by the Redskins organization.

Is there a more reliable source?

Could there be more facts? sure, but we are left to draw conclusions based on the information at hand. Thats what I did.

No major injuries reported after the game, other than what we already knew about.

3 players were in on Tuesday and released after treatment (none of which were CP) No players were treated at Redskins park after Tuesday. (reported by Larry Michael)

Our starting running back comes back after vacation, worse than he left. (based on statement by Zorn in presser Monday)

jump to conclusions? yeah probably

Could these injuries have been handled better? Nobody was treated by the Redskin trainers after Tuesday.

I'm just disappointed (based on the facts we have) in the way this bye was handled, If CP doesnt play Im going to be even more disappointed.

JSPB22 wrote:I'm pretty confident Portis will play, but not so sure we need him to beat Dallas. ey and Moss have been the Cowboy killers of late, not Clinton. Yes he gives us another very effective weapon, but I think we can still take them, even with TTTB carrying the load.

I agree JSP - I think that Portis is our MVP and not having him is huge but this team can beat the pukes.

I'm not sure how bad this knee is but if the 50/50 estimation is close we will most likely see Portis but he will not be getting as many carries as he might like.


We need to play mistake free football and I believe the team will want this game badly.


I will also be interested to see how effective Romo is - we can win with a 50/50 Portis - they have no shot with a 50/50 Romo

Orrrrrrr you could, ya know, go by the past FOUR YEARS and realize, pretty quickly, that he takes his job seriously

Basing my conclusions on his last 4 years, his obvious disdain for practice early in the week, coupled his own sentiments toward pre-season, OTA's and off-season regiments (this year excluded)

I think he takes PLAYING the game very seriously, his preperation has always been a question mark. How much better could he be with an Art Monk type of approach?

I dunno, this thing strikes a bit close to home for me, being exposed to several pro and college players on a personal level and in my family, something just doesnt set right ith me here

Appearing on John Thompson's D.C. area radio show, Clinton Portis revealed that his knee injury is a second-degree MCL sprain.

Portis said the pain increased late last week, which led to another examination and the sprain diagnosis. He's hoping to play Sunday against the Cowboys, but it's not a good sign that he can't even bend his knee right now. Don't expect Portis to practice until Friday at the earliest, and he's likely to be a game-time decision in a best-case scenario. Coach Jim Zorn said that Ladell Betts (knee) has a better chance than Portis to play this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/11/portis_and_zorn_on_the_air.html?nav=rss_blog


WOW! I think if Betts is healthy then we could be alright, but I have a feeling that neither Portis or Betts will be playing. Looks like the Alexander/Cartwright show!

spudstr04 wrote:

Appearing on John Thompson's D.C. area radio show, Clinton Portis revealed that his knee injury is a second-degree MCL sprain.

Portis said the pain increased late last week, which led to another examination and the sprain diagnosis. He's hoping to play Sunday against the Cowboys, but it's not a good sign that he can't even bend his knee right now. Don't expect Portis to practice until Friday at the earliest, and he's likely to be a game-time decision in a best-case scenario. Coach Jim Zorn said that Ladell Betts (knee) has a better chance than Portis to play this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/11/portis_and_zorn_on_the_air.html?nav=rss_blog


WOW! I think if Betts is healthy then we could be alright, but I have a feeling that neither Portis or Betts will be playing. Looks like the Alexander/Cartwright show!

I just threw my beer across the #$%*&^% room!


Start Sellers at RB, he may only have 2 forward gears but he has no reverse and he blocks better than the other 2.

We dont need LB's in JC's face all night again this week.

spudstr04 wrote:

Appearing on John Thompson's D.C. area radio show, Clinton Portis revealed that his knee injury is a second-degree MCL sprain.

Portis said the pain increased late last week, which led to another examination and the sprain diagnosis. He's hoping to play Sunday against the Cowboys, but it's not a good sign that he can't even bend his knee right now. Don't expect Portis to practice until Friday at the earliest, and he's likely to be a game-time decision in a best-case scenario. Coach Jim Zorn said that Ladell Betts (knee) has a better chance than Portis to play this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/11/portis_and_zorn_on_the_air.html?nav=rss_blog


WOW! I think if Betts is healthy then we could be alright, but I have a feeling that neither Portis or Betts will be playing. Looks like the Alexander/Cartwright show!

Even if Betts is healthy enough to play, his carries will be limited. I never agreed with the Alexander trade I just dont believe he fits well with our lineman, with Alexander they have to hold their blocks a lot longer. He is not in top form, plus I never liked Rock at RB he dance to much and lacks the burst. I wish we could have kept it simple and just resign Marcus Mason instead of Alexander. Redskins just doing to much. Not sure of his status with the Ravens

DaRealistJoka wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:

Appearing on John Thompson's D.C. area radio show, Clinton Portis revealed that his knee injury is a second-degree MCL sprain.

Portis said the pain increased late last week, which led to another examination and the sprain diagnosis. He's hoping to play Sunday against the Cowboys, but it's not a good sign that he can't even bend his knee right now. Don't expect Portis to practice until Friday at the earliest, and he's likely to be a game-time decision in a best-case scenario. Coach Jim Zorn said that Ladell Betts (knee) has a better chance than Portis to play this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/11/portis_and_zorn_on_the_air.html?nav=rss_blog


WOW! I think if Betts is healthy then we could be alright, but I have a feeling that neither Portis or Betts will be playing. Looks like the Alexander/Cartwright show!

Even if Betts is healthy enough to play, his carries will be limited. I never agreed with the Alexander trade I just dont believe he fits well with our lineman, with Alexander they have to hold their blocks a lot longer. He is not in top form, plus I never liked Rock at RB he dance to much and lacks the burst. I wish we could have kept it simple and just resign Marcus Mason instead of Alexander. Redskins just doing to much. Not sure of his status with the Ravens

Mason is with the Jets now. That's awful news about Portis though; he's so important to the offense...

gibbs4president wrote:

DaRealistJoka wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:

Appearing on John Thompson's D.C. area radio show, Clinton Portis revealed that his knee injury is a second-degree MCL sprain.

Portis said the pain increased late last week, which led to another examination and the sprain diagnosis. He's hoping to play Sunday against the Cowboys, but it's not a good sign that he can't even bend his knee right now. Don't expect Portis to practice until Friday at the earliest, and he's likely to be a game-time decision in a best-case scenario. Coach Jim Zorn said that Ladell Betts (knee) has a better chance than Portis to play this week.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/11/portis_and_zorn_on_the_air.html?nav=rss_blog


WOW! I think if Betts is healthy then we could be alright, but I have a feeling that neither Portis or Betts will be playing. Looks like the Alexander/Cartwright show!

Even if Betts is healthy enough to play, his carries will be limited. I never agreed with the Alexander trade I just dont believe he fits well with our lineman, with Alexander they have to hold their blocks a lot longer. He is not in top form, plus I never liked Rock at RB he dance to much and lacks the burst. I wish we could have kept it simple and just resign Marcus Mason instead of Alexander. Redskins just doing to much. Not sure of his status with the Ravens

Mason is with the Jets now.

And Alexander was a free agent, not a trade.

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:we're in trouble if he doesn't play

Yeah, I think that the Steelers game proved that we have to have Portis leading the way to win. He also can't be our leading receiver. Hopefully, Portis & Moss will be ready to go on Sunday Night.

At least J-taylor, Springs, and DeAngelo will be ready to go for the D. They should help us against a healed Romo.

dont underestimate his pass blocking and picking up the blitz.....agains dallas that will be hugh

Hugh? Hugh who? Hugh Green? Hugh Douglas?

With CP having a grade 2 MCL sprain, I say rest him for this week. If he blows an MCL, it's a lot more serious than what it is now. I'd rather have CP for the rest of the season than 1/2 a game vs Dallas. We have Rock and Aexander, who I'm not excited about being in the backfield, but they are NFL players for a reason. Betts could be back as well, so this is a plus; we saw what he did last time he stepped in for CP for any length of time.

VetSkinsFan wrote:With CP having a grade 2 MCL sprain, I say rest him for this week. If he blows an MCL, it's a lot more serious than what it is now. I'd rather have CP for the rest of the season than 1/2 a game vs Dallas. We have Rock and Aexander, who I'm not excited about being in the backfield, but they are NFL players for a reason. Betts could be back as well, so this is a plus; we saw what he did last time he stepped in for CP for any length of time.

yes sir! i say if he's banged up, sit um, and come back to close out the season, good point Vet

jmooney wrote:[quoteStart Sellers at RB, he may only have 2 forward gears but he has no reverse and he blocks better than the other 2.

We dont need LB's in JC's face all night again this week.

I agree with you %100. I know we did have a backup FB on the roster, I don't know if we still do. But we all know what Sellers can do.

Brandon Jacobs ran all over Dallas, so can Sellers. Sellers is almost as agile and as fast as Jacobs.

Its simple, you have him line up at TE, then move to Single back, snap the ball, and punch Dallas in mouth on the first play of the game.

Just use him in the first half of the first quarter and see what happens. Then hit them with Sellers again in the second half.

SCSkinsFan wrote:

NJ-SKINS-FAN wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:we're in trouble if he doesn't play

Yeah, I think that the Steelers game proved that we have to have Portis leading the way to win. He also can't be our leading receiver. Hopefully, Portis & Moss will be ready to go on Sunday Night.

At least J-taylor, Springs, and DeAngelo will be ready to go for the D. They should help us against a healed Romo.

dont underestimate his pass blocking and picking up the blitz.....agains dallas that will be hugh

Hugh? Hugh who? Hugh Green? Hugh Douglas?

Hefner,


Hopefully T3B will at least get enough yards to set up the passing game.