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at least we have been to the superbowl since the nfl afl merger bonehead.but that must have been before you eeked into exsistence was'nt it?i do'nt care if gibbs does'nt win one more game,he has nothing to prove to any of us.can any of your 2000 jet coaches since weeb ewbank left come close all together to having a record like coach gibbs can?the answer is a huge HELL NO.the jets are the laughing stock of the afc east,they will only get to the super bowl if somebody forefits,and then they would get lost unless a washington redskins pilot was flying the damn plane.

This is the type of garbage that makes me respond harsh against the skins...

But i know,i know...you don't bring up the jets...and you don't drill me for my opinions

Smizzy...Do you see what I am saying? Look how the thread started and now look what it has turned into. There is no need for it.

I don't see how giving joe gibbs a free pass this time around because he has perviously won a SB for you is ok,sorry.


You team is in a spot where the you have to win now.

Gibbs wont coach more than 3 years here and so if he doesnt win in the next 3 years ...he is going to have a very hard time with the cap trouble you have coming.

Thats my point.

SirSmizzy wrote:

at least we have been to the superbowl since the nfl afl merger bonehead.but that must have been before you eeked into exsistence was'nt it?i do'nt care if gibbs does'nt win one more game,he has nothing to prove to any of us.can any of your 2000 jet coaches since weeb ewbank left come close all together to having a record like coach gibbs can?the answer is a huge HELL NO.the jets are the laughing stock of the afc east,they will only get to the super bowl if somebody forefits,and then they would get lost unless a washington redskins pilot was flying the damn plane.

This is the type of garbage that makes me respond harsh against the skins...

But i know,i know...you don't bring up the jets...and you don't drill me for my opinions

your jealousy and lack of a good team is what makes you dislike the skins,plain and simple.hermann edwards is a great coach imo and for his sake i hope the jets win soon.
but most of the things you say about the skins,are true of the jets also.i do'nt drill you for your opinions because if
you will let them out when you wish too.but let me ask.what is the problem with the jets???enlighten us please.

bigredskinfan63 wrote:

SirSmizzy wrote:

at least we have been to the superbowl since the nfl afl merger bonehead.but that must have been before you eeked into exsistence was'nt it?i do'nt care if gibbs does'nt win one more game,he has nothing to prove to any of us.can any of your 2000 jet coaches since weeb ewbank left come close all together to having a record like coach gibbs can?the answer is a huge HELL NO.the jets are the laughing stock of the afc east,they will only get to the super bowl if somebody forefits,and then they would get lost unless a washington redskins pilot was flying the damn plane.

This is the type of garbage that makes me respond harsh against the skins...

But i know,i know...you don't bring up the jets...and you don't drill me for my opinions

your jealousy and lack of a good team is what makes you dislike the skins,plain and simple.hermann edwards is a great coach imo and for his sake i hope the jets win soon.
but most of the things you say about the skins,are true of the jets also.i do'nt drill you for your opinions because if
you will let them out when you wish too.but let me ask.what is the problem with the jets???enlighten us please.

go read any of my previous posts about the jets...you can even do a search up top for the word"jets"...

So, Sir Smizzy...I guess it got lost in the mess. Did you have an actual question or a debatable comment/topic that I can respond to without getting into the hissing and spitting contest ?

i think the jets problems started the day that they tried to force being head coach on bellinchek.the way that whole thing started was really strange.if i remember right,al groh coached them a year followed by edwards did'nt he?i'm sorry for blowing up at you,i had a very crappy day and took it out on you and i apologize.please except my apology friend.

TCwest...what do you want to discuss?

I can be just as reasonable as the next guy..so what on your mind?

Me ? Nothing, my brotherman. I was looking in here, and I saw all the slinging bs flying around...thought I'd duck some of it and find out what it was that got the boys all riled up, is all. If there's a contentious point, maybe I can through my two cents in and see what happens. What's the topic ? "What if Gibbs Doesn't Win ?"
Well, I guess anything could happen. My thinking here is, he's surrounded himself with some pretty worthy peers. Gregg Williams ? I don't have to tell you anything about that guy, do I ? YOU could probably take me to the learning tree about him. Twice a year, you boys had to deal with him. Clearly, he's not an Offensive genius, because he couldn't win with Bledsoe, so that brings us to the Gibbs/Breaux/Bugel trio. First guy knows how to win the old way. Second guy knows how to coach a RB. Third guy is an undisputed OL genius, but not successful as a HC in AZ or OAK. Three great minds on one portion of the game ? I'll take it. "Coaching By Committee", maybe, but I'll take it over what the options were. Rhodes ? Lovie ? Jimbo Fassel ? The NE assistants ? Nah. We got who we wanted. We got the only guy who we wouldn't second guess. I'm reading that Snyder wasn't in the room when Joe and Co. picked the FA targets. That's promising, to me. 'Course, I've heard that old refrain a few times in recent years. Snyder says, "I have my guy. I'm gonna let him run the team." Hopefully, if Joe doesn't blast out of the gate with a 3-3, 4-2 or 5-1 record, Danny can still stay in the background.
What say you ?

SirSmizzy wrote:Gibbs wont coach more than 3 years here and so if he doesnt win in the next 3 years ...he is going to have a very hard time with the cap trouble you have coming.

Thats my point.

What makes you the expert on Joe Gibbs' plans?

Smizzy you missed my point. No one is giving JG a pass because of his previous accomplishments. All I we are saying is that he being here is a step in the right direction. Which means we think he and this franchise is already a winner. Building a team as you know can not happen over night. Do I think we are going to have a better record next year...Yes. Do I think that we could make the playoffs...Yes but I am not penciling us in to go to the SB. JG and his staff are going to field a team that is much more prepared than what we have hade in years past. This will lead to more wins and in time a Championship. Whether you feel that JG will be here for 3 or 5 years is irrelevant. The team has made a great move in bringing him back. I love the negative spin you put on everything. Saying we pulled him out of retirement just because he won years ago. The guy is still a great coach and will prove to you and the rest of the doubters that the modern day NFL has not passed him by. As far as our FA signings giving us problems in a few years that is your opinion. We have been hearing that for years. Who knows what will happen after the new TV contract in 2006. The cap may go higher. If you want to give your opinion that is fine but dont trash other peoples because they differ from yours.

skins75 wrote:Smizzy you missed my point. No one is giving JG a pass because of his previous accomplishments. All I we are saying is that he being here is a step in the right direction. Which means we think he and this franchise is already a winner. Building a team as you know can not happen over night. Do I think we are going to have a better record next year...Yes. Do I think that we could make the playoffs...Yes but I am not penciling us in to go to the SB. JG and his staff are going to field a team that is much more prepared than what we have hade in years past. This will lead to more wins and in time a Championship. Whether you feel that JG will be here for 3 or 5 years is irrelevant. The team has made a great move in bringing him back. I love the negative spin you put on everything. Saying we pulled him out of retirement just because he won years ago. The guy is still a great coach and will prove to you and the rest of the doubters that the modern day NFL has not passed him by. As far as our FA signings giving us problems in a few years that is your opinion. We have been hearing that for years. Who knows what will happen after the new TV contract in 2006. The cap may go higher. If you want to give your opinion that is fine but dont trash other peoples because they differ from yours.

You didn't pull gibbs out of retirement?

Apparently he was talking to the Falcons when he heard that Spurrier had quit. After that, the decision was made.

How is that the only thing you took out of my post? My point was that we didnt pull him out of retirement for a PR move. Meaning because he won years ago. It is because the guy is still a great coach that almost any team in the NFL would snatch in a second. Dude do you just like to argue?

tcwest10 wrote:Me ? Nothing, my brotherman. I was looking in here, and I saw all the slinging bs flying around...thought I'd duck some of it and find out what it was that got the boys all riled up, is all. If there's a contentious point, maybe I can through my two cents in and see what happens. What's the topic ? "What if Gibbs Doesn't Win ?"
Well, I guess anything could happen. My thinking here is, he's surrounded himself with some pretty worthy peers. Gregg Williams ? I don't have to tell you anything about that guy, do I ? YOU could probably take me to the learning tree about him. Twice a year, you boys had to deal with him. Clearly, he's not an Offensive genius, because he couldn't win with Bledsoe, so that brings us to the Gibbs/Breaux/Bugel trio. First guy knows how to win the old way. Second guy knows how to coach a RB. Third guy is an undisputed OL genius, but not successful as a HC in AZ or OAK. Three great minds on one portion of the game ? I'll take it. "Coaching By Committee", maybe, but I'll take it over what the options were. Rhodes ? Lovie ? Jimbo Fassel ? The NE assistants ? Nah. We got who we wanted. We got the only guy who we wouldn't second guess. I'm reading that Snyder wasn't in the room when Joe and Co. picked the FA targets. That's promising, to me. 'Course, I've heard that old refrain a few times in recent years. Snyder says, "I have my guy. I'm gonna let him run the team." Hopefully, if Joe doesn't blast out of the gate with a 3-3, 4-2 or 5-1 record, Danny can still stay in the background.
What say you ?

Nothing.

Im done tryin to defend myself here...When i do everybody wants to know why i even bother?


I make very valid points...NOT EVERYSINGLE FA wants to go to washington....Joe Gibbs isn't guaranteed to win.

and the skins spending spree hasn't worked.

Those are my 3 basic points...instaed of talking about how truthfull they are...we will end up discussion the sad affairs of the jets...who just sign A.winfield i might add...you know the CB the skins didn't want so we were lucky to get your leftovers.

skins75 wrote:How is that the only thing you took out of my post? My point was that we didnt pull him out of retirement for a PR move. Meaning because he won years ago. It is because the guy is still a great coach that almost any team in the NFL would snatch in a second. Dude do you just like to argue?

You missed MY point....I know gibbs isnt a Publicity stunt..


But what he is the CLEAN up uniti for synders mess that he has created there in washington.

He wasn't brought in because He wants to be the skins coach again...he came back becasue snyder paid him too...beacuse he needed to do something of this magnitude to try to fix things...is that so hard to understand?

Smizzy, I'm gonna PM you.

Thanks for educating me Smizzy on the reason JG was brought back. JG didnt come back because he needed the money. I dont know if you are aware of this but Nascar owners make a pretty decent living. The fact is that he wanted to come back and of course Snyder couldnt pay him less that we shelled out for SS. You make no freakin sense. I have tried talking to you on an intelligent non bias level but you are just a waste of my time. Have a nice life.

skins75 wrote:Thanks for educating me Smizzy on the reason JG was brought back. JG didnt come back because he needed the money. I dont know if you are aware of this but Nascar owners make a pretty decent living. The fact is that he wanted to come back and of course Snyder couldnt pay him less that we shelled out for SS. You make no freakin sense. I have tried talking to you on an intelligent non bias level but you are just a waste of my time. Have a nice life.

If Snyder had been succesful so far...would he have brought back Gibbs?

Just because we don't agree doesnt mean either one of us are wrong

SirSmizzy wrote:I make very valid points...NOT EVERYSINGLE FA wants to go to washington....Joe Gibbs isn't guaranteed to win.

and the skins spending spree hasn't worked.

Those are my 3 basic points...instaed of talking about how truthfull they are...we will end up discussion the sad affairs of the jets...who just sign A.winfield i might add...you know the CB the skins didn't want so we were lucky to get your leftovers.

Lavernues Coles, Randy Thomas, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, Markus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs, Clinton Portis, Brandon Noble, John Hall, Chad Morton--Smizzy these are talanted players. The reasons the additions didnt work in the past is the coach. I think you will find out we will be much better with a pro scheme, that is what is going to make the diffence with these very young players. I dont think anyone can argue that we have a very solid core of young players for Joe to build this around!!!

Hey Smizzy...the Jets just brought back Parcells give me your reaction??

They did do that, DE...but he had no history there. It doesn't compare. Besides, Tuna didn't come out of retirement, did he ? I thought he came straight from the Patriots, and the Jets had to give up picks for him. Smizzy is trying to say that Dan signed Joe because he got himself and the franchise so messed up that only one guy could be brought in that we as fans wouldn't second-guess. He's also saying that Joe came back for two reasons: The challenge of getting everything right, and the huge money being offered. I don't know if I agree with Smizzy all the time, but I don't think Joe would've come back on a volunteer basis. Mostly, Smizzy needs to stop lashing out with vitriol everytime somebody comes back at him hard. It is, after all, our house. Basically, though, I like having him here. Nobody brings out the Hog in Solway like Smizzy !

I know TC but they loved him...my point is they would be gaga over his return their and your right it wouldn't even compare!! For that matter if he went back to the G-Men it wouldn't compare...Can you imagine Gibbs coaching the Cowboys!!

DEhog you speak blasphemy...Pukes will never be so lucky!!!

Yep...one thing Parcells has thet Joe doesn't..a ego!!