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Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 7:54 am
by SkinsJock
VetSkinsFan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Portis is a lock - so's Jason Campbell - after the next 2 Super Bowls we might just put in the whole team
Come one now... let's be realistic. JC, after 4 consecutive good games, is a HoF LOCK? You need to share some of that stuff you've been smokin, b/c it sounds GOOD.
There's no way you can quntify a HoF career over 4 games....
totally agree - that's why there's a smiley face
just cannot believe how some here can be thinking anyone can get into the HOF just because they are a whole lot better than anyone who ever played at that position.
The HOF lost a lot of credibility in my opinion by putting Irvin in before Art Monk - that is like someone placing any credence on a Pro Bowl selection when the best QB playing is not selected.
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 8:04 am
by HEROHAMO
We have to remember the perception of the Redskins is just starting to be positive again. For most of the ninties the Redskins did not make the playoffs or make any kind of noise.
The 2000s have also been up and down. I think its fair to say that these next few years will be the defining moments of CPs career. It is not fair but he played on many unbalanced teams. With him being the main option on offense and a very lack luster passing game.
Now we finally have a balanced offense and CP is getting a second wind in his career. Add a good QB with a proper scheme and it does wonders for all the offense. This might even help
ey get in the hall if he continues his pace. Thats the good news is that now teams can see what Portis,
ey and Moss can really do. Portis should have a superb ending to his career maybe five to six years from now.
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:20 am
by SkinsJock
^^^ what he said
very well done - good post HH
Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 6:30 pm
by redskinz4ever
if he stays healthy and has a solid o-line in front of him.along with 1,000 - 1,300 yard seaons.and if i remember isn't his td ratio pretty impressive too.so i say yes he is ... IF ?
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:47 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
brad7686 wrote:If he breaks into the top 15 in career rushing yards he definitely shouldn't need a ring. He could do that easily really. I could see him and LT breaking the top 5.
i definitely agree with this. im pretty sure that he was on pace to get very close to walter payton's yards total before he got hurt a couple of years ago. so he should break the top 5
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:10 pm
by BigRedskinDaddy
MDSKINSFAN wrote:i definitely agree with this. im pretty sure that he was on pace to get very close to walter payton's yards total before he got hurt a couple of years ago. so he should break the top 5
Assuming he were to average 1200 yds/year for the next 4 years, he would be 230 yds behind Eric Dickerson for 7th all-time w/13,029. I know that's a big IF, but he may well play beyond four more years too.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:12 am
by Bob 0119
I'll be honest and say I didn't read all the arguements, and have been ignoring this thread.
I don't think Portis is a HoF candidate as he hasn't done anything to distinguish himself from the dozens of other running backs in the league.
He may make the ring of honor at FedEx, but unless he has a "memorable" Super Bowl play, or we rack up several Super Bowl victories before he retires (highly unlikely) I'd say his chances of making the HoF are slim.
He would have to break several league rushing records otherwise and I don't think he's in danger of doing that anytime soon.
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:01 pm
by MDSKINSFAN
BigRedskinDaddy wrote:MDSKINSFAN wrote:i definitely agree with this. im pretty sure that he was on pace to get very close to walter payton's yards total before he got hurt a couple of years ago. so he should break the top 5
Assuming he were to average 1200 yds/year for the next 4 years, he would be 230 yds behind Eric Dickerson for 7th all-time w/13,029. I know that's a big IF, but he may well play beyond four more years too.
so he should at least get to seventh if he stays healthy and he would have to go to the HOF if he is in the top 7 because all the players in the top 12 are either in the HOF now or will be when they become eligible like bettis, curtis martin, and emmit smith
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:42 pm
by brad7686
I wonder if Dillon and Barber get in, those will be interesting to watch. I think Edge and possibly Fred Taylor will finish with enough that they get in without much issue. Personally, if Watters isn't in than i don't think Barber should be in, and i don't think Dillon will make it either. Fred Taylor is gonna have to stay on the field but he does have a shot at least.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:22 am
by MDSKINSFAN
brad7686 wrote:I wonder if Dillon and Barber get in, those will be interesting to watch. I think Edge and possibly Fred Taylor will finish with enough that they get in without much issue. Personally, if Watters isn't in than i don't think Barber should be in, and i don't think Dillon will make it either. Fred Taylor is gonna have to stay on the field but he does have a shot at least.
i hope taylor gets in. he might be like monk and fly under the radar because he doesnt talk much but he deserves to go. Edge should go, hes had a lot of good years. i hope barber doesnt get in. To me he didnt have a HOF career. He put the ball on the ground a lot and his career wasnt going that great until coughlin showed up and made him a lot better. In all three seasons with Coughlin he had over 1500 yds rushing and over 2000 total yards
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:38 am
by SkinsJock
As some here may recall - I can be a bit B&G blind at times but I have a feeling that we are seeing the beginings of a pretty sound football program here and I think that Zorn in the next few years will have utilized the considerable skills and talent of Clinton Portis to the extent that he will be in the HOF not long after he becomes eligible.
HAIL
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:57 am
by redskinz4ever
SkinsJock wrote:As some here may recall - I can be a bit B&G blind at times but I have a feeling that we are seeing the beginings of a pretty sound football program here and I think that Zorn in the next few years will have utilized the considerable skills and talent of Clinton Portis to the extent that he will be in the HOF not long after he becomes eligible.
HAIL
well said zorn will help both portis and campbell become better players not saying campbell is ready for HOF voting just yet the way zorn is calling the plays portis could be in for a great year ..... and years to come.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:57 am
by HighOnTheHogs
Bob 0119 wrote:I don't think Portis is a HoF candidate as he hasn't done anything to distinguish himself from the dozens of other running backs in the league.
Speculation says:
IF Portis plays another eight seasons, which is reasonable to assume since he is only 27 and isn't injury prone ...
And IF Portis achieves statistical numbers in the next eight seasons equal to or greater than his numbers from the first seven seasons, the current year being season seven ...
Then, Portis would finish his career with roughly the following stats:
16,500 rushing yards, placing Portis in the Top 2 or 3 all-time.
1) 18,355 Emmitt Smith
2) 16,726 Walter Payton
3) 15,269 Barry Sanders
4.5 Yards Per Carry career average
135 career rushing Touchdowns, placing Portis in the Top 2 or 3 all-time.
164 Emmitt Smith
123 Marcus Allen
115 LaDainian Tomlinson
425 career receptions
3,500 career receiving yards
8 career receiving Touchdowns
3,650 career rushing attempts
IF the above numbers come to be true, I can't reasonably see the sportswriters, who love Clinton Portis already, keeping him out of the Hall Of Fame. If Thurman Thomas can get elected with four SuperBowl losses, there is no reason why CP won't be elected with the estimated career numbers above.
Above career stats are from:
Clinton Portis
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:12 am
by MDSKINSFAN
IF the above numbers come to be true, I can't reasonably see the sportswriters, who love Clinton Portis already, keeping him out of the Hall Of Fame. If Thurman Thomas can get elected with four SuperBowl losses, there is no reason why CP won't be elected with the estimated career numbers above.
sportswriters do love him. Not to get off topic but, they would vote him in just to hear his speech. Could you imagine his speech? it would be pretty funny
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:33 am
by Deadskins
MDSKINSFAN wrote:brad7686 wrote:I wonder if Dillon and Barber get in, those will be interesting to watch. I think Edge and possibly Fred Taylor will finish with enough that they get in without much issue. Personally, if Watters isn't in than i don't think Barber should be in, and i don't think Dillon will make it either. Fred Taylor is gonna have to stay on the field but he does have a shot at least.
i hope taylor gets in. he might be like monk and fly under the radar because he doesnt talk much but he deserves to go. Edge should go, hes had a lot of good years. i hope barber doesnt get in. To me he didnt have a HOF career. He put the ball on the ground a lot and his career wasnt going that great until coughlin showed up and made him a lot better. In all three seasons with Coughlin he had over 1500 yds rushing and over 2000 total yards
I agree. Barber, was nothing special until right at the end of his career. Unfortunately, he played in NY, so he had enormous exposure, and will probably make it for that reason alone.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:14 am
by BigRedskinDaddy
HighOnTheHogs wrote:Speculation says:
IF Portis plays another eight seasons, which is reasonable to assume since he is only 27 and isn't injury prone ...
HOTH, welcome to the board. Regarding your post, let's not forget the following: typically the "wall" for NFL RB's is 30 yrs of age. Rare is the player who has had significant production equal to his early years past that age. I'm not suggesting that CP couldn't do so, but it's more likely that he has 3, perhaps 4 more solid, potentially All-Pro years in him. After that he'll probably be running more like Edge is now than anything else.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:49 am
by HighOnTheHogs
BigRedskinDaddy wrote:HighOnTheHogs wrote:Speculation says:
IF Portis plays another eight seasons, which is reasonable to assume since he is only 27 and isn't injury prone ...
HOTH, welcome to the board. Regarding your post, let's not forget the following: typically the "wall" for NFL RB's is 30 yrs of age. Rare is the player who has had significant production equal to his early years past that age. I'm not suggesting that CP couldn't do so, but it's more likely that he has 3, perhaps 4 more solid, potentially All-Pro years in him. After that he'll probably be running more like Edge is now than anything else.
This web page:
[Top 20] is a few years old but I think it shows that the Top 20 running backs (by yardage) all played past the age of 30. I'm giving Portis the benefit of the doubt that he's above average in durability and will have a longer than average length of career for a running back. I think I read somewhere that the average career of a pro back is four years. I read it here:
[NFL Career Length]
All the stats and links in the world don't mean anything here. We are all just guessing based upon what we know as of today. Tomorrow is another gameday and we'll know more tomorrow than we do today.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:04 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
HighOnTheHogs wrote:Bob 0119 wrote:I don't think Portis is a HoF candidate as he hasn't done anything to distinguish himself from the dozens of other running backs in the league.
Speculation says:
IF Portis plays another eight seasons, which is reasonable to assume since he is only 27 and isn't injury prone ...
And IF Portis achieves statistical numbers in the next eight seasons equal to or greater than his numbers from the first seven seasons, the current year being season seven ...
Then, Portis would finish his career with roughly the following stats:
16,500 rushing yards, placing Portis in the Top 2 or 3 all-time.
1) 18,355 Emmitt Smith
2) 16,726 Walter Payton
3) 15,269 Barry Sanders
4.5 Yards Per Carry career average
135 career rushing Touchdowns, placing Portis in the Top 2 or 3 all-time.
164 Emmitt Smith
123 Marcus Allen
115 LaDainian Tomlinson
425 career receptions
3,500 career receiving yards
8 career receiving Touchdowns
3,650 career rushing attempts
IF the above numbers come to be true, I can't reasonably see the sportswriters, who love Clinton Portis already, keeping him out of the Hall Of Fame. If Thurman Thomas can get elected with four SuperBowl losses, there is no reason why CP won't be elected with the estimated career numbers above.
Above career stats are from:
Clinton Portis
I wonder who this is....
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:16 pm
by Deadskins
KazooSkinsFan wrote:HighOnTheHogs wrote:Bob 0119 wrote:I don't think Portis is a HoF candidate as he hasn't done anything to distinguish himself from the dozens of other running backs in the league.
Speculation says:
IF Portis plays another eight seasons, which is reasonable to assume since he is only 27 and isn't injury prone ...
And IF Portis achieves statistical numbers in the next eight seasons equal to or greater than his numbers from the first seven seasons, the current year being season seven ...
Then, Portis would finish his career with roughly the following stats:
16,500 rushing yards, placing Portis in the Top 2 or 3 all-time.
1) 18,355 Emmitt Smith
2) 16,726 Walter Payton
3) 15,269 Barry Sanders
4.5 Yards Per Carry career average
135 career rushing Touchdowns, placing Portis in the Top 2 or 3 all-time.
164 Emmitt Smith
123 Marcus Allen
115 LaDainian Tomlinson
425 career receptions
3,500 career receiving yards
8 career receiving Touchdowns
3,650 career rushing attempts
IF the above numbers come to be true, I can't reasonably see the sportswriters, who love Clinton Portis already, keeping him out of the Hall Of Fame. If Thurman Thomas can get elected with four SuperBowl losses, there is no reason why CP won't be elected with the estimated career numbers above.
Above career stats are from:
Clinton Portis
I wonder who this is....
It does match his style, and the account timing is correct. How about those IPs?
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 4:03 pm
by BigRedskinDaddy
Kaz, JSP...you're kidding, right?
Did I just feed the GSPODS fire unintentionally?
<shudder>
I need a shower...
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:03 pm
by The Hogster
Only if he continues to play this way, and the Redskins enter a min-dynasty. I'd say that 2 Superbowl rings with MVP like performances and he could go in. But, I don't think he will get the media support without championship success.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:46 pm
by brad7686
I think some of you are underestimating how statistical HOF voting is. Pretty much the top 20 in rushing yards are in or will make it, and top 15 is basically a lock. Portis should get there easily. Unless he hits a wall in the next 5 he should be good.
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:27 pm
by VetSkinsFan
I'm prefer to enjoy his present dominance and think about that 5 years after he retires....
Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:11 pm
by John Manfreda
chiefhog44 wrote:John Manfreda wrote:right now, probably not, will he be I don't know. I think basing this is stupid because one can't predict the future, he might suffer an injury and never play again, he might get an injury and never be the same, when is he done? Its hard to predict when a RB will stop working, they just stop from no were. Another player might get injured that effects Portis performance also can happen, O-lineman, Qb, Sellers (he is his lead blocker and a excellent one too),
ey (he is a weapon that takes attention off Portis), Moss (no down field threat they can line 8 in the book or have people push up). He might not have much time left, he is 27 and Eddie George was done at 28, some are done at 29, he might only have two good seasons left in him. He might play well for another 4-6 years, who Knows? I am not trying to do the projection rate because there are two many variables that can happen.
For this take things as they are. If someone is hall of fame material its only yes or no. Projecting if someone is hall of fame material is stupid, its like asking last year is Sean Taylor hall of fame material, you can't project it, especiallly at a position were there so dependent on their line. You don't know who he is going to be playing with, you don't know if he is going to get hurt. Projecting if he is going to have a good year or not isn't dump but over a career you don't have the proper variables in place to make an accurate projection. Over the course of the season you have proper variables in place to make a projection, but a single person over a career you don't especially if Portis is leaving the Skins, not saying its going to happen but u never know, it might happen.
This is no more stupid than me telling someone on here to stop predicting the future and to take things one game at a time. Your response was that we are fans and that's what message boards are all about...Which way is it?