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Countertrey wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:The guy has already missed a game. He also has not been that good either.

Fact is he is getting older. Face the facts older people get injured easier. I know its hard to accept at your old age , but thats the reality. You cant beat father time.

Ahhhhh, another case of a player magically starting to suck cus he's a Redskin?

1. The guy is being played out of position.

2. The pass-rush with only our front four guys has improved a decent amount and it shows in the number of turnovers we have thus far this season. We religously ranked at the bottom of the NFL in that category.

3. He's been just as effective as Andre Carter, so why is age a factor?

When Jason Taylor was in his twentys he rarely missed time due to injury. Now that he is getting older bam injury in starting to happen. A common occurence in older people, animals , whatever you want to name. Older cars, people , bugs, whatever are more injury prone.

Ask any medical professional you want to.

I am a medical professional.

His injury is unrelated to his age.

There... asked and answered.

Injury's happen this we know. Jason Taylor in his twenties was younger , faster and stronger. I assure you he was kicked plenty of times when he was in Miami. You get hit in all kinds of places when your in the game.
Same risk then , same risk now. He absorbed punishment then , he even took more punishment while in Miami.

The difference is he has mileage.

You gave your opinon. You have your right to it. I have mine.
If you dont mind I will get a second opinion from my own doctor thank you very much.

damn, this thread sure has gotten twisted. must be the flavor of the week.

i don't think anyone is arguing the fact that, as one ages, one tends to be more injury prone to situations that, when they were younger, may not have had the same effect on them. that being said....

this injury has in no way occurred because of AGE. persons placed in certain situations, regardless of age, would have had similar outcomes.

i thank everyone for their time.....please carry on.

Wahoo McDaniels wrote:
I have been at each game watching him consistently and I marvel at how he can't get pressure on the QB. If he doesn't beat his man with the initial speed rush, he's done. He's forced to drop back and get his hands up.

What you just described is the SAME EXACT thing that he did in Miami my friend. That's the reason he was the sack leader down there but this is the NFC East and getting those same sacks are waaaay harder to do when you play Gnats, Smeagols, and cowpunks twice each year.

How can I describe it for you people who think age has something to do with this.. ahhh, I know.. lets use baseball.. If a batter swings at a pitch and connects (not like our O's and Nats..LOL) then the ball hits the pitcher and he goes down, that's some fluke stuff but according to your arguments he went down cause he may be old. EVEN if he's 21 your arguments says its because he's old. JT got a cleat (sp) in his leg.. ya'll ever play football or soccer? those cleats hurt like hell!!!! Just use common sense for a moment my folks. Someone else said it before that his age may affect his recovery time and that I agree with 100% but what do I know, I'm just a guy who shops at Tick Tock.

HEROHAMO wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:The guy has already missed a game. He also has not been that good either.

Fact is he is getting older. Face the facts older people get injured easier. I know its hard to accept at your old age , but thats the reality. You cant beat father time.

Ahhhhh, another case of a player magically starting to suck cus he's a Redskin?

1. The guy is being played out of position.

2. The pass-rush with only our front four guys has improved a decent amount and it shows in the number of turnovers we have thus far this season. We religously ranked at the bottom of the NFL in that category.

3. He's been just as effective as Andre Carter, so why is age a factor?

A younger Jason Taylor would not have been injured at this point. His history proves that. Now that he is getting older he will be more injury prone.

Like I said before I like having him here. DOnt try and tell me that age is not a factor. Age is always a factor.

Was Jason Taylor injured in his twenties? No! He rarely was injured.
Your body takes a beating over time especially in the NFL, NBA, MLB, whatever league your in. Age is a factor.

I still think we needed him and am glad we picked him up. Dont try and tell me that he is the same Jason Taylor that he was in his twenties because he is not.

It proves nothing. There is no way to positively, with 100% accuracy, be able to support the random negative hypothesis of the day. Yes, he had a great stretch of consecutive starts. Really that's irrelavent considering this injury resulted from him being kicked.

i dont know anything about medicine or injuries or anything of that nature. all i'm gonna say tho is that i hope he has a speedy recovery so he can return to the line up and help our team win.

You gave your opinon. You have your right to it. I have mine.
If you dont mind I will get a second opinion from my own doctor thank you very much.

So, when you said this...

Ask any medical professional you want to.

You really meant "Ask any medical professional you want to... (as long as they agree with me)"

Your doctor, btw, will concur. G'ahead... ask him.

The irony is that, this post-injury syndrome, in fact, is likely to be more severe, the younger you are as an adult when you receive it. (it doesn't really apply to extremely well conditioned athletes, though... because the better your condition, the more powerfully muscled you are, the more likely you are to have an issue with compartment syndrome from a crushing or hematoma-producing trauma, as there is less flexibility within the muscle fascia for rapid expansion of intra-compartment volume).

So, it would be accurate to say that "This injury is the result of Taylor's obsession with ongoing conditioning and attention to his physical development. If he were less well conditioned, we wouldn't have this problem. What a stupid idea to go out and get an uncredibly well conditioned athlete. There were plenty of young, fat, lazy, and marginal d-tackles on the market... why didn't we go get one of them????"

The real bottom line is, Taylor will be ok... and he will be back in form very quickly.

Countertrey wrote:

You gave your opinon. You have your right to it. I have mine.
If you dont mind I will get a second opinion from my own doctor thank you very much.

So, when you said this...

Ask any medical professional you want to.

You really meant "Ask any medical professional you want to... (as long as they agree with me)"

Your doctor, btw, will concur. G'ahead... ask him.

The irony is that, this post-injury syndrome, in fact, is likely to be more severe, the younger you are as an adult when you receive it. (it doesn't really apply to extremely well conditioned athletes, though... because the better your condition, the more powerfully muscled you are, the more likely you are to have an issue with compartment syndrome from a crushing or hematoma-producing trauma, as there is less flexibility within the muscle fascia for rapid expansion of intra-compartment volume).

So, it would be accurate to say that "This injury is the result of Taylor's obsession with ongoing conditioning and attention to his physical development. If he were less well conditioned, we wouldn't have this problem. What a stupid idea to go out and get an incredibly well conditioned athlete. There were plenty of young, fat, lazy, and marginal d-tackles on the market... why didn't we go get one of them????"

The real bottom line is, Taylor will be ok... and he will be back in form very quickly.

Facts ... please, you can prove anything with facts

Countertrey wrote:The irony is that, this post-injury syndrome, in fact, is likely to be more severe, the younger you are as an adult when you receive it. (it doesn't really apply to extremely well conditioned athletes, though... because the better your condition, the more powerfully muscled you are, the more likely you are to have an issue with compartment syndrome from a crushing or hematoma-producing trauma, as there is less flexibility within the muscle fascia for rapid expansion of intra-compartment volume).

So, it would be accurate to say that "This injury is the result of Taylor's obsession with ongoing conditioning and attention to his physical development. If he were less well conditioned, we wouldn't have this problem. What a stupid idea to go out and get an uncredibly well conditioned athlete. There were plenty of young, fat, lazy, and marginal d-tackles on the market... why didn't we go get one of them????"

The real bottom line is, Taylor will be ok... and he will be back in form very quickly.

Wow, let me recap the part I understood.

Trey wrote:The real bottom line is, Taylor will be ok... and he will be back in form very quickly.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:The irony is that, this post-injury syndrome, in fact, is likely to be more severe, the younger you are as an adult when you receive it. (it doesn't really apply to extremely well conditioned athletes, though... because the better your condition, the more powerfully muscled you are, the more likely you are to have an issue with compartment syndrome from a crushing or hematoma-producing trauma, as there is less flexibility within the muscle fascia for rapid expansion of intra-compartment volume).

So, it would be accurate to say that "This injury is the result of Taylor's obsession with ongoing conditioning and attention to his physical development. If he were less well conditioned, we wouldn't have this problem. What a stupid idea to go out and get an uncredibly well conditioned athlete. There were plenty of young, fat, lazy, and marginal d-tackles on the market... why didn't we go get one of them????"

The real bottom line is, Taylor will be ok... and he will be back in form very quickly.

Wow, let me recap the part I understood.

Trey wrote:The real bottom line is, Taylor will be ok... and he will be back in form very quickly.

If I read the quote from JT in the paper this week, it said that he could be out from as little as a couple days to a couple of months.

Sounds to me like the bottom line is not very well defined. And what is back to form for a guy who's barely been noticeable on the field over the first 3 weeks?

Did #55 want to come to DC to win a championship or just pocket the remainder of his huge contract he's been overpaid in? Answer this and you'll see why we made a kneejerk overreaction to the loss of phillip d.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Did #55 want to come to DC to win a championship or just pocket the remainder of his huge contract he's been overpaid in? Answer this and you'll see why we made a kneejerk overreaction to the loss of phillip d.

ok, i'll play............



to win a championship.















i still don't see the answer to the "kneejerk overreaction" that you contend..........

Gibbs4Life wrote:Did #55 want to come to DC to win a championship or just pocket the remainder of his huge contract he's been overpaid in? Answer this and you'll see why we made a kneejerk overreaction to the loss of phillip d.

Kneejerk reaction? Are you kidding me? On paper, JT is the best DE we could hope for! Just read the many quotes on this board to see how his great injury free record virtually guarantees the Danny a berth in John Madden '08' Pro Football Super Bowl! Who cares about the real world! JT was a great pick!

So far we've got at least a couple of tipped balls in exchange for next years' second round draft pick, and if Taylor ever gets healthy, we may even get more! And we can thank the brilliant personnel wizardry of the Danny! After all, who could have guessed that a 34 year old DE would not give a signficant contribution? Oh, well, myself and a bunch of other people on this board did, but what do we know? It's just bad luck that our 34 year old DE got hurt, I tell ya! We're cursed! And anyway, our second round draft picks usually wash out, not through any fault of our front office, based on the analyses of many fans here, again, that's just bad luck. Our FO is great, it's just bad luck that makes them look like they suck!

old-timer wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Did #55 want to come to DC to win a championship or just pocket the remainder of his huge contract he's been overpaid in? Answer this and you'll see why we made a kneejerk overreaction to the loss of phillip d.

Kneejerk reaction? Are you kidding me? On paper, JT is the best DE we could hope for! Just read the many quotes on this board to see how his great injury free record virtually guarantees the Danny a berth in John Madden '08' Pro Football Super Bowl! Who cares about the real world! JT was a great pick!

So far we've got at least a couple of tipped balls in exchange for next years' second round draft pick, and if Taylor ever gets healthy, we may even get more! And we can thank the brilliant personnel wizardry of the Danny! After all, who could have guessed that a 34 year old DE would not give a signficant contribution? Oh, well, myself and a bunch of other people on this board did, but what do we know? It's just bad luck that our 34 year old DE got hurt, I tell ya! We're cursed! And anyway, our second round draft picks usually wash out, not through any fault of our front office, based on the analyses of many fans here, again, that's just bad luck. Our FO is great, it's just bad luck that makes them look like they suck!

So, we sign the guy for two years and after 3 games, you've concluded that your "prediction" of little contribution was accurate? Wow, that's an impressive conclusion.

And you're so right. The failure of our front office to predict future injuries is costing us, especially when a few on this board were so easily able to forecast such injuries. There was clearly vast evidence available from Taylor's career to show the guy is injury prone and was a high risk signing. The FO's oversight and failure to evaluate Taylor's prior history clearly shows incompetence. The doctors warned them, but they had to get their guy, right? Perhaps they should invest in a new crystal ball specifically designed to predict future injuries in the game of football. They're apparently readily available since you have one.

The logic being used here reminds me of the guy who walks up to the roulette table and puts all of his money on black because the ball has landed on red for the last 8 rolls. . .

So, because Jason Taylor didn't have an injury history and was 33 years old, the front office should have known he was due?

old-timer wrote:And we can thank the brilliant personnel wizardry of the Danny! After all, who could have guessed that a 34 year old DE would not give a signficant contribution? Oh, well, myself and a bunch of other people on this board did, but what do we know? It's just bad luck that our 34 year old DE got hurt, I tell ya! We're cursed! And anyway, our second round draft picks usually wash out, not through any fault of our front office, based on the analyses of many fans here, again, that's just bad luck. Our FO is great, it's just bad luck that makes them look like they suck!

Do me a favor. Go over to pro football reference and click on 'Players' and 'DL' to see the full list of defensive linemen. They have a list of 'well-known' players on the right. Many of these are the great DEs of all time (Reggie White, Bruce Smith, Merlin Olsen, Michael Strahan, etc.)

Now, not all of the best-known or greatest DEs played until they were 34 or older. But, start clicking around and look at the ones who did last that long (or even longer). Pay particular attention to the years right around 33-35. Notice that the vast majority of the greatest DEs actually played full seasons at that age and were highly productive.

There is no question that Jason Taylor will be included on the list of great DEs, whether or not he gets in the Hall (my guess right now is that he will). So why make the arrogant claim that the FO should have known better, when Jason Taylor himself had no injury history, is in great shape, and it simply isn't a historical fact that great DEs at his age tend to get hurt. What justifies your cynicism, sarcasm, and presumption?