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Ghost of Red Blaik wrote:I miss Horton already

Horton Who?


Just a little children's reading for you all...

But yes, Reed sucks in coverage, but what can you do? Put a rookie at safety after 2 games? It took Sean more than that to become a starter, and we ALL knew what he could do...Is Horton THAT good? I think not.

Better then Reed yes and would be a better athlete in there IMO.

Champsturf wrote:

Ghost of Red Blaik wrote:I miss Horton already

Horton Who?


Just a little children's reading for you all...

But yes, Reed sucks in coverage, but what can you do? Put a rookie at safety after 2 games? It took Sean more than that to become a starter, and we ALL knew what he could do...Is Horton THAT good? I think not.

Landry started right away and wasn't/isn't as good as Sean...

So, when you were playing Strong Safety for the Redskins, how would you have played them?

I'm not an NFL safety genius. But there are NFL safeties, about 31 of them right now better than your boy.

Believe it or not there are players out there who could play the position, should'nt we expect to have a safety that can cover a deep post and make tackles, I mean it does occur, I don't think that's asking too much.

Anyone see Reed D. against the colts in pre-season, if we see him start next week we are in trouble write it down.

Even after a win there's negativity.

If Fitz was crawling on the field like a baby, Reed would still have an issue covering him. LOL

That play can go either way depending on the pass rush. If the rush gets there like it should, Reed goes unnoticed. If it doesn't like it typically does (it has improved drastically, its still not consistent tho), Reed gets fried like a bad perm.

Is it bad coaching? No... In a way...it's not because you must trust your men. Butttttt... I believe they're giving Reed enough rope to hang himself with.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Reed was responsible for 14 points at least the Fitz td and the Boldin td.

Reed also forced a fumble in the 1st quarter that we turned into three points.

Californiaskin wrote:doughty is soft against the run............horton is a beast when blitzing and reminds me more of sean

Reed is better against the run than he is against the pass.

JSPB22 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Reed was responsible for 14 points at least the Fitz td and the Boldin td.

Reed also forced a fumble in the 1st quarter that we turned into three points.

I thought McIntosh was the one who forced the fumble...Reed was holding onto James, and McIntosh flew in there and forced the fumble?

PulpExposure wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Reed was responsible for 14 points at least the Fitz td and the Boldin td.

Reed also forced a fumble in the 1st quarter that we turned into three points.

I thought McIntosh was the one who forced the fumble...Reed was holding onto James, and McIntosh flew in there and forced the fumble?

I believe you're correct

Fios wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Reed was responsible for 14 points at least the Fitz td and the Boldin td.

Reed also forced a fumble in the 1st quarter that we turned into three points.

I thought McIntosh was the one who forced the fumble...Reed was holding onto James, and McIntosh flew in there and forced the fumble?

I believe you're correct

Nope, you're both wrong.

Associated Press

Running back Edgerrin James fumbles when hit by Reed Doughty on Sunday. It was the Cardinals' first turnover of the season.

I noted it at the time because of this very thread.

Yeah, I thought it was Reed too. I think he got his helmet on the ball.

Doughty was decent except for that long TD catch by Fitzgerald. Apparently Doughty jumped the route and then couldn't recover in time; I believe he was benched for the rest of the game after that play too. Can't afford those kinds of mistakes, but it was against a very good receiver.

JSPB22 wrote:

Fios wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Reed was responsible for 14 points at least the Fitz td and the Boldin td.

Reed also forced a fumble in the 1st quarter that we turned into three points.

I thought McIntosh was the one who forced the fumble...Reed was holding onto James, and McIntosh flew in there and forced the fumble?

I believe you're correct

Nope, you're both wrong.

The official boxscore for the gamedisagrees with you and agrees with the Cup and I. It lists Rocky McIntosh as forcing a fumble, and Reed Doughty with 0 forced fumbles.

The title of your AP screenshot just may be wrong.

PulpExposure wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Fios wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Reed was responsible for 14 points at least the Fitz td and the Boldin td.

Reed also forced a fumble in the 1st quarter that we turned into three points.

I thought McIntosh was the one who forced the fumble...Reed was holding onto James, and McIntosh flew in there and forced the fumble?

I believe you're correct

Nope, you're both wrong.

Associated Press

Running back Edgerrin James fumbles when hit by Reed Doughty on Sunday. It was the Cardinals' first turnover of the season.

I noted it at the time because of this very thread.

The official boxscore for the game[url=[url=http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29567&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2008&week=REG3]disagrees with you[/url] and agrees with the Cup and I. It lists Rocky McIntosh as forcing a fumble, and Reed Doughty with 0 forced fumbles.

The title of your AP screenshot just may be wrong.

Isn't Rocky #52 and Reed #37? The picture doesn't lie. And like I said, I noted it at the time because of this thread.

JSPB22 wrote:Isn't Rocky #52 and Reed #37? The picture doesn't lie. And like I said, I noted it at the time because of this thread.

It doesn't show McIntosh at all, does it? It's a partial picture, not the whole one.

I also noted it at the time, and wondered who caused the fumble...and after watching the replay, thought it was McIntosh.

I just linked the official boxscore. The NFL agrees with me. I figured that would have settled it, but I guess not?

Reed put his helmet squarely on the ball. In the picture, it is less than a fraction of a second after the hit, and you're right, Rocky is nowhere to be seen. I'm sure the NFL will correct the stats after further review.

JSPB22 wrote:Reed put his helmet squarely on the ball. In the picture, it is less than a fraction of a second after the hit, and you're right, Rocky is nowhere to be seen. I'm sure the NFL will correct the stats after further review.

i dont think they care that much about small stats like that

Reed had a pretty solid game, he was there to make the play for the most part. The long TD was designed to get the safety to bite, if he didn't bite they wouldn't throw it to Fitz, you win some you lose some, hopefully Reed will allow the small marginal plays and snuff out the big ones like this one. The guy has heart, he tried his best to get back but it was way too late. That fumble was McIntosh laying wood and sandwiching James between him and Reed, W/o Mc's hit reed won't be able to pop that ball out.

ChocolateMilk wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Reed put his helmet squarely on the ball. In the picture, it is less than a fraction of a second after the hit, and you're right, Rocky is nowhere to be seen. I'm sure the NFL will correct the stats after further review.

i dont think they care that much about small stats like that

Sure they do.
This video shows the play at about 0:21. Rocky hits him in the back, but it is Reed's hit that knocks the ball out. He put his helmet squarely on the ball.

SKINFAN wrote:Reed had a pretty solid game, he was there to make the play for the most part. The long TD was designed to get the safety to bite, if he didn't bite they wouldn't throw it to Fitz, you win some you lose some, hopefully Reed will allow the small marginal plays and snuff out the big ones like this one. The guy has heart, he tried his best to get back but it was way too late. That fumble was McIntosh laying wood and sandwiching James between him and Reed, W/o Mc's hit reed won't be able to pop that ball out.

yeah but some times having heart and trying your best isnt enough. im sure he's a great guy but he's just not starting safety material. And in his career he has lost more than he has won. He cant keep making the same mistakes next week at dallas or Romo will tear it up against us

ChocolateMilk wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:Reed had a pretty solid game, he was there to make the play for the most part. The long TD was designed to get the safety to bite, if he didn't bite they wouldn't throw it to Fitz, you win some you lose some, hopefully Reed will allow the small marginal plays and snuff out the big ones like this one. The guy has heart, he tried his best to get back but it was way too late. That fumble was McIntosh laying wood and sandwiching James between him and Reed, W/o Mc's hit reed won't be able to pop that ball out.

yeah but some times having heart and trying your best isnt enough. im sure he's a great guy but he's just not starting safety material. And in his career he has lost more than he has won. He cant keep making the same mistakes next week at dallas or Romo will tear it up against us

IMO, the long pass to Fitzgerald is less on Reed than on the fact that Warner had all day to wait for him to get open and pass him the ball.

ChocolateMilk wrote:

SKINFAN wrote:Reed had a pretty solid game, he was there to make the play for the most part. The long TD was designed to get the safety to bite, if he didn't bite they wouldn't throw it to Fitz, you win some you lose some, hopefully Reed will allow the small marginal plays and snuff out the big ones like this one. The guy has heart, he tried his best to get back but it was way too late. That fumble was McIntosh laying wood and sandwiching James between him and Reed, W/o Mc's hit reed won't be able to pop that ball out.

yeah but some times having heart and trying your best isnt enough. im sure he's a great guy but he's just not starting safety material. And in his career he has lost more than he has won. He cant keep making the same mistakes next week at dallas or Romo will tear it up against us

How do you know he's not starting safety material, do you sit in practice all week and take notes on both Horton and Doughty? Not trying to attack you but my point is that Blache is not an idiot, he'll start who ever can give us the best chance of winning, or send in packages that optimizes personnel. I just think that Reed, for now, has that starting spot, it's his to lose, and it does look like Horton might be a better option. This I think is a good thing, having the luxury of grooming a rookie to take over the spot.

Reed is a "good" player. Almost all NFL players are "good".

Is he a solid NFL starter: No.

Horton should be starting, but Reed is a good player.

JSPB22 wrote:IMO, the long pass to Fitzgerald is less on Reed than on the fact that Warner had all day to wait for him to get open and pass him the ball.

I disagree. At no point during that play was Reed in position to be successful. The only time he wasn't behind the behind the WR was when Larry was behind the LOS.