McCain Picks Palin For VP - Running Mate

[KazooSkinsFan]

liberal media

Your political posts always seem level-headed and logical until you drop this phrase in. That the main-stream media in this country has a liberal slant is a patently ridiculous idea.

Not liking reality doesn't make it not real. They don't "lean" Left, they ARE left. But as long as libs like it I guess that means it's fair. There's no "slant" about it. They ARE Democrats reporting on themselves. Did you see the Democratic convention and all the reporters with their hands down their pants "reporting" on the great and glorious Democratic party, how Obama is MLK Jr reincarnate? They didn't "report" the Democratic platform, they pounded it themselves.

[GSPODS]

liberal media

Your political posts always seem level-headed and logical until you drop this phrase in. That the main-stream media in this country has a liberal slant is a patently ridiculous idea.

Yet another in a long line of Kazoo's political arguments:

Argumentum ad ignorantiam means "argument from ignorance." The fallacy occurs when it's argued that something must be true, simply because it hasn't been proved false. Or, equivalently, when it is argued that something must be false because it hasn't been proved true.

Nobody on this message board has proven that the media doesn't have a liberal slant, therefore the media has a liberal slant. This is exactly the same logic that Kazoo criticizes in other posts.

The idea that a member posting any piece written by a third party is a concrete statement that the member shares the opinion of the piece is inherently and patently rediculous.

[Deadskins]

liberal media

Your political posts always seem level-headed and logical until you drop this phrase in. That the main-stream media in this country has a liberal slant is a patently ridiculous idea.

Not liking reality doesn't make it not real. They don't "lean" Left, they ARE left.

Please, a leftist media, logically, would jump all over themselves promoting a book like Vincent Bugliosi's The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder. Yet to date, there has been virtually no media coverage for that book. The book made the NYT's best-seller list strictly by word of mouth. In fact, he had a hard time even finding a publisher who would touch the subject.

That you think it IS liberal, only proves that you are taken in by the conservative spin machine's constant harping on this theme. Are many journalists liberal? No doubt. But that doesn't prove the media itself is liberal.

The next time you read a newspaper, look past the headlines on the front page, and see what news is reported in the middle of the front section. The media is a tool for controlling the thinking of the masses, nothing more. What gets reported, where it gets reported, and with how much conviction, shows clearly that there is not true press freedom in this country. In fact, Reporters Without Borders, ranks the US # 48 in press freedom. http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025

[Countertrey]

Presidential scholars say Palin appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.

Gosh. It seems to me that she and Obama are running neck and neck for that title.

While Obama has about 6 months more in major office experience, he has NEVER been in an executive office. Give that one to Palin.


The "presidential scholars" must be using Democrat spin.

[GSPODS]

Presidential scholars say Palin appears to be the least experienced, least credentialed person to join a major-party ticket in the modern era.

Gosh. It seems to me that she and Obama are running neck and neck for that title.

While Obama has about 6 months more in major office experience, he has NEVER been in an executive office. Give that one to Palin.


The "presidential scholars" must be using Democrat spin.

According to the McCain Camp, that is exactly the case.
I think there is some minutiae debate about which candidate has or doesn't have experience at the Congressional level, but again, minutiae.

On the other hand, most of McCain's political experience is exaggerated.
Spending time as a POW, while undoubtedly patriotic to American values, is not any qualification for the Presidency. It is a qualification for the Vice-Presidency, as that position spends more time dealing with foreign affairs.

The primary concern here is that McCain is 72, so the odds that his VP candidate will become President are fairly high compared with Obama, who is 47? On the other hand, the odds that someone will take a "pot shot" at Obama are greater, so it probably balances out.

I suppose it ultimately comes down to:

Obama's non-experience +
Biden's experience as a Liberal

Vs.

McCain's experience +
Palin's non-experience as a Conservative

AND which Presidential Candidate a person believes has a higher chance of surviving his term of Office.

My question is: How many people will not vote for McCain ONLY because they are uncomfortable with the thought of Palin as President?

[Countertrey]

I suppose it ultimately comes down to:

Obama's non-experience +
Biden's experience as a Liberal

Vs.

McCain's experience +
Palin's non-experience as a Conservative

AND which Presidential Candidate a person believes has a higher chance of surviving his term of Office.

My question is: How many people will not vote for McCain ONLY because they are uncomfortable with the thought of Palin as President?

Took me about a nanosecond to decide... the moment I saw Palin handling an M4 like... well... like a soldier would... Repeatedly squeezing off 3 round bursts like a pro.

Yup... I like the choice. 5 kids. Hunts (clearly knows how to handle a weapon... you can't fake that) Son in the Army, about to rotate (the DA may need to make a choice to put a hold on that, now that the whole world knows)... Husband has a real job. Governor of the largest state in the union...

And, no ludicrous "where kin ah git me a huntin' lahsinse" quotes, either.


Yeah, I know... it's still a shame that the Dems haven't put up someone that I could actually vote for without having a lobotomy first. Someday, the Democrats will actually care more about running the country than looking good.

A sweet talking leftist virgin who has never done crap except talk... or a mealy mouthed labor whore (who, btw, has, in the past, all but endorsed McCain).

Sorry. Just don't see it, Dems.

[Fios]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

[Deadskins]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

The Republicans were just using the pick to to deaden Obama's convention bounce. It's not inconceivable that she might be replaced.

[Fios]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

The Republicans were just using the pick to to deaden Obama's convention bounce. It's not inconceivable that she might be replaced.

I think Pawlenty or Lieberman or Jendal would have been a better choice, I think especially in this election you have to play to the middle, I don't think the far right base is nearly as unified as McCain's camp believes. I just can't see the undecided moderate voter being comfortable with a McCain/Palin slate.

[GSPODS]

Here's the swing for the vote:

Palin The Sportscaster

[Fios]

Here's the swing for the vote:

Palin The Sportscaster

There was a team called the Bullets?!?!?! Their city must have been plagued by a wave of violence that could only be stemmed by a name change.

[Deadskins]

I just think it's funny that after railing on Obama, for being inexperienced, ever since he clinched the nomination, they make this pick. Anyone else see the hypocrisy here.

[GSPODS]

I just think it's funny that after railing on Obama, for being inexperienced, ever since he clinched the nomination, they make this pick. Anyone else see the hypocrisy here.

Yes, I do. And so do any number of political pundits.
I believe Fios pointed out the effect this is likely to have on moderates of either party.

[DEHog]

By the way, I hate both politicial parties equally, so this isn't a shot strictly at the Republicans so much as a "What was McCain thinking?"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight....Reread all your post after that comment and tell me what party do you see that person leaning towards??

The American people are the ones to blame for these picks (Obama and Palin) we have become more concerned about looks and how a person talks than the amount of experience they have. Truth be told if they both had to interview for the job, neither would even get their foot in the door.
2cents

[Deadskins]

By the way, I hate both politicial parties equally, so this isn't a shot strictly at the Republicans so much as a "What was McCain thinking?"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight....Reread all your post after that comment and tell me what party do you see that person leaning towards??

The American people are the ones to blame for these picks (Obama and Palin) we have become more concerned about looks and how a person talks than the amount of experience they have. Truth be told if they both had to interview for the job, neither would even get their foot in the door.
2cents

Obama was a law professor and the president of the Harvard Law Review, before he entered politics. Those are pretty impressive credentials. I can see him getting a foot in the door.

[DEHog]

By the way, I hate both politicial parties equally, so this isn't a shot strictly at the Republicans so much as a "What was McCain thinking?"

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight....Reread all your post after that comment and tell me what party do you see that person leaning towards??

The American people are the ones to blame for these picks (Obama and Palin) we have become more concerned about looks and how a person talks than the amount of experience they have. Truth be told if they both had to interview for the job, neither would even get their foot in the door.
2cents

Obama was a law professor and the president of the Harvard Law Review, before he entered politics. Those are pretty impressive credentials. I can see him getting a foot in the door.

For President?? I don't see that...For me…Washington need another lawyer like New Orleans needs another Hurricane

[Deadskins]

It'd be nice to have a President who actually understands the law, for a change though.

[DEHog]

It'd be nice to have a President who actually understands the law, for a change though.

...and is on the right side of it!

[KazooSkinsFan]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

Not sure I agree with this for one reason, Hillary supporters. Hillary and Obama agreed on all the issues, the question was if liberals wanted a black or woman president. McCain was targeting the ones who wanted a "woman." He doesn't need to snare many of them. It may work, it may not, but I don't see how it hurts him. There are a bunch of libbies who won't vote for him because of Palin, the same ones who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

[Deadskins]

It'd be nice to have a President who actually understands the law, for a change though.

...and is on the right side of it!

Amen.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

The Republicans were just using the pick to to deaden Obama's convention bounce. It's not inconceivable that she might be replaced.

I think Pawlenty or Lieberman or Jendal would have been a better choice, I think especially in this election you have to play to the middle, I don't think the far right base is nearly as unified as McCain's camp believes. I just can't see the undecided moderate voter being comfortable with a McCain/Palin slate.

Pawlenty - sort of a "yawn" candidate. Granted he doesn't really give the Left much to run against but doesn't really bring anything to the table. If he's going that route Romney would be a better choice, at least he helps with Michigan, New Hampshire and makes it harder for Obama to steal Colorado. Solidifies Utah and Idaho, but they weren't going for Obama anyway.

Lieberman - No way. The guy is a socialist liberal. He disagrees with Democrats to my knowledge on two issues (Middle East, school vouchers) and irritated the Democrats by actually condemning Clintion's infidelity (the shock). How does putting a liberal Democrat on the Republican ticket do anything but tell Conservatives to stay home, it really and truly doesn't matter?

Jendal - Agreed, he would have been a good pick. Probably a better one then Palin other then the strategic thing of going for Hillary supporters.

[DEHog]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

Not sure I agree with this for one reason, Hillary supporters. Hillary and Obama agreed on all the issues, the question was if liberals wanted a black or woman president. McCain was targeting the ones who wanted a "woman." He doesn't need to snare many of them. It may work, it may not, but I don't see how it hurts him. There are a bunch of libbies who won't vote for him because of Palin, the same ones who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

Agreed...If Condie Rice wasn't so tainted by Bush she'd be a nice pick for the GOP

[KazooSkinsFan]

It'd be nice to have a President who actually understands the law, for a change though.

...and is on the right side of it!

Obama? On the right of the law? Let's start with nationalizing health care and energy and the 10th Amendment. He wants to focus on an undeclared war in Afghanistan. Then there's the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th Amendments. How about using the tax code as a means to punish companies he doesn't like and stating he agrees with using it as a tool to redistribute wealth. Oops. Check and mate. And we could have gone on so long with this. Republicans are horrible too. But Obama's on the "right side of it?" NOT.

[Deadskins]

It'd be nice to have a President who actually understands the law, for a change though.

...and is on the right side of it!

Obama? On the right of the law? Let's start with nationalizing health care and energy and the 10th Amendment. He wants to focus on an undeclared war in Afghanistan. Then there's the 1st, 2nd, 5th and 9th Amendments. How about using the tax code as a means to punish companies he doesn't like and stating he agrees with using it as a tool to redistribute wealth. Oops. Check and mate. And we could have gone on so long with this. Republicans are horrible too. But Obama's on the "right side of it?" NOT.

I think that was more of a dig at Clinton and Bush, than an affirmation of Obama.

[KazooSkinsFan]

Stupid pick, it just further alienates moderates

Not sure I agree with this for one reason, Hillary supporters. Hillary and Obama agreed on all the issues, the question was if liberals wanted a black or woman president. McCain was targeting the ones who wanted a "woman." He doesn't need to snare many of them. It may work, it may not, but I don't see how it hurts him. There are a bunch of libbies who won't vote for him because of Palin, the same ones who weren't going to vote for him anyway.

Agreed...If Condie Rice wasn't so tainted by Bush she'd be a nice pick for the GOP

I had some early interest in her. She did a great job representing this country at State, way better then I thought any Bush appointee could do. But she never gave any reason beyond that to have any idea of what she believes on anything. Maybe appropriate for State but not for a candidate.

Also, she was asked if she supported McCain or Obama and said she wasn't revealing that. I considered that a bizarre response for a senior Republican to not know if they are supporting their party candidate or a Marxist, terrorist appeasing Democrat. Even McCain when undercutting Bush in 2004 came out and said he was for Bush. I'm not a politico, but there was no reason for her to be cagey in that choice. State is not a non-partisan office.