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RayNAustin wrote:I betcha one thing....if that 100+ Million in player salaries each year was coming out of the Jason Campbell fan club pockets....a greater sense of urgency, and a higher standard for production would be evident. And I doubt very seriously if many would be willing to sacrifice an entire season without even attempting a change.

This isn't about "protecting" JC. It's about our best shot of the choices WE HAVE. We have 3 and more QB choices are very, very difficult to come by in the NFL. If the job were on the line of the hysterical, over reacting, reality deprived JC bashers who actually think Colt is remotely ready for the real NFL where he's not playing guys TRYING to make the team as BACKUPS and BACKUPS TO BACKUPS in games that don't count or that Collins is more then a decent backup and we should dump JC now and turn to them then they probably wouldn't spend their time bashing him without a real alternative. It's easy to say JC sucks, it's hard to solve the problem.

I haven't seen ANYONE say JC is a certain thing or that we should stick with him forever. Just we've invested a lot in him, it takes time to groom an NFL QB, and we have NO BETTER OPTIONS!!!! Colt is unlikely to ever be a starter much less a good one and Collins is no more then a stop gap. Going with JC is a roll of the dice, but it's turning to our backups that's tossing the season out the window.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I betcha one thing....if that 100+ Million in player salaries each year was coming out of the Jason Campbell fan club pockets....a greater sense of urgency, and a higher standard for production would be evident. And I doubt very seriously if many would be willing to sacrifice an entire season without even attempting a change.

This isn't about "protecting" JC. It's about our best shot of the choices WE HAVE. We have 3 and more QB choices are very, very difficult to come by in the NFL. If the job were on the line of the hysterical, over reacting, reality deprived JC bashers who actually think Colt is remotely ready for the real NFL where he's not playing guys TRYING to make the team as BACKUPS and BACKUPS TO BACKUPS in games that don't count or that Collins is more then a decent backup and we should dump JC now and turn to them then they probably wouldn't spend their time bashing him without a real alternative. It's easy to say JC sucks, it's hard to solve the problem.

I haven't seen ANYONE say JC is a certain thing or that we should stick with him forever. Just we've invested a lot in him, it takes time to groom an NFL QB, and we have NO BETTER OPTIONS!!!! Colt is unlikely to ever be a starter much less a good one and Collins is no more then a stop gap. Going with JC is a roll of the dice, but it's turning to our backups that's tossing the season out the window.

Well said.

JSPB22 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I betcha one thing....if that 100+ Million in player salaries each year was coming out of the Jason Campbell fan club pockets....a greater sense of urgency, and a higher standard for production would be evident. And I doubt very seriously if many would be willing to sacrifice an entire season without even attempting a change.

This isn't about "protecting" JC. It's about our best shot of the choices WE HAVE. We have 3 and more QB choices are very, very difficult to come by in the NFL. If the job were on the line of the hysterical, over reacting, reality deprived JC bashers who actually think Colt is remotely ready for the real NFL where he's not playing guys TRYING to make the team as BACKUPS and BACKUPS TO BACKUPS in games that don't count or that Collins is more then a decent backup and we should dump JC now and turn to them then they probably wouldn't spend their time bashing him without a real alternative. It's easy to say JC sucks, it's hard to solve the problem.

I haven't seen ANYONE say JC is a certain thing or that we should stick with him forever. Just we've invested a lot in him, it takes time to groom an NFL QB, and we have NO BETTER OPTIONS!!!! Colt is unlikely to ever be a starter much less a good one and Collins is no more then a stop gap. Going with JC is a roll of the dice, but it's turning to our backups that's tossing the season out the window.

Well said.

You two have no sense of reality. Colt is ready to win the superbowl tomorrow. Collins has watched more than 100 games from the sidelines, and therefore is ready to win the superbowl tomorrow. Jason Campbell doesn't complete 100% of his passes, and we all know that he'll never win the big game because he didn't win it in any of the last three years.

You guys are so blind. Especially FIOS.

JansenFan wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I betcha one thing....if that 100+ Million in player salaries each year was coming out of the Jason Campbell fan club pockets....a greater sense of urgency, and a higher standard for production would be evident. And I doubt very seriously if many would be willing to sacrifice an entire season without even attempting a change.

This isn't about "protecting" JC. It's about our best shot of the choices WE HAVE. We have 3 and more QB choices are very, very difficult to come by in the NFL. If the job were on the line of the hysterical, over reacting, reality deprived JC bashers who actually think Colt is remotely ready for the real NFL where he's not playing guys TRYING to make the team as BACKUPS and BACKUPS TO BACKUPS in games that don't count or that Collins is more then a decent backup and we should dump JC now and turn to them then they probably wouldn't spend their time bashing him without a real alternative. It's easy to say JC sucks, it's hard to solve the problem.

I haven't seen ANYONE say JC is a certain thing or that we should stick with him forever. Just we've invested a lot in him, it takes time to groom an NFL QB, and we have NO BETTER OPTIONS!!!! Colt is unlikely to ever be a starter much less a good one and Collins is no more then a stop gap. Going with JC is a roll of the dice, but it's turning to our backups that's tossing the season out the window.

Well said.

You two have no sense of reality. Colt is ready to win the superbowl tomorrow. Collins has watched more than 100 games from the sidelines, and therefore is ready to win the superbowl tomorrow. Jason Campbell doesn't complete 100% of his passes, and we all know that he'll never win the big game because he didn't win it in any of the last three years.

You guys are so blind. Especially FIOS.

No one is more blind than you, if you can't see that ARE is the best QB on the roster, and the best equipped to win the big one for us.

JSPB22 wrote:

JansenFan wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I betcha one thing....if that 100+ Million in player salaries each year was coming out of the Jason Campbell fan club pockets....a greater sense of urgency, and a higher standard for production would be evident. And I doubt very seriously if many would be willing to sacrifice an entire season without even attempting a change.

This isn't about "protecting" JC. It's about our best shot of the choices WE HAVE. We have 3 and more QB choices are very, very difficult to come by in the NFL. If the job were on the line of the hysterical, over reacting, reality deprived JC bashers who actually think Colt is remotely ready for the real NFL where he's not playing guys TRYING to make the team as BACKUPS and BACKUPS TO BACKUPS in games that don't count or that Collins is more then a decent backup and we should dump JC now and turn to them then they probably wouldn't spend their time bashing him without a real alternative. It's easy to say JC sucks, it's hard to solve the problem.

I haven't seen ANYONE say JC is a certain thing or that we should stick with him forever. Just we've invested a lot in him, it takes time to groom an NFL QB, and we have NO BETTER OPTIONS!!!! Colt is unlikely to ever be a starter much less a good one and Collins is no more then a stop gap. Going with JC is a roll of the dice, but it's turning to our backups that's tossing the season out the window.

Well said.

You two have no sense of reality. Colt is ready to win the superbowl tomorrow. Collins has watched more than 100 games from the sidelines, and therefore is ready to win the superbowl tomorrow. Jason Campbell doesn't complete 100% of his passes, and we all know that he'll never win the big game because he didn't win it in any of the last three years.

You guys are so blind. Especially FIOS.

No one is more blind than you, if you can't see that ARE is the best QB on the roster, and the best equipped to win the big one for us.

What are you talking about?

Jim Zorn is clearly the best QB the Redskins have.

And he'll prove it, as soon as he cuts everyone else to make room for himself.

old-timer wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Are we not watching the same games? Am I trapped in an alternate universe for which no one else here resides?

The 'wall of denial' here is very high indeed, my friend. You can talk til you're blue in the face, and by the way your post above to SkinsFreak is excellently done. These guys, including FIOS, who adds nothing to the conversation but takes lots of little potshots, are not ready to listen to reason, however. The idea that Jason Campbell is some great future QB is almost a religion to them, in fact, sometimes they seem to think he's a great QB already, which he obviously is not.

So, to be fair, I do add something to the conversation. That's a neat trick you've managed to pull there by the way. Unrelenting negativity is somehow a sign of objectivity while a stance like mine (which, for the record, is -- and has been -- JC has done enough to earn a shot at proving he can be a successful starter in this league) is somehow evidence of a slavish devotion to whatever the team does. Solid logic there.

GSPODS wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

GSPODS wrote:IF the season is a lost cause, meaning Jason Campbell isn't "The Answer", then Todd Collins certainly isn't the long-term answer, so yes, it should then be Colt Brennan time, for better or worse.

I absolutely agree with that, but only if the season is over and it's been determined Jason in not worthy of starting caliber status. Although I don't believe that will happen and I think Jason has the talent and the potential. I would also think, given some time, much like with Hasselbeck, Zorn will coach up Jason into a better than average QB.

But some others here were suggesting we bench Campbell and start Collins at this point. As I said, Collins is a good back-up, but that's the extent of his abilities. His career is proof of that.

I agree Jason Campbell has the talent and the potential. I think asking any QB to change systems and philosophies every season is asking too much. Every top tier QB and most above average one have only played in one system for their entire careers, or perhaps two. But certainly not six or seven. I agree that, if given more than one season to do so, Jim Zorn will get the most out of Jason Campbell, who is at least as talented as Matt Hasselbeck. I also agree that Todd Collins usefulness and his shelf life are limited. He is a great asset as a short-term veteran backup and as a mentor, but he is about the last long-term solution I'd consider.
Any suggestion of benching Jason Campbell for anyone currently on the Redskins roster is ridiculous.

I wasn't advocating benching JC for Colt, maybe I didn't express my thoughts clearly enough. I was advocating that if JC goes down like he did last yera for an extended time, that we give Colt some game time and see what he's got. I like the situation we had with MB/TC/JC, TC comes in in the middle of the game, but JC came in if MB went down for an extended period of time, the JC came in. I believe we should do the same for Brennan.

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Are we not watching the same games? Am I trapped in an alternate universe for which no one else here resides?

The 'wall of denial' here is very high indeed, my friend. You can talk til you're blue in the face, and by the way your post above to SkinsFreak is excellently done. These guys, including FIOS, who adds nothing to the conversation but takes lots of little potshots, are not ready to listen to reason, however. The idea that Jason Campbell is some great future QB is almost a religion to them, in fact, sometimes they seem to think he's a great QB already, which he obviously is not.

So, to be fair, I do add something to the conversation. That's a neat trick you've managed to pull there by the way. Unrelenting negativity is somehow a sign of objectivity while a stance like mine (which, for the record, is -- and has been -- JC has done enough to earn a shot at proving he can be a successful starter in this league) is somehow evidence of a slavish devotion to whatever the team does. Solid logic there.

Logic? You want logic? Better find a Vulcan board. Humans are highly illogical.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

GSPODS wrote:IF the season is a lost cause, meaning Jason Campbell isn't "The Answer", then Todd Collins certainly isn't the long-term answer, so yes, it should then be Colt Brennan time, for better or worse.

I absolutely agree with that, but only if the season is over and it's been determined Jason in not worthy of starting caliber status. Although I don't believe that will happen and I think Jason has the talent and the potential. I would also think, given some time, much like with Hasselbeck, Zorn will coach up Jason into a better than average QB.

But some others here were suggesting we bench Campbell and start Collins at this point. As I said, Collins is a good back-up, but that's the extent of his abilities. His career is proof of that.

I agree Jason Campbell has the talent and the potential. I think asking any QB to change systems and philosophies every season is asking too much. Every top tier QB and most above average one have only played in one system for their entire careers, or perhaps two. But certainly not six or seven. I agree that, if given more than one season to do so, Jim Zorn will get the most out of Jason Campbell, who is at least as talented as Matt Hasselbeck. I also agree that Todd Collins usefulness and his shelf life are limited. He is a great asset as a short-term veteran backup and as a mentor, but he is about the last long-term solution I'd consider.
Any suggestion of benching Jason Campbell for anyone currently on the Redskins roster is ridiculous.

I wasn't advocating benching JC for Colt, maybe I didn't express my thoughts clearly enough. I was advocating that if JC goes down like he did last yera for an extended time, that we give Colt some game time and see what he's got. I like the situation we had with MB/TC/JC, TC comes in in the middle of the game, but JC came in if MB went down for an extended period of time, the JC came in. I believe we should do the same for Brennan.

I think we are in agreement. I know I use too many words and confuse other people and even myself with most of my posts. I do think your post expressed your thoughts clearly. I think it was my post that was verbose and clouded in run-on sentences.

old-timer wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Are we not watching the same games? Am I trapped in an alternate universe for which no one else here resides?

The 'wall of denial' here is very high indeed, my friend. You can talk til you're blue in the face, and by the way your post above to SkinsFreak is excellently done. These guys, including FIOS, who adds nothing to the conversation but takes lots of little potshots, are not ready to listen to reason, however. The idea that Jason Campbell is some great future QB is almost a religion to them, in fact, sometimes they seem to think he's a great QB already, which he obviously is not.

Classic.

Actually, it was our decision here, you know, the ones on the "wall of denial", to have Jason Campbell be the starter. The Redskins have nothing to do with that. It was us that chose to draft him in the 1st round and it was us that anointed him the starter. Gibbs and the current coaches couldn't decide, so they left the decision to us. Can you believe that? If you had been around, you could have cast your vote for Collins. But you weren't and the wall of denial was about to fall over from the weight of so many fans. Sorry.

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Are we not watching the same games? Am I trapped in an alternate universe for which no one else here resides?

The 'wall of denial' here is very high indeed, my friend. You can talk til you're blue in the face, and by the way your post above to SkinsFreak is excellently done. These guys, including FIOS, who adds nothing to the conversation but takes lots of little potshots, are not ready to listen to reason, however. The idea that Jason Campbell is some great future QB is almost a religion to them, in fact, sometimes they seem to think he's a great QB already, which he obviously is not.

So, to be fair, I do add something to the conversation. That's a neat trick you've managed to pull there by the way. Unrelenting negativity is somehow a sign of objectivity while a stance like mine (which, for the record, is -- and has been -- JC has done enough to earn a shot at proving he can be a successful starter in this league) is somehow evidence of a slavish devotion to whatever the team does. Solid logic there.

JC has had more than a fair shot already. We should throw away another season on this guy? We've already had the worst two beatings I've ever seen with him at QB. I would think that to anyone who has watched football for any length of time, JC is clearly slow and fumble-prone. How many more games do we have to lose for him to 'get his fair shot'? In my mind, if you are outplayed, you get sat down. Collins is clearly the better QB at this point and gives us the best chance to win on any given Sunday. To me, anyone who can't see that is in deep denial.

old-timer wrote:

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Are we not watching the same games? Am I trapped in an alternate universe for which no one else here resides?

The 'wall of denial' here is very high indeed, my friend. You can talk til you're blue in the face, and by the way your post above to SkinsFreak is excellently done. These guys, including FIOS, who adds nothing to the conversation but takes lots of little potshots, are not ready to listen to reason, however. The idea that Jason Campbell is some great future QB is almost a religion to them, in fact, sometimes they seem to think he's a great QB already, which he obviously is not.

So, to be fair, I do add something to the conversation. That's a neat trick you've managed to pull there by the way. Unrelenting negativity is somehow a sign of objectivity while a stance like mine (which, for the record, is -- and has been -- JC has done enough to earn a shot at proving he can be a successful starter in this league) is somehow evidence of a slavish devotion to whatever the team does. Solid logic there.

JC has had more than a fair shot already. We should throw away another season on this guy? We've already had the worst two beatings I've ever seen with him at QB. I would think that to anyone who has watched football for any length of time, JC is clearly slow and fumble-prone. How many more games do we have to lose for him to 'get his fair shot'? In my mind, if you are outplayed, you get sat down. Collins is clearly the better QB at this point and gives us the best chance to win on any given Sunday. To me, anyone who can't see that is in deep denial.

And to me, anyone who agrees with your post has a total (and somewhat baffling) inability to see things in context. Do you honestly think Zorn is starting Campbell because he's infatuated with him? Do you honestly think the team would purposefully choose to NOT start the QB who gives them the best chance to win?

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Are we not watching the same games? Am I trapped in an alternate universe for which no one else here resides?

The 'wall of denial' here is very high indeed, my friend. You can talk til you're blue in the face, and by the way your post above to SkinsFreak is excellently done. These guys, including FIOS, who adds nothing to the conversation but takes lots of little potshots, are not ready to listen to reason, however. The idea that Jason Campbell is some great future QB is almost a religion to them, in fact, sometimes they seem to think he's a great QB already, which he obviously is not.

So, to be fair, I do add something to the conversation. That's a neat trick you've managed to pull there by the way. Unrelenting negativity is somehow a sign of objectivity while a stance like mine (which, for the record, is -- and has been -- JC has done enough to earn a shot at proving he can be a successful starter in this league) is somehow evidence of a slavish devotion to whatever the team does. Solid logic there.

JC has had more than a fair shot already. We should throw away another season on this guy? We've already had the worst two beatings I've ever seen with him at QB. I would think that to anyone who has watched football for any length of time, JC is clearly slow and fumble-prone. How many more games do we have to lose for him to 'get his fair shot'? In my mind, if you are outplayed, you get sat down. Collins is clearly the better QB at this point and gives us the best chance to win on any given Sunday. To me, anyone who can't see that is in deep denial.

And to me, anyone who agrees with your post has a total (and somewhat baffling) inability to see things in context. Do you honestly think Zorn is starting Campbell because he's infatuated with him? Do you honestly think the team would purposefully choose to NOT start the QB who gives them the best chance to win?

That's a very good question. I don't see how anyone with a firm grasp on reality can say that JC gives us the best chance to win at this point; the most often expressed opinion seems to be that he 'deserves a fair shot'. Anyone at all can see that that last game of his was just horrendous. Zorn must know that, too. The only thing I can say is that Zorn must not have full control of the decision making on this team.

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:

Fios wrote:

old-timer wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:Are we not watching the same games? Am I trapped in an alternate universe for which no one else here resides?

The 'wall of denial' here is very high indeed, my friend. You can talk til you're blue in the face, and by the way your post above to SkinsFreak is excellently done. These guys, including FIOS, who adds nothing to the conversation but takes lots of little potshots, are not ready to listen to reason, however. The idea that Jason Campbell is some great future QB is almost a religion to them, in fact, sometimes they seem to think he's a great QB already, which he obviously is not.

So, to be fair, I do add something to the conversation. That's a neat trick you've managed to pull there by the way. Unrelenting negativity is somehow a sign of objectivity while a stance like mine (which, for the record, is -- and has been -- JC has done enough to earn a shot at proving he can be a successful starter in this league) is somehow evidence of a slavish devotion to whatever the team does. Solid logic there.

JC has had more than a fair shot already. We should throw away another season on this guy? We've already had the worst two beatings I've ever seen with him at QB. I would think that to anyone who has watched football for any length of time, JC is clearly slow and fumble-prone. How many more games do we have to lose for him to 'get his fair shot'? In my mind, if you are outplayed, you get sat down. Collins is clearly the better QB at this point and gives us the best chance to win on any given Sunday. To me, anyone who can't see that is in deep denial.

And to me, anyone who agrees with your post has a total (and somewhat baffling) inability to see things in context. Do you honestly think Zorn is starting Campbell because he's infatuated with him? Do you honestly think the team would purposefully choose to NOT start the QB who gives them the best chance to win?

And by the way, I am not 'unrelentingly negative' on Campbell. I have said a number of times that the kid has potential but that leaving him in Sunday after Sunday when he's playing poorly is counterproductive both for him and the team's chances. Collins is better at this point and JC should be given a chance to step back and learn.

old-timer wrote:In my mind, if you are outplayed, you get sat down. Collins is clearly the better QB at this point and gives us the best chance to win on any given Sunday. To me, anyone who can't see that is in deep denial.

So, if I understand you correctly Collins should have been named starter for the start of camp this year.

Because he outplayed JC lastyear?


"If you are outplayed, you get sat down" Right?

Well, by that logic, JC has outplayed Collins this year in pre-season. So, that would mean by your logic, to sit Collins and play JC.

What's the problem again?

BnGhog wrote:

old-timer wrote:In my mind, if you are outplayed, you get sat down. Collins is clearly the better QB at this point and gives us the best chance to win on any given Sunday. To me, anyone who can't see that is in deep denial.

So, if I understand you correctly Collins should have been named starter for the start of camp this year. Because he outplayed JC lastyear?

I think the competition should have been open.

"Well, by that logic, JC has outplayed Collins this year in pre-season. So, that would mean by your logic, to sit Collins and play JC.

Well, if JC had outplayed Collins in an open competition, yes. But it wasn't open.

KazooSkinsFan wrote: If the job were on the line of the hysterical, over reacting, reality deprived JC bashers who actually think Colt is remotely ready for the real NFL where he's not playing guys TRYING to make the team as BACKUPS and BACKUPS TO BACKUPS in games that don't count or that Collins is more then a decent backup and we should dump JC now and turn to them then they probably wouldn't spend their time bashing him without a real alternative. It's easy to say JC sucks, it's hard to solve the problem.

Yes....apparently it is hard to solve the problem....but it's impossible to solve the problem if you aren't willing to make changes. Every player on this team has to earn their starting jobs, and re-earn and maintain a high level of play to keep it.....exception: Jason Campbell. Change his name to Mark Brunell, and everyone would be stringing up rope, and calling for his head.

I'll tell you what my friend....if Campbell hadn't been injured last year, Collins wouldn't have played, and a sub 500 season and no playoffs would have been the result. Does that make Collins the answer? No. But it clearly shows that Campbell WAS THE PROBLEM!!!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I haven't seen ANYONE say JC is a certain thing or that we should stick with him forever. Just we've invested a lot in him, it takes time to groom an NFL QB, and we have NO BETTER OPTIONS!!!!

BULL !!! I remember last year. I remember how Collins success was attributed to anything and everything except Collins ability. I remember after the season how we shouldn't even resign him as a backup, much less consider making the QB position an open competition.....in other words, no matter what...Campbell was the anointed one, no argument, and no debate. He's the starter until he breaks a leg.

But if not forever, when? This is his 4th year. After 20 games as the undisputed starter, his career QB rating is a paltry 77.3. His MORE THAN IMPRESSIVE pre-season QB rating is 58.7 When does Campbell lose the rookie label? Next year? 2010 maybe? And where in these numbers does it suggest that he's just inches away from breaking loose? His problems in 2008 are the same as they have been all along. Is it so much to expect a QB of even average talent to make adjustments to the high and overthrown balls sometime? How many years should it take?

KazooSkinsFan wrote: Colt is unlikely to ever be a starter much less a good one and Collins is no more then a stop gap. Going with JC is a roll of the dice, but it's turning to our backups that's tossing the season out the window.

This is what kills me. WHY? Why is Colt unlikely to EVER be a starter? He came into camp, gets reps with inferior talent, and is the only one of the three that seem capable of COMPLETING A PASS BEYOND 10 YARDS. And bull to this business about the opposition being non-starters. He was being supported by non-starters too. And I don't care if it's Ronald McDonald running routs, he threw some fine, fine balls, and made things happen out there. So this is what automatically makes him unworthy of consideration? That makes sense to you?

Colt is likely to be starting by week 12 this year, when the brilliant minds running the show decide that 2-9 is too deep a hole for the great Jason Campbell to dig us out of.

This is what kills me. WHY? Why is Colt unlikely to EVER be a starter? He came into camp, gets reps with inferior talent, and is the only one of the three that seem capable of COMPLETING A PASS BEYOND 10 YARDS. And bull to this business about the opposition being non-starters. He was being supported by non-starters too. And I don't care if it's Ronald McDonald running routs, he threw some fine, fine balls, and made things happen out there. So this is what automatically makes him unworthy of consideration? That makes sense to you?

I agree with the sentiment here. Colt is the one that got the most accomplished. Considering he was 3rd string playing vs 3rd string, he was on level playing ground. Every hurdle he's been given he's cleared. There's nothing to disprove that he has the potential to be successful in the NFL.


non-pro style offense in college - among peers, he stood out with 31, count 'em, 31 records. Pass happy offense wtf ever. 31 records in ANYTHING is a plus on a risk assessment.

played 3rd string in pre-season - successful in the 'group' that he's currently competed against. If you're kid is in the 1st grade and getting As&Bs, do you leave him there or step him up? I don't think you leave him there. he should be given even more credit based on the fact that he missed OTAs with rehab.

Please, someone showed me where he performed SUBPAR to the other QBs and show me why he's not worth the air he breathes as has been insinuated.

I'm not saying he's the next jesus christ in football pads, but, come on, he's earned the right to be respected for what he's done so far.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

This is what kills me. WHY? Why is Colt unlikely to EVER be a starter? He came into camp, gets reps with inferior talent, and is the only one of the three that seem capable of COMPLETING A PASS BEYOND 10 YARDS. And bull to this business about the opposition being non-starters. He was being supported by non-starters too. And I don't care if it's Ronald McDonald running routs, he threw some fine, fine balls, and made things happen out there. So this is what automatically makes him unworthy of consideration? That makes sense to you?

I agree with the sentiment here. Colt is the one that got the most accomplished. Considering he was 3rd string playing vs 3rd string, he was on level playing ground. Every hurdle he's been given he's cleared. There's nothing to disprove that he has the potential to be successful in the NFL.


non-pro style offense in college - among peers, he stood out with 31, count 'em, 31 records. Pass happy offense wtf ever. 31 records in ANYTHING is a plus on a risk assessment.

played 3rd string in pre-season - successful in the 'group' that he's currently competed against. If you're kid is in the 1st grade and getting As&Bs, do you leave him there or step him up? I don't think you leave him there. he should be given even more credit based on the fact that he missed OTAs with rehab.

Please, someone showed me where he performed SUBPAR to the other QBs and show me why he's not worth the air he breathes as has been insinuated.

I'm not saying he's the next jesus christ in football pads, but, come on, he's earned the right to be respected for what he's done so far.

Good points Vet. I'd even forgotten about his injury keeping him out of minicamp & OTA's. His mechanics are questionable, but some very good QB's have had questionable mechanics, Billy Kilmer comes to mind. From what I have observed so far, he is a leader, the most important qualitym in a QB. For now, I still think we stay with Campbell, but if he doesn't step up, next year is a different story.

I also like tha the doesn't get rattled after being sacked or hit(so far). Poise and confidence!!

Fios wrote:Do you honestly think Zorn is starting Campbell because he's infatuated with him

Well, I did see Zorn holding JC's hand and stare gazingly into his eyes. I think that was Zorn and JC. It might have been a magazine ad now that I think about it. I'll check it out and get back to you...

RayNAustin wrote:But if not forever, when? This is his 4th year. After 20 games as the undisputed starter, his career QB rating is a paltry 77.3.

77.3 isn't awful, but it's not great, either. That's a higher QB rating than Eli Manning has ever had for a year, and far above Eli Manning's career rating (73.4). Eli had a rating of 73.9 this year. Should they have benched him? I mean, Eli is not a great QB, but he was the Superbowl MVP, and he's at least played more than 20 games.

20 games is really not enough time imho to evaluate a QB and definitively say he's not good enough. By the end of this year, we'll have enough info to make that call.

If he has another year this year like last year, then I bet the Skins will start the QB carosel again. I don't think you will be any happier when that happens.

FYI 77.3 is about the QB rating of Brett Favre in his first two seasons (78.4 rating, and that's with having played 31 games). Good thing Green Bay didn't give up on him then, eh?

Colt is likely to be starting by week 12 this year, when the brilliant minds running the show decide that 2-9 is too deep a hole for the great Jason Campbell to dig us out of.

Quoted for posterity.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I agree with the sentiment here. Colt is the one that got the most accomplished. Considering he was 3rd string playing vs 3rd string, he was on level playing ground.

Not really. For example, in the Colts game, he threw some passes that ended up being completions, but would have been picked off by better players...the ones you find playing 1st string.

And while he has 31 passing records, the NFL is littered with players from record-setting scheme offenses who couldn't transition to the NFL: David Carr, Andre Ware, David Klingler, Tommy Chang, any QB who went to Texas Tech.

He also set all of those records against really crappy opponents...Hawaii plays no one. They played Georgia in their Bowl game last season, and he got smoked (yes, I know he was probably playing injured). Otherwise, it's cupcake city.

Not saying he won't end up being good, however, there's a reason why he lasted until the 6th round, and it wasn't his knee.

As for preseason performance, I'm sure we both can recall far too many 3rd string QBs who would come in, light up a 3rd string defense in a meaningless preseason game, and then never pan out.

Let me say it again: preseason performance doesn't tell you a lot. Didn't Danny Wuerffle show us that?

RayNAustin wrote:And bull to this business about the opposition being non-starters. He was being supported by non-starters too.

So by this logic, a bunch of high school quarterbacks should start over Colt. I'm totally with you that this is a make or break year for JC. But your contention that it doesn't take several years to groom an NFL QB to play against real competion, not the competition wanna be Cold did, means JC sucks and Colt's ready to play with real players in real games is just naive to the nth degree.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:And bull to this business about the opposition being non-starters. He was being supported by non-starters too

If you're kid is in the 1st grade and getting As&Bs, do you leave him there or step him up?

Step up, to second grade, not college. Ray is arguing he be considered to start and rejecting he's not because he was playing WITH third stringers while playing against them. That means he did well, I agree. I'm not interested in cutting him. But consider him to start? NOT.

My comment he'll probably never be an NFL starter was just based on the odds of where he was drafted, his size, that sort of thing. The odds ARE against him. Whether he makes it or not is how he does, I hope it's well. But even considering starting him in a game this year is just ludicrus.

At the end of this season, I´ll evaluate Campbell.

Until then, he has blank check to to whatever he has to do to win games. I don´t care if its a 5 int slop fest against Detroit. If he manages to win the game, it´s fine with me.